How many of you guys change brands each OCI as an experiment ?
Change brands each OCI ?
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I usually do. If I find something I like I tend to run it a few changes. I think it was Clevy who said he thought the best way to maintain engine cleanliness was to swap brands every time. Something about the additive chemistry having to work harder to establish itself within the engine. Set me straight if I'm wrong Clevy, I don't mean to distort your words, but I think I remember you saying that.
Originally Posted By: Red91
I usually do. If I find something I like I tend to run it a few changes. I think it was Clevy who said he thought the best way to maintain engine cleanliness was to swap brands every time. Something about the additive chemistry having to work harder to establish itself within the engine. Set me straight if I'm wrong Clevy, I don't mean to distort your words, but I think I remember you saying that.
I remember clevy saying that about that truck engine. Changing brands helps to keep the engine free of sludge because the new additives wont latch on to the old additives or something like that and build up sludge.
I usually do. If I find something I like I tend to run it a few changes. I think it was Clevy who said he thought the best way to maintain engine cleanliness was to swap brands every time. Something about the additive chemistry having to work harder to establish itself within the engine. Set me straight if I'm wrong Clevy, I don't mean to distort your words, but I think I remember you saying that.
I remember clevy saying that about that truck engine. Changing brands helps to keep the engine free of sludge because the new additives wont latch on to the old additives or something like that and build up sludge.
I dont know if this theory has been proven, but it makes since. However, you would also be washing off all the anti-wear additives that laid down a nice protective barrier. I think If you find an oil you like, you should run it for a couple OCI's, that should give the oil some time to build up a protective layer.
Who cares?
I wish we could get back to more meaningful discussions here.
I wish we could get back to more meaningful discussions here.
Originally Posted By: Red91
I usually do. If I find something I like I tend to run it a few changes. I think it was Clevy who said he thought the best way to maintain engine cleanliness was to swap brands every time. Something about the additive chemistry having to work harder to establish itself within the engine. Set me straight if I'm wrong Clevy, I don't mean to distort your words, but I think I remember you saying that.
Yep. That's pretty much what I said. It's just a theory though.
However every engine I've got is spotless inside,so there might be something to the idea.
My thinking is that the different brands will clean up anything the last oil left behind so by switching brands each interval the new oil does its thing independently.
There is the idea that new oil strips the old oils anti-wear layer,so by switching brands there is the possibility of that event however I can't say with absolute certainty that sticking with the same oil every oil prevents that from happening as well.
What I can say with absolute certainty is that every vehicle I maintain has spotless innards when I look inside,so take that for what it's worth.
I usually do. If I find something I like I tend to run it a few changes. I think it was Clevy who said he thought the best way to maintain engine cleanliness was to swap brands every time. Something about the additive chemistry having to work harder to establish itself within the engine. Set me straight if I'm wrong Clevy, I don't mean to distort your words, but I think I remember you saying that.
Yep. That's pretty much what I said. It's just a theory though.
However every engine I've got is spotless inside,so there might be something to the idea.
My thinking is that the different brands will clean up anything the last oil left behind so by switching brands each interval the new oil does its thing independently.
There is the idea that new oil strips the old oils anti-wear layer,so by switching brands there is the possibility of that event however I can't say with absolute certainty that sticking with the same oil every oil prevents that from happening as well.
What I can say with absolute certainty is that every vehicle I maintain has spotless innards when I look inside,so take that for what it's worth.
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Who cares?
I wish we could get back to more meaningful discussions here.
Exactly, the thought of this never even crossed my mind until this thread. I just run whatever happened to be on sale/free when I got it. Slowly working through my stash.
Who cares?
I wish we could get back to more meaningful discussions here.
Exactly, the thought of this never even crossed my mind until this thread. I just run whatever happened to be on sale/free when I got it. Slowly working through my stash.
Originally Posted By: gregk24
I dont know if this theory has been proven, but it makes since. However, you would also be washing off all the anti-wear additives that laid down a nice protective barrier. I think If you find an oil you like, you should run it for a couple OCI's, that should give the oil some time to build up a protective layer.
I haven't seen any actual data that says using the same brand maintains the anti-wear layer or if any new oil strips the previous oils anti-wear off.
I know there are lots of schools of thought on the process,and that wear increases at the beginning of an interval and gradually decreases,as stated in some of the papers that have been posted here however I don't know enough to say that's the cause of the wear trend or if it's a combination of factors.
All I can say for certain is that in my experience from what I've seen with my own eyes is that I switch brands pretty much every interval and my engines are spotless,even if when I acquired/began maintaining the vehicle it may have not been.
I'm not a scientist,I'm a carpenter so I really don't have enough expertise to state for certain cause and effect,there are guys here though that likely can say for certain.
And I'm thru making blanket statements,since when I do I get proven wrong,which I am thankful for because I'm here to expand my knowledge,so all I will say with certainty is what I've seen with my own eyes.
The theory does make some sense,that each new brand introduced might clean up after the previous one,but so does the idea that using the same oil at each interval might maintain the anti-wear layer better at the front end of an interval.
So I guess it depends on each person and their experienced.
I dont know if this theory has been proven, but it makes since. However, you would also be washing off all the anti-wear additives that laid down a nice protective barrier. I think If you find an oil you like, you should run it for a couple OCI's, that should give the oil some time to build up a protective layer.
I haven't seen any actual data that says using the same brand maintains the anti-wear layer or if any new oil strips the previous oils anti-wear off.
I know there are lots of schools of thought on the process,and that wear increases at the beginning of an interval and gradually decreases,as stated in some of the papers that have been posted here however I don't know enough to say that's the cause of the wear trend or if it's a combination of factors.
All I can say for certain is that in my experience from what I've seen with my own eyes is that I switch brands pretty much every interval and my engines are spotless,even if when I acquired/began maintaining the vehicle it may have not been.
I'm not a scientist,I'm a carpenter so I really don't have enough expertise to state for certain cause and effect,there are guys here though that likely can say for certain.
And I'm thru making blanket statements,since when I do I get proven wrong,which I am thankful for because I'm here to expand my knowledge,so all I will say with certainty is what I've seen with my own eyes.
The theory does make some sense,that each new brand introduced might clean up after the previous one,but so does the idea that using the same oil at each interval might maintain the anti-wear layer better at the front end of an interval.
So I guess it depends on each person and their experienced.
What truly qualifies as a meaningful discussion? Through this thread it was learned that a well established member has a theory of how to keep engines clean. Now, it is a theory, but it was an interesting tidbit of information, or at least I thought it was.
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Who cares?
I wish we could get back to more meaningful discussions here.
This is a forum, where a huge variety of subjects are discussed. If you don't like the topic, don't click.
meaningless comments add nothing as well, so why perpetuate the "problem"?
Who cares?
I wish we could get back to more meaningful discussions here.
This is a forum, where a huge variety of subjects are discussed. If you don't like the topic, don't click.
meaningless comments add nothing as well, so why perpetuate the "problem"?
Originally Posted By: Red91
What truly qualifies as a meaningful discussion? Through this thread it was learned that a well established member has a theory of how to keep engines clean. Now, it is a theory, but it was an interesting tidbit of information, or at least I thought it was.
How can this be meaningful? How many have the ability to test this? The OP of this thread changes his oil every 2K because he's afraid of varnish.
It's absolutely ridiculous. Nevermind the fact that the PCMO section is the new Off Topic.
What truly qualifies as a meaningful discussion? Through this thread it was learned that a well established member has a theory of how to keep engines clean. Now, it is a theory, but it was an interesting tidbit of information, or at least I thought it was.
How can this be meaningful? How many have the ability to test this? The OP of this thread changes his oil every 2K because he's afraid of varnish.
It's absolutely ridiculous. Nevermind the fact that the PCMO section is the new Off Topic.
Originally Posted By: Subdued
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Who cares?
I wish we could get back to more meaningful discussions here.
This is a forum, where a huge variety of subjects are discussed. If you don't like the topic, don't click.
meaningless comments add nothing as well, so why perpetuate the "problem"?
Meaningless posts add nothing. Spend some time reading older posts that required a thing called thought and then you'll understand.
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Who cares?
I wish we could get back to more meaningful discussions here.
This is a forum, where a huge variety of subjects are discussed. If you don't like the topic, don't click.
meaningless comments add nothing as well, so why perpetuate the "problem"?
Meaningless posts add nothing. Spend some time reading older posts that required a thing called thought and then you'll understand.
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Originally Posted By: Red91
What truly qualifies as a meaningful discussion? Through this thread it was learned that a well established member has a theory of how to keep engines clean. Now, it is a theory, but it was an interesting tidbit of information, or at least I thought it was.
How can this be meaningful? How many have the ability to test this? The OP of this thread changes his oil every 2K because he's afraid of varnish.
It's absolutely ridiculous. Nevermind the fact that the PCMO section is the new Off Topic.
Ha 2000 miles.
Awesome.
I do agree that merkava has posted some interesting topics for discussion lately. But that's his choice to make. A person isn't forced to post on every topic so if the subject matter isn't interesting,or if a member "doesn't care" they don't actually have to post an opinion.
Just move on and find subject matter that is more appealing.
Or don't.
No one is forcing anyone to post.
I wonder if varnish qualifies as an anti-wear layer
Originally Posted By: Red91
What truly qualifies as a meaningful discussion? Through this thread it was learned that a well established member has a theory of how to keep engines clean. Now, it is a theory, but it was an interesting tidbit of information, or at least I thought it was.
How can this be meaningful? How many have the ability to test this? The OP of this thread changes his oil every 2K because he's afraid of varnish.
It's absolutely ridiculous. Nevermind the fact that the PCMO section is the new Off Topic.
Ha 2000 miles.
Awesome.
I do agree that merkava has posted some interesting topics for discussion lately. But that's his choice to make. A person isn't forced to post on every topic so if the subject matter isn't interesting,or if a member "doesn't care" they don't actually have to post an opinion.
Just move on and find subject matter that is more appealing.
Or don't.
No one is forcing anyone to post.
I wonder if varnish qualifies as an anti-wear layer
I wasn't talking about the OP, but Clevy. The test would actually be quite simple. If someone were to have two of the same cars, with the same engines, driven the same amount of miles with the same amount of or lack of discipline, and one was given nothing but one brand and grade of oil, the other a constant change, and the final part was a teardown. This would be the test. It could be done, and is probably being done by someone, somewhere, right at this moment. I respect your view of wanting these discussions to have a more profound impact, but part of a discussion forum is community. Sometimes people simply want to belong to something. In a community, questions of all sorts and of all levels of meaningfulness will be and should be asked.
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Originally Posted By: Subdued
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Who cares?
I wish we could get back to more meaningful discussions here.
This is a forum, where a huge variety of subjects are discussed. If you don't like the topic, don't click.
meaningless comments add nothing as well, so why perpetuate the "problem"?
Meaningless posts add nothing. Spend some time reading older posts that required a thing called thought and then you'll understand.
I've been reading this forum for years so drop your asinine "been here longer" arrogance.
Again, if you don't like the topic, don't read it. Or better yet, provide better content. This isn't rocket science.
Originally Posted By: Subdued
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Who cares?
I wish we could get back to more meaningful discussions here.
This is a forum, where a huge variety of subjects are discussed. If you don't like the topic, don't click.
meaningless comments add nothing as well, so why perpetuate the "problem"?
Meaningless posts add nothing. Spend some time reading older posts that required a thing called thought and then you'll understand.
I've been reading this forum for years so drop your asinine "been here longer" arrogance.
Again, if you don't like the topic, don't read it. Or better yet, provide better content. This isn't rocket science.
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I do not believe the "more wear" statement for the beginning of the interval. I believe it is just the new oil suspending particles from the last interval. My last two intervals were
JMO
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Originally Posted By: Red91
I wasn't talking about the OP, but Clevy. The test would actually be quite simple. If someone were to have two of the same cars, with the same engines, driven the same amount of miles with the same amount of or lack of discipline, and one was given nothing but one brand and grade of oil, the other a constant change, and the final part was a teardown. This would be the test. It could be done, and is probably being done by someone, somewhere, right at this moment. I respect your view of wanting these discussions to have a more profound impact, but part of a discussion forum is community. Sometimes people simply want to belong to something. In a community, questions of all sorts and of all levels of meaningfulness will be and should be asked.
I agree with ya. If I don't like the subject matter of any topic I just don't post. It bothers me none.
I do appreciate a conversation though. Different people sharing ideas is a good thing in my eyes and I try to learn new things every day,which is why I read most every thread and post,because someone is going to post something that makes me think,and re - think my position on some subjects which either confirms my thoughts,or opens my eyes to a different point of view.
Either way I'm thankful for the sharing of ideas.
Heck that tuttlevette drives me nuts however when he posts his thoughts they make me think, and for that I'm thankful because either way I'm learning something.
I wasn't talking about the OP, but Clevy. The test would actually be quite simple. If someone were to have two of the same cars, with the same engines, driven the same amount of miles with the same amount of or lack of discipline, and one was given nothing but one brand and grade of oil, the other a constant change, and the final part was a teardown. This would be the test. It could be done, and is probably being done by someone, somewhere, right at this moment. I respect your view of wanting these discussions to have a more profound impact, but part of a discussion forum is community. Sometimes people simply want to belong to something. In a community, questions of all sorts and of all levels of meaningfulness will be and should be asked.
I agree with ya. If I don't like the subject matter of any topic I just don't post. It bothers me none.
I do appreciate a conversation though. Different people sharing ideas is a good thing in my eyes and I try to learn new things every day,which is why I read most every thread and post,because someone is going to post something that makes me think,and re - think my position on some subjects which either confirms my thoughts,or opens my eyes to a different point of view.
Either way I'm thankful for the sharing of ideas.
Heck that tuttlevette drives me nuts however when he posts his thoughts they make me think, and for that I'm thankful because either way I'm learning something.
Originally Posted By: MrQuackers
I do not believe the "more wear" statement for the beginning of the interval. I believe it is just the new oil suspending particles from the last interval. My last two intervals were
JMO
Very good point. Which brings me back to whether it's the new oil cleaning up what the old left behind,and is it in the old deposits that the metals and so on are coming from?
I do not believe the "more wear" statement for the beginning of the interval. I believe it is just the new oil suspending particles from the last interval. My last two intervals were
JMO
Very good point. Which brings me back to whether it's the new oil cleaning up what the old left behind,and is it in the old deposits that the metals and so on are coming from?
That is truly what this is about. I have learned an overabundance of information since joining, all through the snarling, twisted pipeline everyone of these threads takes. I have also been on the ignorant side of a discussion and, upon rereading comments, began to rethink my status regarding some situations.
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