CHAMP PH2867XL C&P

[Lonzbera]

Off of a 2017 Mitsubishi Lancer 2.4 for 4,100~ miles / 6 months. Used with Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20. Same exact filter & oil went in.

(I’m on mobile hopefully attachments worked)

 

[Sayjac]

Looks excellent at 4100 miles. One thing I don't get, afaik XL supposed to be a premium filter, yet it has nitrile adbv. That said, at this oci/fci, not a factor. I do like the coo.

Thanks for c&p.

 

[DannyM]

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The Champ factory has , by far, the best QC for USA filters IMO.. but I would never pay what they are asking if they are putting a nitrile adbv which is NOT supposed to be there.

 

[Rogueman2016s]

Held up like a champ. is it definitely nitrile, doesn’t champ manufacture the delco ultragolds which use some other exotic material

 

[jhs914]

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The Champ factory has , by far, the best QC for USA filters IMO.. but I would never pay what they are asking if they are putting a nitrile adbv which is NOT supposed to be there.

I just checked the Champ XL filters I ordered from Rock Auto earlier this year and they all have a red silicone ADBV. IIRC during the supply chain crisis during the epidemic which can't be named several manufacturers substituted nitrile ADBV's for silicone as a temporary measure.

 

[bullwinkle]

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The Champ factory has , by far, the best QC for USA filters IMO.. but I would never pay what they are asking if they are putting a nitrile adbv which is NOT supposed to be there.

Now, now-we all know Champ/Fram/FB is the home of the black silicone ADBV! (Seriously, the AEM ones are supposed to be as good as silicone, I will test the one in my ACDelco Ultraguard UPF48R when I change it next)

 

[DannyM]

Now, now-we all know Champ/Fram/FB is the home of the black silicone ADBV! (Seriously, the AEM ones are supposed to be as good as silicone, I will test the one in my ACDelco Ultraguard UPF48R when I change it next)

That would be very cool to test.. just make sure and do it over 10k and maybe a year + miniumum .

Even so.. if one has to sit around wondering what it is.. why even purchase ?

 

[ZeeOSix]

That would be very cool to test.. just make sure and do it over 10k and maybe a year + miniumum .

Think his test will probably involve a match or lighter.

 

[bullwinkle]

Now, now-we all know Champ/Fram/FB is the home of the black silicone ADBV! (Seriously, the AEM ones are supposed to be as good as silicone, I will test the one in my ACDelco Ultraguard UPF48R when I change it next)

It's been a year already-the thirsty beast usually only gets driven when there's something to haul, or maybe once a month to keep the brakes from rusting!

 

[bullwinkle]

Think his test will probably involve a match or lighter.

Just looking for black smoke!

 

[kschachn]

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/adbv-burn-test-silicone-vs-nitrile-rubber.353004/

 

[Sayjac]

IDK if "AEM" is as good as silicone, or perhaps somewhat better than nitrile. I do know that silicone has been used on premium filters for a long time. It is superior to nitrile for longer service intervals, heat cold cycles and changes in temps. Also, afaik, of the Champ made filters, 'only' ACDelco (not topic XL) claim AEM being used. AEM is followed by the word "rubber" in ACDelco published literature. So conclusion, AEM or nitrile, it's rubber.

Perhaps here, supply chain issues were a factor. But, seen a couple XL with black, not silicone adbv. Still only one proven black silicone adbv, the black adbv used on Toyota Thai Denso OEM.

 

[DannyM]

Think his test will probably involve a match or lighter.

Haha.. Yeah I was thinking he was going to check for flexibility

 

[fantastic]

Looks good.

 

[Rogueman2016s]

**???**

 

[Rogueman2016s]

the black adbv used on Toyota Thai Denso OEM.

How about the green adbv in the Toyota filters?

 

[Sayjac]

^^^"How about the green adbv in the Toyota filters?" I can't recall seeing a burn test on it, but' I'd be willing to 'speculate; it too is silicone. While not scientific, the other than black adbvs are/have been silicone. However back to topic, as accurately noted, the Toyota Thai Denso OEM with black adbv currently remains unique when it comes to composition.

Otoh, the Denso First Time Fit (FTF) with China coo, have been burn test proven (several times) to be nitrile. That despite their website and box claim of silicone. That information remains from before FTF moved production to China, and they used orange/red color adbvs.