I dont like other people working on my vehicle. There is a shop I do trust that I will take it to if need be. I enjoy taking care of my truck and I like the self satisfaction of doing something myself.
Changing my own oil stopped making sense
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Originally Posted By: mpvue
Originally Posted By: Donald
They over tighten the drain plug, do not replace the drain plug gasket, sometimes leave on old filter gasket, ruined the air mass sensor in my Volvo trying to rip off the air filter cover and hose to try and sell me a new air filter, then use bulk oil and [censored] filters, always pushing sale of more than the oil change and I am told some of the really bad places refill the Mobil 1 oil containers with bulk oil when no one is watching.
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it's not just financial, it's knowing what's being put in your car. on my mazda, there are so many stories of shops screwing up the bolts holding the plastic shield on! if they can't do THAT right, how do I know they won't strip the drain bolt or cross thread the filter?
this is mainly about the quick lube places. I DO have a regular mechanics shop that I trust to do my changes on occasion, mainly in the cold weather.
Same here, I love being under the "hood" but I'm not going to change oil in freezing or wet weather any more. I've been changing my own oil for over 40 years. My 2 vehicles get changed in the fall by me because they only go about 5,000 miles a year. My wife's Explorer travels much more, about 20,000 miles a year. So far she has had the dealer and a trusted mechanic change her oil. For the local mechanic I supply the oil and filter, synthetic oil and Mobil 1 filter, longer OCI's . The dealer used Motorcraft oil & filter at ~5,000 mile OCI's but also used supplied synthtec & filter for longer OCI's. Sad to say my body is aging and sometimes I have my mechanic change the oil. Getting old s*cks!
Whimsey
Originally Posted By: Donald
They over tighten the drain plug, do not replace the drain plug gasket, sometimes leave on old filter gasket, ruined the air mass sensor in my Volvo trying to rip off the air filter cover and hose to try and sell me a new air filter, then use bulk oil and [censored] filters, always pushing sale of more than the oil change and I am told some of the really bad places refill the Mobil 1 oil containers with bulk oil when no one is watching.
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it's not just financial, it's knowing what's being put in your car. on my mazda, there are so many stories of shops screwing up the bolts holding the plastic shield on! if they can't do THAT right, how do I know they won't strip the drain bolt or cross thread the filter?
this is mainly about the quick lube places. I DO have a regular mechanics shop that I trust to do my changes on occasion, mainly in the cold weather.
Same here, I love being under the "hood" but I'm not going to change oil in freezing or wet weather any more. I've been changing my own oil for over 40 years. My 2 vehicles get changed in the fall by me because they only go about 5,000 miles a year. My wife's Explorer travels much more, about 20,000 miles a year. So far she has had the dealer and a trusted mechanic change her oil. For the local mechanic I supply the oil and filter, synthetic oil and Mobil 1 filter, longer OCI's . The dealer used Motorcraft oil & filter at ~5,000 mile OCI's but also used supplied synthtec & filter for longer OCI's. Sad to say my body is aging and sometimes I have my mechanic change the oil. Getting old s*cks!
Whimsey
Originally Posted By: renegade_987
Ummmm, what was the point of making this account? I wouldn't trust Aamco to put air in my tires. I enjoy chaining my own oil anyways. Oh and Welcome, I guess.
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Ummmm, what was the point of making this account? I wouldn't trust Aamco to put air in my tires. I enjoy chaining my own oil anyways. Oh and Welcome, I guess.
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I wouldn't let AAmco near anything I own, especially the local guy. $19 for the oil change and the hard upsell to follow, no thanks. Many people go there needing a simple fix on a transmission and are sold the Brooklyn Bridge, I'll pass. As far as them doing an oil change right, that's a joke too. If I want something done right I'll do it.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I wouldn't let AAmco near anything I own, especially the local guy. $19 for the oil change and the hard upsell to follow, no thanks. Many people go there needing a simple fix on a transmission and are sold the Brooklyn Bridge, I'll pass. As far as them doing an oil change right, that's a joke too. If I want something done right I'll do it.
Exactly. My experiences with Aamco have NOT been very good.
I had the dealer change the oil when my vehicles were new, just so in case there were any problems, the oil changes were documented and they couldn't try to say I did something wrong.
But now that all my vehicles are past the warranty period, I do it myself. Personally I don't see how driving somewhere and waiting to have your oil changed saves you any time. I'm old and slow, but I can be finished with an oil change on any of my vehicles within 20 minutes (clean up included) - 25 tops if I stop to talk to a neighbor!
And as was posted by someone else - a piece of cardboard or an old blanket on the ground and a pair of gloves, and I don't get dirty at all.
As for buying the oil - I buy enough at Wallymart when I'm there for at least 2 oil changes. So it takes maybe an extra 2 minutes to actually buy the oil.
This is the biggie - (like so many here have said) at least I know it was done right, and also gives me a chance to inspect the underside of the vehicle - suspension, tires, etc.
The o/p math may work with conventional oil, but try asking for synthetic oil and see how much difference there is in price vs. doing it yourself.
I respect his opinion and if going to Aamco or quickie lube place works for him that's great but it's not for me.
I wouldn't let AAmco near anything I own, especially the local guy. $19 for the oil change and the hard upsell to follow, no thanks. Many people go there needing a simple fix on a transmission and are sold the Brooklyn Bridge, I'll pass. As far as them doing an oil change right, that's a joke too. If I want something done right I'll do it.
Exactly. My experiences with Aamco have NOT been very good.
I had the dealer change the oil when my vehicles were new, just so in case there were any problems, the oil changes were documented and they couldn't try to say I did something wrong.
But now that all my vehicles are past the warranty period, I do it myself. Personally I don't see how driving somewhere and waiting to have your oil changed saves you any time. I'm old and slow, but I can be finished with an oil change on any of my vehicles within 20 minutes (clean up included) - 25 tops if I stop to talk to a neighbor!
As for buying the oil - I buy enough at Wallymart when I'm there for at least 2 oil changes. So it takes maybe an extra 2 minutes to actually buy the oil.
This is the biggie - (like so many here have said) at least I know it was done right, and also gives me a chance to inspect the underside of the vehicle - suspension, tires, etc.
The o/p math may work with conventional oil, but try asking for synthetic oil and see how much difference there is in price vs. doing it yourself.
I respect his opinion and if going to Aamco or quickie lube place works for him that's great but it's not for me.
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I use a trusted mechanic to change mine. I provide the parts and he installs them.
Besides when changing the oil it is good value IMO if an experienced eye goes over the vehicle to pick any items that may require attention.
Come on we help the economy and employment. We waste more money on coffees, takeaway food, movies etc.
If don't trust them operator stay behind and watch them perform the work.
As my vehicle is 16 years old I also do it for insurance purposes to demonstrate that it was professionally maintained.
Besides when changing the oil it is good value IMO if an experienced eye goes over the vehicle to pick any items that may require attention.
Come on we help the economy and employment. We waste more money on coffees, takeaway food, movies etc.
If don't trust them operator stay behind and watch them perform the work.
As my vehicle is 16 years old I also do it for insurance purposes to demonstrate that it was professionally maintained.
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Originally Posted By: sasilverbullet
Main reason I change all my fluids on my cars is not to save money or time - it's to make sure it gets done right.
Same here. Plus, I actually enjoy doing it. There is something therapeutic about it.
Main reason I change all my fluids on my cars is not to save money or time - it's to make sure it gets done right.
Same here. Plus, I actually enjoy doing it. There is something therapeutic about it.
If you hate working on the car, it doesn't make sense to do it yourself. I like changing oil, and it gives me time under there to check things out.
Financially, if you have a shop you trust, and are OK with bulk dino and "shop grade" filters which probably won't be pre-filled before start-up (if you care), you can actually save money having it done--many times you can, anyway.
If you are bringing in your own store-bought stuff, then just add the labor, and the time in the waiting room instead of under the car. Not saving money then, of course.
I'd rather be home working on the car than in any waiting room.
Financially, if you have a shop you trust, and are OK with bulk dino and "shop grade" filters which probably won't be pre-filled before start-up (if you care), you can actually save money having it done--many times you can, anyway.
If you are bringing in your own store-bought stuff, then just add the labor, and the time in the waiting room instead of under the car. Not saving money then, of course.
I'd rather be home working on the car than in any waiting room.
Once I found a trustworthy shop, I stopped doing my own oil changes. When he puts the car on the lift, I am there personally to inspect the underside and to keep an eye on the work performed. Once the car is outside, I still peek underneath to make sure there are no leaks.
For me, I consider $30 for the oil change very fair given that I want that shop to be there for long term.
If he starts telling me to wait in the waiting room, I will no longer be patronizing that shop.
It is all about building a working relationship with a shop. I did not hesitate to have them do the timing belt and water pump (big bucks) on my van. Conversely, when I get coupons for cheap oil change in the mail from other places, I throw them away.
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For me, I consider $30 for the oil change very fair given that I want that shop to be there for long term.
If he starts telling me to wait in the waiting room, I will no longer be patronizing that shop.
It is all about building a working relationship with a shop. I did not hesitate to have them do the timing belt and water pump (big bucks) on my van. Conversely, when I get coupons for cheap oil change in the mail from other places, I throw them away.
- Vikas
I don't understand how you spend 30-45 minutes changing the oil. It takes me 15 minutes at most for a car I have to jack up. 10 minutes for mine that I don't have to jack up. The only thing I wash is my hands, and my forearms for cars with annoying filter locations.
If you really wanted to save money you would pursue rebates. You definitely have the free time for it if you came to an oil forum to make a thread justifying having other people change the oil for you.
If you really wanted to save money you would pursue rebates. You definitely have the free time for it if you came to an oil forum to make a thread justifying having other people change the oil for you.
I'll probably be changing my own oil as long as my hands are strong enough to hold the wrench.
Speed, convenience & Value: That’s why I have the dealer do it at reasonable cost.
I am anal about my car maintenance and want it done right. Back in the "old days," I did most maintenance myself just to avoid the misery and long waits at the dealer. With today's high tech engines and tight engine compartments ....... and (at least here where I live now) where the dealer often charges less for parts than auto parts stores, it just makes no sense to spend hours trying to save a few bucks doing it yourself (if you can) or letting some drug addict at a Quick Lube shop do the work.
I only take my cars to authorized Toyota/Lexus dealers that charge reasonable prices and always watch them do the work. I will not allow oil into my car from bulk tanks … plastic bottles only. Some dealers let you watch, others won’t saying it’s for “insurance purposes” so I skip the ones that take it into the “forbidden” service bay that you cannot enter.
On August 31, I took my 09 Camry 3.5L V6 with (40 months old, 39,480 miles) to Bob Tyler Toyota and had them do EVERYTHING the car could possibly need including replacing a battery that tested out fine …… since the Florida heat destroys batteries with no warning. I watched them do all services which included:
Synthetic Mobil 1 Oil & Filter change (6 quarts SN rated 5W30 right out of the box) $62.05, rotate tires $14.95, Replace Air Filter $19.95 (no labor charge), Replace Wiper Blades $19.95 (no labor charge), replace cabin air filter $45.99 (clogged after 10K miles where I changed it myself), 7yr Toyota Battery $122.11 (of which $20 was labor). Tech went over car with fine tooth comb including measuring brake pad depth with calipers and tread depth of each tire at no charge. Add sales tax and shop charges of about $29 and total bill was $314.01. I could have saved $25 by doing the cabin filter myself but not worth the trouble.
Everything was done in about an hour. Extra driving time was nil since I get over that way anyway and it is located right off the Interstate exit. Since it was a Wednesday …… it was lady’s day so the gal I was with got a free manicure while I watched them do the service. You just can’t beat that. The battery was the same price as Advance Auto and the per quart price of the oil was a few cents cheaper than Advance. Copy of both pages of the receipt is posted on my Pablo0767 Photobucket account at
http://s586.photobucket.com/albums/ss303/Pablo0767/
I also run premium gas and add Techron fuel system cleaner after each oil change. My everyday mileage is 28-30 and highway is 33-36 mpg depending on speed.
I am anal about my car maintenance and want it done right. Back in the "old days," I did most maintenance myself just to avoid the misery and long waits at the dealer. With today's high tech engines and tight engine compartments ....... and (at least here where I live now) where the dealer often charges less for parts than auto parts stores, it just makes no sense to spend hours trying to save a few bucks doing it yourself (if you can) or letting some drug addict at a Quick Lube shop do the work.
I only take my cars to authorized Toyota/Lexus dealers that charge reasonable prices and always watch them do the work. I will not allow oil into my car from bulk tanks … plastic bottles only. Some dealers let you watch, others won’t saying it’s for “insurance purposes” so I skip the ones that take it into the “forbidden” service bay that you cannot enter.
On August 31, I took my 09 Camry 3.5L V6 with (40 months old, 39,480 miles) to Bob Tyler Toyota and had them do EVERYTHING the car could possibly need including replacing a battery that tested out fine …… since the Florida heat destroys batteries with no warning. I watched them do all services which included:
Synthetic Mobil 1 Oil & Filter change (6 quarts SN rated 5W30 right out of the box) $62.05, rotate tires $14.95, Replace Air Filter $19.95 (no labor charge), Replace Wiper Blades $19.95 (no labor charge), replace cabin air filter $45.99 (clogged after 10K miles where I changed it myself), 7yr Toyota Battery $122.11 (of which $20 was labor). Tech went over car with fine tooth comb including measuring brake pad depth with calipers and tread depth of each tire at no charge. Add sales tax and shop charges of about $29 and total bill was $314.01. I could have saved $25 by doing the cabin filter myself but not worth the trouble.
Everything was done in about an hour. Extra driving time was nil since I get over that way anyway and it is located right off the Interstate exit. Since it was a Wednesday …… it was lady’s day so the gal I was with got a free manicure while I watched them do the service. You just can’t beat that. The battery was the same price as Advance Auto and the per quart price of the oil was a few cents cheaper than Advance. Copy of both pages of the receipt is posted on my Pablo0767 Photobucket account at
http://s586.photobucket.com/albums/ss303/Pablo0767/
I also run premium gas and add Techron fuel system cleaner after each oil change. My everyday mileage is 28-30 and highway is 33-36 mpg depending on speed.
If you aren't mechanically inclined, then I can understand not changing your own oil. But, at least take it to a 'mom & pop' garage before you take it to a place like Jiffy Lube, or even the stealership. Especially if you know the mechanic. You know he won't jack you around and will be honest with you. Usually cheaper than a Quick Change outfit, too.
Originally Posted By: Paul3637
Speed, convenience & Value: That’s why I have the dealer do it at reasonable cost.
I am anal about my car maintenance and want it done right. Back in the "old days," I did most maintenance myself just to avoid the misery and long waits at the dealer. With today's high tech engines and tight engine compartments ....... and (at least here where I live now) where the dealer often charges less for parts than auto parts stores, it just makes no sense to spend hours trying to save a few bucks doing it yourself (if you can) or letting some drug addict at a Quick Lube shop do the work.
I only take my cars to authorized Toyota/Lexus dealers that charge reasonable prices and always watch them do the work. I will not allow oil into my car from bulk tanks … plastic bottles only. Some dealers let you watch, others won’t saying it’s for “insurance purposes” so I skip the ones that take it into the “forbidden” service bay that you cannot enter.
On August 31, I took my 09 Camry 3.5L V6 with (40 months old, 39,480 miles) to Bob Tyler Toyota and had them do EVERYTHING the car could possibly need including replacing a battery that tested out fine …… since the Florida heat destroys batteries with no warning. I watched them do all services which included:
Synthetic Mobil 1 Oil & Filter change (6 quarts SN rated 5W30 right out of the box) $62.05, rotate tires $14.95, Replace Air Filter $19.95 (no labor charge), Replace Wiper Blades $19.95 (no labor charge), replace cabin air filter $45.99 (clogged after 10K miles where I changed it myself), 7yr Toyota Battery $122.11 (of which $20 was labor). Tech went over car with fine tooth comb including measuring brake pad depth with calipers and tread depth of each tire at no charge. Add sales tax and shop charges of about $29 and total bill was $314.01. I could have saved $25 by doing the cabin filter myself but not worth the trouble.
Everything was done in about an hour. Extra driving time was nil since I get over that way anyway and it is located right off the Interstate exit. Since it was a Wednesday …… it was lady’s day so the gal I was with got a free manicure while I watched them do the service. You just can’t beat that. The battery was the same price as Advance Auto and the per quart price of the oil was a few cents cheaper than Advance. Copy of both pages of the receipt is posted on my Pablo0767 Photobucket account at
http://s586.photobucket.com/albums/ss303/Pablo0767/
I also run premium gas and add Techron fuel system cleaner after each oil change. My everyday mileage is 28-30 and highway is 33-36 mpg depending on speed.
I could have done this at home for less than 100 bucks. In 2 hours max. Easily. I guess it goes to show, some people have more dollars than sense.
Speed, convenience & Value: That’s why I have the dealer do it at reasonable cost.
I am anal about my car maintenance and want it done right. Back in the "old days," I did most maintenance myself just to avoid the misery and long waits at the dealer. With today's high tech engines and tight engine compartments ....... and (at least here where I live now) where the dealer often charges less for parts than auto parts stores, it just makes no sense to spend hours trying to save a few bucks doing it yourself (if you can) or letting some drug addict at a Quick Lube shop do the work.
I only take my cars to authorized Toyota/Lexus dealers that charge reasonable prices and always watch them do the work. I will not allow oil into my car from bulk tanks … plastic bottles only. Some dealers let you watch, others won’t saying it’s for “insurance purposes” so I skip the ones that take it into the “forbidden” service bay that you cannot enter.
On August 31, I took my 09 Camry 3.5L V6 with (40 months old, 39,480 miles) to Bob Tyler Toyota and had them do EVERYTHING the car could possibly need including replacing a battery that tested out fine …… since the Florida heat destroys batteries with no warning. I watched them do all services which included:
Synthetic Mobil 1 Oil & Filter change (6 quarts SN rated 5W30 right out of the box) $62.05, rotate tires $14.95, Replace Air Filter $19.95 (no labor charge), Replace Wiper Blades $19.95 (no labor charge), replace cabin air filter $45.99 (clogged after 10K miles where I changed it myself), 7yr Toyota Battery $122.11 (of which $20 was labor). Tech went over car with fine tooth comb including measuring brake pad depth with calipers and tread depth of each tire at no charge. Add sales tax and shop charges of about $29 and total bill was $314.01. I could have saved $25 by doing the cabin filter myself but not worth the trouble.
Everything was done in about an hour. Extra driving time was nil since I get over that way anyway and it is located right off the Interstate exit. Since it was a Wednesday …… it was lady’s day so the gal I was with got a free manicure while I watched them do the service. You just can’t beat that. The battery was the same price as Advance Auto and the per quart price of the oil was a few cents cheaper than Advance. Copy of both pages of the receipt is posted on my Pablo0767 Photobucket account at
http://s586.photobucket.com/albums/ss303/Pablo0767/
I also run premium gas and add Techron fuel system cleaner after each oil change. My everyday mileage is 28-30 and highway is 33-36 mpg depending on speed.
I could have done this at home for less than 100 bucks. In 2 hours max. Easily. I guess it goes to show, some people have more dollars than sense.
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When I change my oil I know:
exactly what oil went into the car, what the old oil looked like,
that the correct oil filter was used - tightened per the instructions,
the drain plug was torqued to factory specs with a torque wrench that is treated with respect,
the exact amount of oil was put in to hit the full mark perfectly and that everything was checked for leaks prior to closing her up.
Also when the tires get rotated they are cleaned completely up prior to being torqued down in their new place. Air pressure is checked as are all other fluids.
You see it's my CAR I'm working on, not someone working on somebody else's car. Big difference.
No greasy hand prints, oil or grease in the interior.
Happy.
exactly what oil went into the car, what the old oil looked like,
that the correct oil filter was used - tightened per the instructions,
the drain plug was torqued to factory specs with a torque wrench that is treated with respect,
the exact amount of oil was put in to hit the full mark perfectly and that everything was checked for leaks prior to closing her up.
Also when the tires get rotated they are cleaned completely up prior to being torqued down in their new place. Air pressure is checked as are all other fluids.
You see it's my CAR I'm working on, not someone working on somebody else's car. Big difference.
No greasy hand prints, oil or grease in the interior.
Happy.
Since I only use synthetic oil and OEM filters in my cars, I cannot get it any cheaper than I can do it for. I get 6 qts of Kendall full syn. oil for appx. $ 23 and a Delco cartridge filter for $5 or a Motorcraft spin on for $4. A few more than you pay but I get to check out what's going on "under there" and I have much better oil and filters in case I run a little over on a change. I still do my OCI's as if I'm using dino so I have wiggle room.
Originally Posted By: johnyK
With the prices of oil having gone up so much in recent years, I just don't see how it's still making any financial sense to change oil by myself anymore.
I don't particularly enjoy working on my car, but I've been changing my oil for the last four years because each time it would save me 15-20 dollars at the minimum. Now with oil prices going up and me becoming older and lazier I just don't see any sense in continuing.
If I do even the cheapest oil change with Walmart's SuperTech dino oil ( Five quarts for $11.94) and their SuperTech oil filter ($2.84) it will cost me around 16 dollars including tax. Now local AAMCO will do the oil change for $19 including tax and disposal fee. So besides from comfort of knowing it was done right, what do I really gain from doing my own oil change? Three bucks? That's laughable. I would waste 30-45 minutes of my time messing around, getting dirty, cleaning up, having to do laundry and shower afterward, for a whole gain of three dollars and some spiritual comfort. No thanks, I'd rather spend my time doing more enjoyable things.
I can understand logic behind changing your oil from people who enjoy working on their cars, but for those of us who don't, it stopped making sense now.
Thanks for reading.
Like,anything. Pay your money and take your choice. I pay the dealer $17 to change my oil.
With the prices of oil having gone up so much in recent years, I just don't see how it's still making any financial sense to change oil by myself anymore.
I don't particularly enjoy working on my car, but I've been changing my oil for the last four years because each time it would save me 15-20 dollars at the minimum. Now with oil prices going up and me becoming older and lazier I just don't see any sense in continuing.
If I do even the cheapest oil change with Walmart's SuperTech dino oil ( Five quarts for $11.94) and their SuperTech oil filter ($2.84) it will cost me around 16 dollars including tax. Now local AAMCO will do the oil change for $19 including tax and disposal fee. So besides from comfort of knowing it was done right, what do I really gain from doing my own oil change? Three bucks? That's laughable. I would waste 30-45 minutes of my time messing around, getting dirty, cleaning up, having to do laundry and shower afterward, for a whole gain of three dollars and some spiritual comfort. No thanks, I'd rather spend my time doing more enjoyable things.
I can understand logic behind changing your oil from people who enjoy working on their cars, but for those of us who don't, it stopped making sense now.
Thanks for reading.
Like,anything. Pay your money and take your choice. I pay the dealer $17 to change my oil.
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When I was younger (and dumber) I was more eager and energetic to waste my time like that. Well, not anymore I don't. Life is too short to be hunting for deals to save pennies, and then waste more time actually working. It's much easier to just drop off your car and be out of there in 15 minutes like I did when I didn't have the garage. Very true when they say - Ignorance is a bliss )))
Now that I am older, wiser and retired. I don't mind getting the best deal on the oil and filters I can find. I have 3 cars in the immediate family. My extended family has 4 more cars. Everyone seems very happy when I do a full syn change with a name brand filter for them for around 25-30 bucks... It's one of my contributions to them. I wish I had someone to do that for me when I was working two jobs and raising kids... the last thing my wife and I needed to worry about was car maintenance. I do have a 2+ car garage, a HD hydraulic jack, jackstands, tools and a compressor too. Lucky I guess... Oops, lets not forget the radio and cooler
I get a kick from friends of mine who say they can't be bothered anymore, they just go to a jiffy lube and a car wash etc. Then they say they are bored in retirement. Well DUH... If you have everyone else doing for you... how can you not be bored?
When I was younger (and dumber) I was more eager and energetic to waste my time like that. Well, not anymore I don't. Life is too short to be hunting for deals to save pennies, and then waste more time actually working. It's much easier to just drop off your car and be out of there in 15 minutes like I did when I didn't have the garage. Very true when they say - Ignorance is a bliss )))
Now that I am older, wiser and retired. I don't mind getting the best deal on the oil and filters I can find. I have 3 cars in the immediate family. My extended family has 4 more cars. Everyone seems very happy when I do a full syn change with a name brand filter for them for around 25-30 bucks... It's one of my contributions to them. I wish I had someone to do that for me when I was working two jobs and raising kids... the last thing my wife and I needed to worry about was car maintenance. I do have a 2+ car garage, a HD hydraulic jack, jackstands, tools and a compressor too. Lucky I guess... Oops, lets not forget the radio and cooler
I get a kick from friends of mine who say they can't be bothered anymore, they just go to a jiffy lube and a car wash etc. Then they say they are bored in retirement. Well DUH... If you have everyone else doing for you... how can you not be bored?
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Getting old s*cks!
Whimsey
Whimsey my man, it sure beats the alternative!
Getting old s*cks!
Whimsey
Whimsey my man, it sure beats the alternative!
Paul3637,
Most of us here prefer to use a fuel system cleaner a few weeks before an OC, just in case some of it gets past the rings and into the oil.
Most of us here prefer to use a fuel system cleaner a few weeks before an OC, just in case some of it gets past the rings and into the oil.
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