C&P Honda Factory Installed Filter

[JWC86]

Factory installed on a 2025 Honda Pilot J35Y8. 2450km (1500 miles) on the filter.

Typical US made Fram OCOD Econo filter.

It don’t think it comes through in the pictures but there is quite a bit of small metal particles in the pleats, to be expected on the break in spill I would think?

Glad to get it out of the sump.

In: Pentius PLXL7317, Valvoline R&P 0w20

 

[JWC86]

Few more shots of the metal in the media, it looks like more in person.

Also the oil was darker than I expected for 1500miles. Looked worse than my other OCIs of 5000miles on other cars.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Lots a lot of metal break-in debris ... way more than I've ever seen on any new vehicle I've had. If there's still lot on the 2nd OCI I'd be worried.

 

[ZeeOSix]

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The leaf spring look pretty ruffled ... even making it's way into OEM Honda filters. In the last photo, it doesn't look like there is any imprint of the leaf spring ruffled evident in the end cap, so the leaf spring is probably warped enough to where that area isn't sitting flat on the end cap. Almost all the force through the leaf spring is down through the ears and into the end cap below the ears. But if it sat flat, it should still show some evidence of an impression 90 degrees from the axis of the ears.

 

[dishdude]

That does look like a lot of metal and I'm shocked Honda is putting that junk filter on a factory engine.

 

[JWC86]

The leaf spring look pretty ruffled ... even making it's way into OEM Honda filters. In the last photo, it doesn't look like there is any imprint of the leaf spring ruffled evident in the end cap, so the leaf spring is probably warped enough to where that area isn't sitting flat on the end cap. Almost all the force through the leaf spring is down through the ears and into the end cap below the ears. But if it sat flat, it should still show some evidence of an impression 90 degrees from the axis of the ears.

I felt the same way, that’s why I included that pic of the imprint on the fiber end cap. It’s a crap filter compared to the made in Japan ones that used to come on Honda’s.

Yes I will be cutting up the next filter to look for metal as well. Hopefully it’s not anywhere near this much.

 

[Sequoiasoon]

Look at discussions on Filtermag to put on side of filter and see what that captures.

 

[Glenda W.]

Thanks for the c&p

 

[Nukeman7]

That does look like a lot of metal and I'm shocked Honda is putting that junk filter on a factory engine.

Is that now going to be called the Blue Can Of Death???

 

[rijndael]

Look at discussions on Filtermag to put on side of filter and see what that captures.

Before I went down this rabbit hole, I'd verify the metal bits are magnetic.

 

[Sequoiasoon]

Before I went down this rabbit hole, I'd verify the metal bits are magnetic.

Not a very deep or scary rabbit hole except initial cost. Easier and faster than installing a magnetic drain plug. Not too many choices like the other rabbit holes here of which oil between brands, models, viscosities, OCI's, VOA's, UOA's etc.

Pretty much a yes or no, buy once, cry once. The ones I had on previous cars were there for 13+ years and always had the outlines of grey paste stuff from magnets inside the can. I didn't have them on vehicle from new but after the first couple OCI's they got put on. Seeing all the filters from new motors here, my next new vehicle will have one ASAP if it is a can version and not a cartridge.

YMMV, life will go on, we might make rash decisions and get a new Hyundai/Kia or other brand trashing motors for odd reasons that no matter what we try won't help.

 

[rijndael]

Not a very deep or scary rabbit hole except initial cost. ... Not too many choices like the other rabbit holes here of which oil between brands, models, viscosities, OCI's, VOA's, UOA's etc.

Maybe.

Post 21 in that thread had a link to the benefits of adding a magnet and it's potential impact/benefit on oil oxidation. I wouldn't mind knowing more about the downsides. Is there only upside?

 

[Sequoiasoon]

Maybe.

Post 21 in that thread had a link to the benefits of adding a magnet and it's potential impact/benefit on oil oxidation. I wouldn't mind knowing more about the downsides. Is there only upside?

I didn't see or hear many downsides just like magnetic drain plugs. I also probably didn't search much for problems but also install magnetic drain plugs unless I installed a Valvomax or Fumoto. I'm going with method.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Post 21 in that thread had a link to the benefits of adding a magnet and it's potential impact/benefit on oil oxidation. I wouldn't mind knowing more about the downsides.

The only downside is disbelief.

 

[rijndael]

I'm just skeptical it's going to pick up anything noteworthy in an aluminum block and aluminum head engine. Not that other materials can't wear, like bearings/cam/crank/etc, but if those are leaving debris - the OP's gonna be glad he has a warranty.

 

[Fair enough]

Don’t the Japan filters have media like Swiss cheese? Good display on a factory filter catching debris.
Lack of imprint means the springs do bend or are bent in the area. Doesn’t have to have strong imprint to still have sealed.

 

[GI_GRIFF]

The leaf spring look pretty ruffled ... even making it's way into OEM Honda filters. In the last photo, it doesn't look like there is any imprint of the leaf spring ruffled evident in the end cap, so the leaf spring is probably warped enough to where that area isn't sitting flat on the end cap. Almost all the force through the leaf spring is down through the ears and into the end cap below the ears. But if it sat flat, it should still show some evidence of an impression 90 degrees from the axis of the ears.

As you already know, @ZeeOSix , Toyota has the same leaky leaf-spring, bypass valve problem, along with Fram and many others. I guess they count on that most people don't know, or care.

 

[ZeeOSix]

^^^ Yeah, I'd say 99.9% of people don't even know what the inside of an oil filter looks like, let alone all the many details and aspects discussed on this chat board about them. The manufactures know this, which allows them to do things like go from making nice smooth leaf springs to ones competing with the ruffles potato chips, along with the other kinds of sloppy and reduced manufacturing quality.

 

[Sayjac]

Typical Fram made A02 OEM. Not noted for being very efficient, Asian OEM filter norm. Looking at media, more anecdotal evidence doing early oil and filter changes on the factory fill best practice, imo. As for A02, nothing special imo. As an aside, oil filter location excellent on 3.5L isn't it? /s

Thanks for c&p.

 

[Wireman1987]

Factory installed on a 2025 Honda Pilot J35Y8. 2450km (1500 miles) on the filter.

Typical US made Fram OCOD Econo filter.

It don’t think it comes through in the pictures but there is quite a bit of small metal particles in the pleats, to be expected on the break in spill I would think?

Glad to get it out of the sump.

In: Pentius PLXL7317, Valvoline R&P 0w20

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How come you’re using restore and protect on a brand new engine? OE filter did its job maybe run another shorter oci with neodymium mags