Chinese front-end parts

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Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
I know it's not proper to generalize...But Chinese parts generally suck!



Right on and there's nothing wrong with saying that. Just watch out for that guy who gets all fired up over saying "[censored]" (Japan with the an taking off)
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PC can kiss my [censored] when it comes to the safety of fellow Americans and even those Canadian boys too.
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Agreed.
 
Originally Posted By: chromatin
But you should avoid those on the first place, right? BTW, I never see any aftermarket part without a brand. An example, please? The ones I used at least had a brand called valueCRAP.



Well, the listing in the computer may show a brand, but it isn't one that they care enough about promoting to print on the box....
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Yes, they should be avoided. Even if they claim "OEM Quality" ..
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Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
I know it's not proper to generalize...But Chinese parts generally suck!


Sorry to say just like the computor you're typing on. Or the TV you watch, or the shoes you're wearing, or some of the tools in you're tool box, this can go on forever.


Not my tools(Snap-On), Not my shoes(Red Wing) and not my TV(Pioneer Japan parts-US assembly)....But I understand your point. It is difficult to avoid buying chinese at some point.


I suppose your wife wears Red Wing work boots also? And not ALL Snap-On are totally made here in the U.S., many of the tool mfg. are having their products roughed out overseas then finished and plated here. Just enough to be able to call it "Made in the U.S.A.".
 
Well, now I see more and more stuffs in Wallyworld are in fact made in India, vietnam, etc, and maybe even Cuba in the near future. Soon you will find out that India is the new China and you will have a lot more targets, :-).
 
I installed Autozone upper and lower ball joint on my pathfinder exactly a year ago, and all the rubber boots are cracked open..I don't even off road...Now I got the oriellys/Kragen BJ on their, I'll see how long they'll last...
 
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
I know it's not proper to generalize...But Chinese parts generally suck!



Right on and there's nothing wrong with saying that. Just watch out for that guy who gets all fired up over saying "[censored]" (Japan with the an taking off)
lol.gif


PC can kiss my [censored] when it comes to the safety of fellow Americans and even those Canadian boys too.
thumbsup2.gif



Agreed.


I don't shout objections to Japan-built front end parts. In my experience, the factory pieces that end up on most Hondas, Toyotas, and Subarus are the toughest out there.

And about specifications... I have seen many TRW chassis parts that were the same junk tie rod ends from China as the other brands, and TRW is supposed to be a major American company that builds chassis parts.
 
Originally Posted By: chromatin
But you should avoid those on the first place, right? BTW, I never see any aftermarket part without a brand. An example, please? The ones I used at least had a brand called valueCRAP.

Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: swalve
It's not so much that the Chinese only make cheap parts. It just happens to be the place where labor is cheapest and cheap parts CAN be made. Rest assured, they can make good stuff if the manufacturers spec for it.


That's a valid point. But the problem is the Chinese made aftermarket parts that are made by a Chinese company. These are the cheap parts not meeting spec.

Parts made by major manufacturers in China and being made to a spec is different and usually ok. In other words a BRAND name will be the same good spec but the NO-NAME white box part is junk.


You've never seen a box w/o a brand name? I have, but you're right sometimes the box will say Valuecraft or some other offname. My son has a Chinese ATV and I still can't find out who made the darn thing. No name on it, no name or contact info in the owners manual - nothing. And guess what - it came in a white crate w/o markings.
 
Advance auto sells an amazing brand called "OE". Nope, not the Original Equipment folks. Pun on words.

One TRE came missing its zerk, another its cotter pin. I got an "OE" lower control arm (with BJ) off ebay that needed substantial realignment; TRW brand LCAs line right up, at 2x the price.

Like the OP's dealer I get the stuff to get beaters through a safety inspection. Even the worst stuff comes with greasable zerks, an improvement over stock. Does better/ more grease cover for potentially chintzier metal? Good question. Still have 62k and 6 years on my oldest off brand TRE that's doing great.

I do believe that in the USA PI attorneys will swoop in to sue the deep pockets (parts america) if a part is so awful it's unsafe. Naturally this makes the buying public the guinea pigs... but we do it for the automakers, drug makers, etc...
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I have a few friends told me that in the last couple of years, all of a sudden there are high demands of quality engineers from overseas, Taiwan, and Hong Kong to be sent to China to fix the quality issues, because they were used to making low quality stuff, that they can't make high quality all of a sudden.

Most of the foreign manufactures have quality control in place, but you can't test for everything and things do slip once in a while. The rest of the world has a head start, China was behind in technology for decades, and it takes them time to pick up.

I won't buy parts that need major labor from China, but not so critical stuff are fine.
 
Tell me just how china is able to make the digital cameras, even some on the high end stuff if they are unable to do quality control?
 
No, logically speaking, what you said doesn't make sense (we are talking about car here not cameras). China can send human to outer space and satellite to moon too but still can't make decent cars.

But your point is well taken, blaming China is pointless. If you want to enjoy the low prices, you have to suffer some quality issues, at least sometimes. Unless the product of question has a Chinese brand, it's the brand not China should be blamed and very often that's a US brand. If you want to label a product with your brand, you have to stand behind it. You can't just make huge profit, without taking any responsibility.


Originally Posted By: jcwit
Tell me just how china is able to make the digital cameras, even some on the high end stuff if they are unable to do quality control?
 
Was only bring up cameras noting they hace the ability to make quality.

The thing that burns me is the huge difference in pricing in somewhat like items. Using a hammer as an example. Plumb 16 oz. hammer around $20.00 today. Harbor freight hammer 16 oz. $3/4 dollars. Both put the same nail into the 2 x 4.
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Tell me just how china is able to make the digital cameras, even some on the high end stuff if they are unable to do quality control?


They buy pre-qualified components from suppliers from another country?

Just like a lot of electronics are made in China, but the critical components are still made in nations like US, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Europe, etc.

BTW, most of the R&D for digital camera, including the manufacturing processes, are in either Japan, US, or Taiwan.
 
Originally Posted By: chromatin
No, logically speaking, what you said doesn't make sense (we are talking about car here not cameras). China can send human to outer space and satellite to moon too but still can't make decent cars.

But your point is well taken, blaming China is pointless. If you want to enjoy the low prices, you have to suffer some quality issues, at least sometimes. Unless the product of question has a Chinese brand, it's the brand not China should be blamed and very often that's a US brand. If you want to label a product with your brand, you have to stand behind it. You can't just make huge profit, without taking any responsibility.



Very true, the brand is responsible for the gate keeping and if they can't do it at the last level, they need to gate the quality at an earlier step, and usually every step of the way in a process.

Sending a couple guy to outer space require a different skill set than making 10 billion items with minimal defects and a huge profit under a steep learning curve. Japanese are not the best in developing the latest technology or R&D like the US or Germany, but they are second to none (and I do mean none) in the world in ramp up of high quality high volume manufacturing process in a very short time.
 
Not trying to start a political dicussion here
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, but how many of you know the official name of Taiwan is "Republic of China" and the official map of RoC (still in use in TW technically speaking) include both parts. I am just amazed that the US media can make almost every American thinks Taiwan has no relationship with China. Granted, I hate the Chinese gov's attitute towards ROC, or Taiwan, if you want to call it that way.


Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Tell me just how china is able to make the digital cameras, even some on the high end stuff if they are unable to do quality control?


They buy pre-qualified components from suppliers from another country?

Just like a lot of electronics are made in China, but the critical components are still made in nations like US, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Europe, etc.

BTW, most of the R&D for digital camera, including the manufacturing processes, are in either Japan, US, or Taiwan.
 
R&D could be done on the moon, however they were and are made in China, even the owners manual sayes, "Printed in China". So yes they do have the ability to make quality merchandise. Seems like some of the GM engines are also made in china, and we all know that GM is top quality.
 
White box parts do exist. They sell em' at the independent auto parts stores for CHEAP. No label other than the name of the part and maybe a part number. No brand name, no address, nothing. Then when it falls apart, there's no one to sue!

I wouldn't trust using generic critical suspension components. Brake rotors OK, control arms NO.

China can make the good stuff when needed. I've been noticing a few OEM (Honda)parts sourced from China and Mexico these days, whereas it used to be all Japan and USA. Surprisingly, Acura OEM rotors are made in the USA, but the question is - with US steel or foreign?
 
Originally Posted By: chromatin
Not trying to start a political dicussion here
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, but how many of you know the official name of Taiwan is "Republic of China" and the official map of RoC (still in use in TW technically speaking) include both parts. I am just amazed that the US media can make almost every American thinks Taiwan has no relationship with China. Granted, I hate the Chinese gov's attitute towards ROC, or Taiwan, if you want to call it that way.


I know, because my wife is from Taiwan (Republic of China) and I was born in China (People's Republic of China).
 
Originally Posted By: AcuraTech
Surprisingly, Acura OEM rotors are made in the USA, but the question is - with US steel or foreign?


Neither, it is cast iron.
 
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