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Juxtapose the sales data recently reported here http://pressroom.toyota.com/Releases/Viewplain?id=TYT2007070389166 by toyota for these four vehicles - and the just 'published' MSN carried CR article here titled ' Top 10 Vehicles for Familly Travel' here http://autos.msn.com/advice/CRArt.aspx?contentid=4024867&topart=passenger.

Sales data reads as follows
june07,june06,%CHANGE /ytd07,ytd06,%CHANGE


#7) Lexus RX350 With a spacious and quiet interior as plush as those found in some luxury cars, this well-rounded SUV is very refined and comfortable. The V6 engine is smooth, and all-wheel drive combined with standard electronic stability control make it a good choice for winter driving. Reliability is very good.



RX350/400h 9,349 9,651 -6.7% / 49,241 53,282 -8.8%



#8)Toyota Avalon. Quality materials, lots of interior room, and even a reclining backseat (in some trim levels) make for a limo-like interior. Very quiet and comfortable, and with a smooth and quick V6 engine, Toyota's biggest sedan is a good value with excellent reliability and crash-test results.

AVALON 5,661 6,608 -17.5% / 37,522 45,036 -17.8%


#9)Toyota Highlander Limited. Built on the same platform as the upscale Lexus RX, this more-affordable midsized SUV has many of the same virtues. It is quiet and refined, with good fit and finish. The Highlander has earned excellent reliability ratings. Unlike the RX, the Highlander has a third seat, although it is only big enough for children.

HIGHLANDER 11,253 10,436 3.8% / 64,749 61,357 4.2%


#10)Toyota Sienna XLE. Toyota's minivan offers seating for up to eight, and like the Odyssey, it has a third seat that folds into the floor. While not as agile as the Odyssey, it is quieter, with a comfortable ride and impressive crash-test and reliability ratings. All-wheel drive is available, which you can't get with the Honda .

SIENNA 12,780 13,381 -8.0% / 73,349 80,785 -10.4%

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The Highlander Limited within its own group (Highlander) is off projected target the most .Same in terms of RX350 within RX350-RX400h group - at least for June.

Given how the rest of the 'media' sees it .... esp Highlander and relevant competition ...... breathtaking performance by CR .
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I'll take it even up ; wanna bet TOYOTA CONTRIBUTES the most in undisclosed 'research' payments ?


MEMO TO GM,FORD, CHRYSLER ,HYUNDAI, et al,

WHILE YOU DO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THESE PEOPLE GO GET WITH CONSUMER GUIDE , WHO ALTHOUGH NOT PERFECT WILL AT LEAST GIVE YOU A MORE FAIR REPRESENTATION RELATIVE TO TOYOTA .
THEY ALSO REPRESENT THE OTHER SIDE OF TOYOTA BETTER AS WELL .
 
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I personally never looked at their reviews, thats why i get road and track, car and driver, and a whole long list of others, the only thing i look for is their reliability numbers, and you can't deny toyota seems to do well there..
 
I'll take CU's findings over those other car and motor rags any day of the week. Some of the latter are just complete whores. The only people CU cares about keeping happy are their subscribers.

CU doesn't take money from any manufacturer, and were willing to go to war with Suzuki over their findings - and win.

No, CU is not perfect. Nor are they perfectly objective. And their road tests are not filled with exciting hyperbole and seventy-five sexy road shots like the big commercial rags. They cater to the middle of the market. But they are more objective and thorough than anyone else.

So if CU is saying good things about somebody's product, it means all the more.
 
Related although somewhat off topic - did you catch how toyota 'played' everybody concerning their recently reported USA June07 and YTD sales % ?

Just when you think you've seen it all ......

So it goes like this .

On the second and third of July (07) the world starts getting individual OEM sales data and by the 3rd , the media starts reporting their initial articles comparing June07 vs June06 , YTD and how everybody did in the USA .
Most focus on how GM ,Ford,and Chrysler did vs the Asian Imports . I have about thirty mainstream publications with articles sourced from REUTERS and of course , the AP - hugely overstating toyotas'%s - all attributed directly to toyota and the information they provided on Tuesday(2July07).

Well , of course , these errors are not corrected by toyota until late 3July07 (Wednesday - catch the timing) - and notice , no acknowledgement of the errors - its as if it didn't happen - and as of mid AM today , July 6th , none of the publications have pointed out the errors or corrected their articles .

As to be expected , the articles themselves are neccessarily misleading because of toyotas' initial faulty information .
Its just an opinion but I THINK what they don't want recognized is how they are slowing vs Honda , Nissan and many of the Europeans makes .

Thanks to Gilitar we can illustrate this misinformation using CNN . From the other thread this link
http://money.cnn.com/2007/07/03/news/companies/ford_chrysler.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes

GM sales plummet 21%
Big Three automakers continue to lose ground to imports as all U.S. car makers report lower sales, and most overseas automakers post strong gains.
July 3 2007: 3:40 PM EDT


DETROIT (Reuters) -- The big three American automakers all reported declines for June, as they continued to lose ground to import brands ......


" - Toyota, which has overtaken GM as the world's largest automaker, said Tuesday that its U.S. sales rose 10.2 percent (should read 6.1%) in June, selling 245,739 vehicles in the United States for the month. The results include both Toyota and Lexus brands.( And Scion .)


" - The Japanese automaker said car sales rose 9 percent,(should read 5.0%) driven by big increases in sales of its Camry sedan and the Prius hybrid vehicle. Truck sales rose 11.9 (should read 7.8%) percent, boosted by a big increase in sales of the new Tundra pickup.




( Keep in mind many led with toyotas (incorrect) result in the headline .)
 
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- How do we know this is incorrect ? Easy , toyota did eventually correct their information in two Press releases - heres' one that shows in detail how they have weakened in some key product lines .

http://pressroom.toyota.com/Releases/Viewid=TYT2007070389166



Toyota Reports June, Second-Quarter and First-Half Sales

07/03/2007 Torrance, CA

Revised: 07/03/2007

July 3, 2007 – Torrance, CA - Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), U.S.A., Inc., today reported all-time best-ever first-half year sales of 1,331,074. June sales of 245,739, an increase of 6.1 percent over last June, contributed to a record-setting second quarter, with sales of 725,219 units.

"Tundra really hit its stride this month, posting a record sales pace," said Jim Lentz, TMS executive vice president. "In a short five months the new truck's earned its stripes with both loyal Toyota owners and those new to the brand."

The Toyota Division posted best-ever June sales of 216,870, up 6.9 percent over last June. The Lexus Division reported best-ever June sales of 28,869 units, an increase of 0.4 percent.

Toyota Division
Toyota Division passenger cars recorded best-ever June sales of 128,239, an increase of 4.9 percent over last June. Passenger car sales were led by Camry, which posted best-ever June sales of 46,630, up 8.4 percent over the same period last year. Camry Hybrid reported sales of 5,530 units in June. The Prius hybrid gas-electric mid-size sedan posted best-ever June sales of 17,756, an increase of 76.3 percent over June 2006. The Yaris subcompact reported an increase of 28 percent, posting best-ever June sales of 9,155 units. Corolla reported June sales of 36,499 units.

Toyota Division light truck sales were up 10 percent, with a best-ever June total of 88,631 units. Light truck sales were led by the all-new Tundra full-size pickup with all-time best-ever sales of 21,727, an increase of 137.2 percent over the year-ago month. The RAV4 compact sport utility vehicle (SUV) reported best-ever June sales of 14,677, up seven percent over the same period last year. Highlander and Highlander Hybrid posted combined June sales of 11,253, up 3.8 percent over the same period last year. The Highlander Hybrid gas-electric mid-size SUV reported sales of 2,403 units for the month.

Scion posted June sales of 12,536 units. The tC sports coupe led the way with June sales of 6,509 units. The xB urban utility vehicle posted sales of 5,257 units for the month.

Lexus Division
Lexus passenger cars reported best-ever June sales of 17,457 units, an increase of 6.1 percent over June 2006. Passenger car sales were led by the ES 350 luxury sedan with June sales of 7,232 units. The all-new LS 460 and LS 460 L reported combined sales of 2,631, an increase of 149.9 percent over last June. Combined sales of the IS 250 and IS 350 posted best-ever June sales of 5,182 units, up 11.9 percent over the year-ago month.

Lexus Division light trucks reported June sales totaling 11,412 units. The RX 350 and RX 400h enjoyed combined June sales of 9,349 units. The RX 400h hybrid luxury utility vehicle reported sales of 1,562 units for the month, up 26 percent over last June.

TMS Hybrids
TMS first-half hybrid sales totaled 146,536 units, an increase of 69 percent over the same period last year. In June, TMS posted sales of 27,382 hybrid vehicles, up 46 percent over last June. Toyota Division posted sales of 25,689 hybrids, up 48 percent over the same period last year. Lexus Division posted sales of 1,693 hybrids, an increase of 15 percent over last June.

There were 27 selling days this month, as compared to 26 selling days last month .
 
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Heres' part of the raw data .


TOYOTA RETAIL SALES
(INCLUDES FLEET & HAWAII)
June, 2007

----- CURRENT MONTH -- -- CALENDAR YEAR TO DATE --
DSR % DSR %
2007 2006 CHG 2007 2006 CHG

YARIS 9,155 6,888 28.0 / 46,522 22,685 102.4

COROLLA 36,499 37,311 -5.8 / 202,221 197,303 1.2

CAMRY 46,630 41,427 8.4 / 240,530 218,517 8.6

AVALON 5,661 6,608 -17.5 / 37,522 45,036 -17.8

PRIUS 17,756 9,696 76.3 / 94,503 48,156 93.7


SCION xA 770 2,411 -69.2 / 8,866 16,832 -48.0

SCION xB 5,257 5,964 -15.1 / 18,588 31,375 -41.5

SCION tC 6,509 7,462 -16.0 / 33,550 37,533 -11.8

TOTAL TOYOTA DIV.
PASS. CAR 128,239 117,769 4.9 / 682,306 617,464 9.1


ES 350 7,232 7,645 -8.9 / 40,398 32,589 22.4

LS 460 2,631 1,014 149.9 / 17,572 6,716 158.2

SC 430 391 531 -29.1 / 2,096 3,087 -33.0

GS 350 1,880 1,771 2.2 / 10,099 11,349 -12.2

GS 430/450h 141 420 -67.7 / 1,069 2,144 -50.8

IS 250/350 5,182 4,461 11.9 / 27,676 26,946 1.4

TOTAL LEXUS
PASS. CAR 17,457 15,842 6.1 / 98,910 82,831 17.9


TOTAL TOYOTA
PASS. CAR 145,696 133,611 5.0 / 781,216 700,295 10.1


SIENNA 12,780 13,381 -8.0 / 73,349 80,785 -10.4

RAV4 14,677 13,204 7.0 / 87,124 75,015 14.6

FJ CRUISER 4,483 6,366 -32.2 / 29,754 21,469 36.8

4RUNNER 6,256 8,647 -30.3 / 44,194 54,866 -20.5

HIGHLANDER 11,253 10,436 3.8 / 64,749 61,357 4.2

LAND CRUISER 167 228 -29.5 / 1,245 1,625 -24.4

SEQUOIA 1,953 2,484 -24.3 / 12,849 16,898 -24.9

TOTAL SUV 38,789 41,365 -9.7 / 239,915 231,230 2.4


4X2 TACOMA 9,212 8,508 4.3 / 54,780 51,414 5.2

4X4 TACOMA 6,123 5,487 7.5 / 37,682 34,450 8.0

TOTAL TACOMA 15,335 13,995 5.5 / 92,462 85,864 6.3

TUNDRA 21,727 8,822 137.2 / 82,840 57,458 42.3

TOTAL PICKUP 37,062 22,817 56.4 / 175,302 143,322 20.7

TOTAL TOYOTA DIV.
LT TRUCK 88,631 77,563 10.0 / 488,566 455,337 5.9


LX 470 215 406 -49.0 / 1,545 2,869 -46.8

GX 470 1,848 1,787 -0.4 / 10,506 11,759 -11.8

RX 350/400h 9,349 9,651 -6.7 / 49,241 53,282 -8.8

TOTAL LEXUS
LIGHT TRUCK 11,412 11,844 -7.2 / 61,292 67,910 -10.9


TOTAL TOYOTA
LIGHT TRUCK 100,043 89,407 7.8 / 549,858 523,247 3.7

TOTAL TOYOTA
DIV. 216,870 195,332 6.91, / 170,8721,072,801 7.7

TOTAL LEXUS 28,869 27,686 0.4 / 160,202 150,741 4.9


TOTAL TOYOTA 245,739 223,018 6.11, / 331,0741,223,542 7.4








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Notice amongst many , many, other things the original 10.2% becomes 6.1% - which means the original number was overstated by 67.21% .
 
I hate CR. I bought a new 2002 Subaru Impreza RS based on their high scores for reliability. That car had so many serious problems, that Subaru did not want to address, that I traded it in after less than 2 years. The problems mine had were quite common, yet CR reliability scores for it remained very high.
 
Subaru wouldn't take care of warranty problems & you hate CR for it & not Subaru? There is a disconnect in the logic there or maybe there is more to your post.
 
I follow his logic perfectly.

CR is apparently wrong about the reliability of that car, whether or not Subaru addressed the problems has nothing to do with CR being apparently wrong about it's reliability.
 
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I hate CR. I bought a new 2002 Subaru Impreza RS based on their high scores for reliability. That car had so many serious problems, that Subaru did not want to address, that I traded it in after less than 2 years. The problems mine had were quite common, yet CR reliability scores for it remained very high.

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I just checked CU's scores for that vehicle. They didn't rate it all that great for '02, and even less so for the preceding MYs. Several black dots were indicated in expensive mechanical areas for that MY frame.
 
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