Clattering (from AC?) - what would you do? Bad compressor?

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Recently the Camry has started making a fairly loud "knocking" / "clattering" noise only in the following situation:
  • A/C on
  • In gear (may be a bit worse in reverse, but bad in any gear)
  • Stopped
It is smooth and quiet as always if the A/C is off, in all situations, and when in neutral/park with the A/C on. A/C performance is unchanged.

After I noticed it (at red lights, in drive throughs, or waiting to pull away from a parking space when in gear), I took it to a couple of shops.

The first shop said the motor mounts were bad (3 of the 4, all but the transmission mount, and gave a $1200 bid for those). I then replaced the (cheap and easily accessible) torque mount on top of the engine and took it to get a second opinion. I told the second mechanic what the first shop quoted, and asked him to check that diagnosis and replace any bad mounts.

He said that the three lower mounts were fine, but could be replaced if I wanted to improve vibration etc. and that the tensioner was my issue. He replaced that and the belt. The noise persisted, as soon as when leaving that shop. (There aren't any noticeably loose parts, heat shields, etc.)

After that unsatisfying fix, enter the "use a tool as a stethoscope to amplify noises" trick. (I wish I'd thought of that sooner.)

This points to the A/C compressor. It's hard to distinguish where the noise/vibration is coming from, but the compressor seems to be the culprit (touching the engine block leads to a small bit of vibration, as do the water pump/alternator), but the compressor seems to be making the most vibration/noise, by far.

Would you take it back in, with the direction that the compressor seems to be making the most noise/try and get another look? And if so, would you preemptively replace the compressor? I don't want to be cheap and cause further damage (potentially wiping out the condenser and other parts, if the compressor grenades), nor do I want to be stranded if it wipes out the belt when I'm driving.

I would replace the compressor if it gave out tomorrow, as I want to keep A/C, and am aiming to keep the car a good while longer. But I don't want to fire the parts cannon to the tune of over a thousand bucks if that isn't it. A/C work is not something I'd attempt to DIY, and the compressor (~$700 parts cost) seems to have a non-serviceable clutch/pulley assembly.

Any thoughts on this?
 
Is the noise from the compressor or from the compressor clutch? You might be able to get away with replacing just the clutch assy for much cheaper instead of the whole compressor. It’ll likely have to be a DIY since most shops want to just replace the whole compressor.

I’m having the same issue on my Corolla - the clutch clatters/sometimes won’t engage on 95F+ days after it’s heat soaked by the engine. Runs fine consistently and somewhat quietly at temps below that.

The clutch assy (for your ‘12 Camry I assume) is available on flea bay and other 3rd party sites - same as on my Corolla.
 
How old is the car and how many miles on it?
2012 with 205k.

Only fixes have been rear shocks and a wheel bearing, so doesn't owe me anything financially/there's nothing else evident that it needs (not beyond the point of no return as a clunker etc.)
 
It doesn't make sense to me that the compressor would care of the car is in gear. Do the rpms drop when the car is in gear?
 
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It doesn't make sense to me that the compressor would care of the car is in gear. Do the rpms drop when the car is in gear?
I just went out and checked. The RPMs stay quite consistent whether in gear or not, at idle. They are slightly higher with the A/C on.
Agreed that it doesn't make sense.
 
Recently the Camry has started making a fairly loud "knocking" / "clattering" noise only in the following situation:
  • A/C on
  • In gear (may be a bit worse in reverse, but bad in any gear)
  • Stopped
It is smooth and quiet as always if the A/C is off, in all situations, and when in neutral/park with the A/C on. A/C performance is unchanged.

After I noticed it (at red lights, in drive throughs, or waiting to pull away from a parking space when in gear), I took it to a couple of shops.

The first shop said the motor mounts were bad (3 of the 4, all but the transmission mount, and gave a $1200 bid for those). I then replaced the (cheap and easily accessible) torque mount on top of the engine and took it to get a second opinion. I told the second mechanic what the first shop quoted, and asked him to check that diagnosis and replace any bad mounts.

He said that the three lower mounts were fine, but could be replaced if I wanted to improve vibration etc. and that the tensioner was my issue. He replaced that and the belt. The noise persisted, as soon as when leaving that shop. (There aren't any noticeably loose parts, heat shields, etc.)

After that unsatisfying fix, enter the "use a tool as a stethoscope to amplify noises" trick. (I wish I'd thought of that sooner.)

This points to the A/C compressor. It's hard to distinguish where the noise/vibration is coming from, but the compressor seems to be the culprit (touching the engine block leads to a small bit of vibration, as do the water pump/alternator), but the compressor seems to be making the most vibration/noise, by far.

Would you take it back in, with the direction that the compressor seems to be making the most noise/try and get another look? And if so, would you preemptively replace the compressor? I don't want to be cheap and cause further damage (potentially wiping out the condenser and other parts, if the compressor grenades), nor do I want to be stranded if it wipes out the belt when I'm driving.

I would replace the compressor if it gave out tomorrow, as I want to keep A/C, and am aiming to keep the car a good while longer. But I don't want to fire the parts cannon to the tune of over a thousand bucks if that isn't it. A/C work is not something I'd attempt to DIY, and the compressor (~$700 parts cost) seems to have a non-serviceable clutch/pulley assembly.

Any thoughts on this?
First thing is to charge up the freon. Mine was making a racket because it was low on freon. Got quiet again after adding some.
 
First thing is to charge up the freon. Mine was making a racket because it was low on freon. Got quiet again after adding some.
I'm cautiously optimistic - I think you nailed this.

I added part of a small can of pure R134a yesterday. The A/C is blowing colder than it ever has in my 7.5 years of owning it, and from what I can tell the rattle seems to be gone! (I got the SuperTech refrigerant without the leak sealer or other additives.)

I'll keep this thread updated if that changes.
 
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