Bypass Oil Filtration for Engine Longevity

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dnewton3 I think you make a solid point that by pass filters are not full flow filters. Ideally we would have full flow filters with 99% efficiency down to 3 microns. There is inevitably more wear due to not having this.

What I would like to understand better is exactly how much benefit a partial filtration down to 3 micron will do over simply regular OCIs. You contend its very little. Ive seen particulate counts on UOA showing the oil is in fact cleaner than when the fresh oil went into the engine at 5000klms so clearly having it be filtered around 5 times per hour does bring about measurable differences. I think having good data and studies on this question is very the heart of the matter.

I hope you can respect my search for reducing wear as far as possible - I acknlowedge your point about decent life out of well designed and maintained engines but shouldnt we desire to have more? Especially for people like me who intend to have the one truck for many moons to come. That said it would also be foolish to be roped into snake oils and things that are of no tangible value.
 
This is particle management. Much like shark nets aren't all encompassing ..just limiting the potential shark intrusions on Oz beaches. If all of a sudden there were some mass increase in shark intrusions, they would put up more nets.

What I'm struggling with here is that you only have to filter to a level where the particle propagation rate is matched by the filter capture rate to maintain the desired level.

Ideally, one would end up with soot levels reaching condemnation limits at the service point ..and all of them being
I'm still 100% convinced that there would be NO gain. Just none that would be economically viable in commercial use where everything is extended to its ultimate worth as a utility.
 
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I'm still 100% convinced that there would be NO gain. Just none that would be economically viable in commercial use where everything is extended to its ultimate worth as a utility.


I'm still "not" convinced ..(edit time). with a negative ROI you may move out of some standard deviation from MTBF rates ..but it will cost you.


This will always be a round robin debate when you factor economic practicalities. No matter what you achieve, it will have to exchange one cost for another with a product on the plus side of the $$$ column.
 
Both of you, again, make excellent points.

I've often thought of this topic on a "real world" versus "clinical world" evaluation.

We know that the fresh oil that goes in is not clinically clean; there is particulate matter in it. It's probably not that much, but it does exist. Certainly there's not much if any soot, as the oil is often some color (gold, red, purple, etc), so the opaque matter (soot/insolubles) is very low. But certainly there is particulate matter in there. I agree that fresh oil may be "fresh", but not "clean" (at least clinically).

The real answer (one that I cannot put my finger on for true numbers, but I suspect that it exists, conceptually) is how the contamination rate from equipment operation vies against the removal rate of the filtration system (be it full or bypass), and how is that rate manipulated by the oil additive package?

First, I believe that wear metals have some odd ability to change size, but it's a one way street. If a particle of Pb breaks free and it's small, it's likely not going to co-join and make a larger particle. But if one is large and breaks free, it could do one of two things; stay the same size, or break apart yet again. While possible, I don't see it being probable that two particles of the same metal would fuse. So small metals stay small, and large ones may or may not stay large, but none are likely to get bigger.

But insolubles, especially soot, have the nasty little habit of co-joining and growing. Very abrasize, this soot stuff, and with the tenacity of Velcro, it clings to itself and it's bretheren. The add-pack in oil helps keep this from happening. But only as long as it can do so with the availble chemicals. At some point, it's a stalemate, and past that point, it's loosing the battle to soot.

Which brings me full circle to my point in this debate. As long as the oil is "fresh" (admittedlly not purely clean), the add pack will assist in keeping stuff small enough to not cause any huge amount of harm. Certainly there is damage being done, but it's small in total context. Particles that come into being and are large at inception, will either stay large and be caught in the full flow, or become small and pose a lesser potential for damage.

Bypass filters are awesome in that they greatly extend the health of the oil. They can pull out stuff BEFORE it overwhelmes the add pack. The additives themselves cannot be stripped from the oil by the media, but the particulate can be. So the bypass filter rips, strips, shaves (choose your verb) the oil back to a relatively clean state.

Admittedly, UOAs are a partial view of lube oil health. The same can be said for particle counts. But I don't think we can overlook the simple eye-level evidence, either. We can see two guys that ran short OCIs for a million miles; kind of hard to ignore.

One thing to note about particle counts is that they are a measure of filter efficiency, but only in the context of ability, and not practice. I need to define that so it makes sense.

A particle count rating for a filter efficiency is stated in such a way that the output is gaged, because the input is a known, a given "polloution" level, if you will. The fluid used for filter tests is typically measured pre and post filter, multiple passes are made, and the capture ratio is calculated. But in an engine, the input contamination rate is not known. Also, the capture rate is not fixed; it's variable. Why variable? Because the occurence rate is not fixed in an engine. As we would likely all agree, because the particles of soot/insolubles start out sub-micron, and try like heck to grow faster than the oil can control them, the occurence rate of contamination for any given size of particle presented to the filter media is ever changing. In the lab, the "attack rate" of the fluid contaminants presented to the media is fixed; in the engine, it's forever changing. Filter efficiency, whether it be Beta, ISO or such, is only a rating of the filters potential ability when a known rate of contamination is presented. But when that rate is significantly dropped (load in new "fresh" oil with a healthy add-pack) the attack rate on the media is seriously diminished. And if the filter is being attacked less, well then the engine is also being attacked less.

I guess I could make an analogy here. If you are capable of hitting 100 home runs in a season, you'll only do that if I put it across the plate, and you happen to be there. If you're not up to bat, you miss that opportunity. If I walk you throwing 4 balls, you miss that opportunity. You only hit what does actually exist, in your zone, with you present; not what you "could" hit, but "did" hit. A bypass filter can only go to bat 10% of the time, and it only gets a fast ball down the center when the particle is too large for the oil to control. The bypass filter really can't take credit for what the oil is already controlling; it should only get credit when it does what the oil cannot. The bypass filter does help out, but it's help is very minimal during the early stages of the game; it really only shows significant effect AFTER the oil would have been overtaken.

That is why changing your oil is nearly as effective as super-filtering the oil, when the OCIs are kept short. If you peruse some recent diesel UOAs, and compare some of the dino HDEO results to those of Synthetic/Bypass, you won't see much if any difference in wear metals or insolubles for shorter OCIs. It's just plain simple; the oil isn't tired yet, and the nasty stuff isn't big enough yet, for the occurence rate to overwhelm the host and do damage.

Bypass filtration kicks in by KEEPING the oil clean. By doing this, the oil can continue to do it's job for a longer period; this in turn is a tool to save money by purchasing less oil. But even bypass filtration has it's limits. At some point, even with bypass filters and synthetic oils, a change is still emminent. Bypass systems greatly retard the rate of contamination occurence presented to the engine, but they do not eliminate it.

I have a Dmax truck. With great interest, I seek out all the UOAs I can find for this engine. Much more often than not, I can show you stellar UOA results, absolutely every bit as good, when comparing a quality dino HDEO with conventional filtration to those of PAO/Bypass filtered systems, WHEN THE OCI IS KEPT TO A REASONABLE LIMIT. With that in mind, it's easy to understand how frequent oil changes can produce wear rates as low as those compared to bypass systems.

And if that can be achieved, then what is the advantage to bypass? Less oil bought. A savings.
 
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Good argument!

Something to add is that metallic particles in the oil, particularly iron and copper, contribute to a more rapid oxidation of the oil and depletion of the additives used to fight it. The more of those you remove, the more slowly the additives are depleted.
 
Even if the iron and copper are filtered the particles are still bathed in the oil flow! Kinda like How can oil soaked tp absorb the water in the oil? It is always said, who can prove it? The whole thing is can you justify the cost and benefits of the bypass installation? "over the life of the vehicle" do we really need one or just think we do? If you put the miles on the vehicle yes they are good. But most don't, I am not for or against bypass filters .I am not against syn oils .But running syn and changing it out at 4,000 miles isn't what syn oil is all about. I have read posts on guys running syn oil ,trick oil filters and bypass filters and changing it all out at factory recommended intervals and thinking that it is super.
 
I have to respectfully disagree with several points made by dnewton3:

A bypass filter may only filter 10% of the oil, but it doesn't filter the same 10% every pass. Assuming you start with dirty oil (which you don't), 10% of the remaining particulates over 5 micron will be removed with each pass. Assuming a 6gpm flow rate (for sake of argument), over 99% of the oil will pass through the bypass filter in less than 5 minutes. When an occasional particle above 5 microns gets ingested through the air filter and gets in the oil, the statistical probability of this particle remaining in the oil for over 5 minutes is extremely low. And it will likely get removed before you turn your engine off and restart your engine, which is when it will do the most damage.

Metal wear particles likely cause little wear on an engine. For starters, much of the metal particles come from "corrosive wear", caused by oxidation and subsequent light abrasion. There is also some abrasion caused by contact with larger particles, but it is impossible for a 20 micron silicon particle will rip out a 20 micron chunk of iron or steel. I've torn down enough engines to know that the wear on the bearings, rings and cylinders is very gradual fine rubbing. Unless there is a catastrophic problem or high mileage, wear is very fine and barely measurable.

IMO, most of the wear particles that do the most damage are silicon, and are ingested through the air filter. There is a strong correlation between silicon levels and wear metal levels in the UOA section.

I am running 30K mile OCIs with a bypass filter and my UOAs are showing wear metal levels at or below universal average (which is around 4K miles). You can argue that the bypass filter is removing some of the wear particles, but I'm convinced that wear on my engine is far less than any engine with a conventional full-flow filter. So the true question is whether the rest of my car lasts long enough to realize the benefits of the bypass filter.

Another point: Just because one guy got 450K miles on an engine with a conventional setup and frequent OCIs doesn't mean that everyone would. I started burning oil in a '97 Corolla at 200k miles but sold it at 297k miles using conventional oil and OCIs. I'd be inclined to believe that if everyone had a bypass setup, the world would burn - and pollute - far less oil. And the average vehicle would last much longer. Keep in mind that the story doesn't end when you sell your vehicle - it ends when the engine is scrapped.
 
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A bypass filter may only filter 10% of the oil, but it doesn't filter the same 10% every pass. Assuming you start with dirty oil (which you don't), 10% of the remaining particulates over 5 micron will be removed with each pass. Assuming a 6gpm flow rate (for sake of argument), over 99% of the oil will pass through the bypass filter in less than 5 minutes. When an occasional particle above 5 microns gets ingested through the air filter and gets in the oil, the statistical probability of this particle remaining in the oil for over 5 minutes is extremely low. And it will likely get removed before you turn your engine off and restart your engine, which is when it will do the most damage.


While I too didn't really favor Dave's 10% analogy(ies) ..I'm not sure I'm in total agreement the way you're describing it either.

I look at it like doing a pan drop on trans that held 10 quarts with a sump of 1 ..but perpetually. That is, 10% of the already filtered oil would be part of the future pass(es) composite.

So let's see how long it takes to clean up a static sump (no new material) with 10% of the flow (purely for demonstration purposes). I say it would look like this.

90% un-bypass filtered oil
81% ditto
73%
65.5%
59%
53%
48%
43%
39%
35%
31%
28%
25%
23%
21%
19%
17%
15%
14%
12%
11%
10%
9%
8%
7%
6%+
6%-
5%
5%-
4%
..and so one

So, this "never to be removed, only reduced," residual, plus a like descending order on new filterable size material will setup some "free fall" of removed and retained particles. This should work out to a snap shot view that will always be above the filtering standard of the bypass filter.
 
Okay, I agree with your math. I was figuring this off the top of my head....

But even with your numbers, over 95% of the oil would get at least one pass in 30 minutes, assuming typical sump size and oil flow rates. That means that (roughly) every 30 minutes of operation, a bypass is removing 95% of the particles above (approx.)5 microns from the oil that were there 30 minutes earlier. Or.....if you started with 400 particles in that size range, only one would remain after an hour.
 
Well, that assumes zero added material. As Dave points out, material is added all the time. When the dispersants can't keep up ..the weed whackers take them out. One rough cut, one finish cut. That's why I look at is as a "free fall" or upwardly cascading event.

I'm sure that we're viewing a number of managed curves. The oil is going to fatigue in its job ..and the filters are going to approach saturation and eventually not be able to filter to the same standard. So, you set your condemnation levels at the preferred tolerance level. Any less and you're incurring too much down time. Any more and you're suffering damage.

Again, this is under sensible economics. Under irrational economics, let's say with a gasoline engine, you can probably figure that you're keeping under the (actually the SAE paper I saw an abstract of stated 10um - but let's go with 5um) that you are indeed reducing secondary wear causing particles (I think bigger chunks cause many smaller chunks) that fit through the window of normal full flow filtration.

Will it "pay" ..unlikely. You may never reach the end of life of that engine to find out. Lubrication is but one aspect of an engine's life. Even if every lubricated surface was devoid of any undissolved solids, the natural decay of (something like) timing chains, valve guides ..stuff that has a fatigue just due to the stress that it sees.

There's no problem with keeping a car for a virtual lifetime ..and treating it just like a commercial vehicle. There you will have "heavy maintenance" at some point. Under that disposition/attitude, you've "over buffered" the system to eliminate any level of lubricant cleanliness issues, but you can't stop just plain old age on some things.

I think I can explain myself better with using something like a well designed automatic as an example. There you may improve incidental stress on the unit with auxiliary cooling and filtration. The thing is, even with the enhancements, the basic wear involved in shifting can't be eliminated. You can't stop that from occurring. So, while you can surely shorten a transmission's life with any number of acts or acts of ommission, you can't trump the fundamental wear. We have a member who is a rural postal owner operator. He's got some incredible mileage on his jeep Cherokee's engine, but has been through 3 automatics. He's now trying to get above (I can't recall for sure) 90k without a rebuild since he's constantly shifting and never cruising.

In the past I was of the belief that all wear could be eliminated via cooling and sump size/volume/filtration level and temp control. I can't say that I feel that way anymore. We're at the point now where we're shaving peach fuzz in refinement and gain.
 
I agree that soot and silicon are the two most damaging issues in oil. The wear metals are much more the result of damage, rather than the cause of damage. In a UOA, we get to see not only the effects of wear (Al, Cu, Fe, Pb, etc) but the causes (soot/insoluble levels and silicon count).

Like I said, I can't put pure numbers to the equations I profess. Not that it cannot be done; with enough time, money and accumulated mileage, we could all study the effects of our individual beliefs. But I, for one, do not have unlimited time and money and resources, so I have to lean upon some conceptual logic, and some anecdotal evidence.

Why do most engines not get used past 250k miles? Probably because too many things take the engine out of service before it was actually no longer fit for service. Vehicle crashes, rust corrosion of the host vehicle body, lack of care/interest from the owner, etc. It's not that engines can't last past that mark, it's more due to the fact that circumstances preclude their use past that point.

UOA wear metal results show us the materials that we can draw assumptions from. Low wear-metal particle presence in a UOA means we can presume low wear. While possible that some huge chunk above 5um is floating around, that is indicative of some catastrophic event, and not "normal" wear. Further, big metal chunks are caught soon by the full flow filter.

And the sump maturity level driven down by Gary shows my point to a very good level. It takes nearly 30 passes through the bypass filter to remove the bulk of the contaminants. And that is assuming an untrue condition; that being there is no new contamination. In reality, new contamination is being added all the time. What we don't know for sure is: at what rate, and in what size.

That's why I addressed the issue of soot. Soot starts out sub-micron, and stays below 5um via the effects of the oil additive package. So, until the oil becomes overwhelmed, the BP filter is only assisting the oil's ability to do work, by lengthening its longevity.

The BP filter is not reducing wear, because filters don't affect metal, they affect oil. Only lubricants can reduce wear. It's a fundamental relationship that has to be understood for the simplistic "aha" moment it demands.
Q: Can any filter, no matter how efficient, make an engine wear less, or more, of it's own accord?
A: Absolutely not.
Think I'm wrong? Try running your engine with a super-premium bypass filter, WITH NO OIL IN THE ENGINE. That filter has ZERO effect on the engine. In fact, that could also be turned the other way and asked of the full flow filter as well. If you could complete the oil circuit, and remove the media from the full flow, with no bypass filter installed, would the engine grind to a halt immediately upon the loss of the media? Certainly not! The affect filters have is on the OIL. The lubricant is what reduces wear on any piece of equipment. Bypass filters cannot reduce wear in an engine; they can only prolong the ability of the lubricant to do its job. The effect of a filter on oil is a direct relationship. The effect of oil on the equipment is a direct relationship. But the effect of filters on equipment is an IN-direct relationship. It doesn't matter if you're talking full flow or bypass filters.

Think this sounds extreme? Consider to opposing thoughts.
Would you run an engine with oil, but no filter? (sure, lots of engines are done this way. Small air, and even some liquid, cooled engines use this type system).
Would you run an engine with a great filter, but no oil? (Ummm, nope. Can't think of one engine design I know of that would sustain this for very long at all. Can you?)
So the key to the whole oil vs. filter concept is that lubes help the engine, and filters help the lube. Filters do NOTHING for the engine.

The concept of bypass filters is often only looked at from one viewpoint, but it's often skewed. We take for granted that full flow filters do a decent job on their own. Again, consider the whole concept, but with a different twist. Consider the use of a full flow filter that was as efficient as our concept of a bypass filter. Now THAT would be awesome! Full flow, 99.9% pure oil! Practical limits on size and cost prohibit such endeavors, but conceptually it's possible. So, in reality, bypass filters are nothing special; they are only "extra fine" filters. If you removed the full flow media, but left the bypass filter installed, I doubt you'd have as good results as what we consider "normal".

The true viewpoint to understand is that filters, regardless of their name or design, only serve to lengthen the life of the lubricant. But they also should only get credit for this, when the oil is too tired to do the job on its own. Bypass filters, in our traditional sense, only are truly effective after the point at which "normal, conventional" oil/filters start to fatigue. So, once again, I pound the gong; if you change your "normal" oil and filters often enough, they have the same effect as "bypass" filtration.

Time for another analogy:
We need to get a 100 pound load over 10 miles of mountains. The goal is to trek the load of 100 pounds 10 miles, (because “work” is defined as force multiplied by distance). We cannot do the work with one hiker, as he would fatigue and eventually fail; we’ll say a “normal” person can go 2 miles with 100 pounds before failure. So we have two options. We could add another hiker, and split the load. By dividing the load in half, perhaps the ability of each hiker is multiplied 5x. Why 5x? The exertion level is not a linear relationship to the load! However, if we didn’t want two hikers at a time, we could also substitute a new hiker, swapping in a fresh hiker every 2 miles. The end result is that the 100 pounds went the 10 miles; the work goal was met. It’s just a question of how it got there. Did the original hiker get assistance, or did he get replaced? See the point? Do you replace “conventional” oil/filters often enough to sustain low wear, or do you assist the system with “better” filtration. Same result; different methods. Bypass filtration is not about result manipulation, it’s about process manipulation.

So, let’s get back on topic. If bypass filters can only effect oil, then it's fair to reason, (because of anecdotal evidence such as UOAs and 1-million mile vehicles), that if you change your oil often enough, the lube system does not need the help of the bypass filter.

Now, you can't have this debate without having some acknowledgement of the practicality of bypass filtration. Clearly, one can make an engine last 1 million miles with "normal" oil and filters; at least two examples exist. So, if those guys would have used bypass filters, would the engines go two million miles with bypass, but would have failed at 1.5 million miles without? I can't say. It’s hard to define a practical limit on such extreme operation.

The pragmatism of the whole debate comes into play when we try to assess "needs" versus "wants". Clearly, bypass filters are not "needed" for equipment longevity; too much evidence to refute that. The question becomes, at what threshold do you "want" a bypass filter? Now, you've entered the concept of "value". Value is based upon many individual parameters that can be rank ordered, in differing priorities, depending upon each person's perception.
1) expected length of ownership
2) expected desire for resale value, if applicable
3) expected operating environment
4) expected operating severity
5) tolerance for initial purchase costs
6) tolerance of initial installation efforts
7) tolerance for required maintenance costs
8) tolerance of required maintenance efforts
9) availability of maintenance components
and so on ...


Here are the three concepts that allude most people:
1 Filters don't make equipment last longer; they make fluids last longer.
2 Bypass filters are clearly not a necessity to achieve equipment longevity.
3 ROI is the true measuring stick by which the preceding two points should be judged.
 
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Id like to summarise what I think were at with this:

* We all agree a bypass filter is good for oil cleanliness given the inadequacies from current full flow oil filters

* There is differing opinion on what benefit to engine longevity might be achieved by a bypass filter over short oil change intervals without one.

* There appears to be no proper technical studies done to answer the question of if a bypass filter does add to engine life over short OCI without one.
 
a few years back I posted a thread "SAE on Bypass Filtration" which answers most of these issues. Yes, bypass filtration extends engine life directly. The physical weight of the contaminates in the oil is directly related to wear in the engine. The more contaminates you remove, the lower the wear rate. Even if you have frequent OCI's you cannot compete with oil that is always clean. Over a 3000 mile OCI, all the contaminates caught in a bypass filter would have been circulating in the engine oil system causing wear.
 
carock do you have a link or sources for this please my search didnt turn it up. It would be terrific to see some proper studies in this space.
 
I've seen SAE papers (not full text) where the reduction of particles to below 10um resulted i reduced wear.

Much depends on the incidence of >10um particles.
 
I'll concede that I don't have a multitide of raw data to crunch to show my point of view, if others will recognize and acknowledge the anecdotal evidence that mounts every day right in front of them.

Here's an interesting thread right in our own back yard.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/200k-check-in.112036/
Of interest, check out the 7th post by SAJEFFC, about the four F-150 work trucks, each with 400k+ miles. 5k mile OCIs, never opened up, original drivetrains, common oil/filters. Need I say more?

What is clear to me is that the concept of bypass filtration was formed many years ago. And yet, the impressions from those older days still hang around. Certainly, three and four decades ago, bypass filtration would likely make things last longer. But that is not the case today, nor has it been for the last 15 years or so. Equipment and lubricants in this last decade are so darn good that just "routine, normal" maintenance can make equipment last indefinitely (or as close to that point of infinity where practicality no longer makes the equipment viable). Most of the studies I've read regarding bypass filtration are from the early 1990's, or before. Folks, that data is outdated because vehicles and lubricants have changed greatly! If anyone knows of a comprehensive, current (less than five year old) study, please bring it to light. If a study were done with a newer engine design, using today's lubes and full-flow filters, I suspect you'd see a much smaller (if any) benefit in longevity. Even if there were a benefit to longevity, it would be on a multiplication factor so large that none of us would really see the point.

In the old days, it was not uncommon for some engines to get tired and worn at 50-60k miles. Put on a bypass filter and you might be able to get 5x the life from it (250k+ miles). But today, "typical" engines with good, routine care can last 250k miles easily without bypass filtration, and most probably much more mileage than that. Nowadays, it's unclear how much of a multiplication factor bypass might have. Bypass filters may still help, but do they push the envelope out past a point where anyone cares to use it? Take the example of the four F-150's with 400k+ miles. Multiply mileage by 5x. What company is going to operate the trucks for 25+ additional years, to accumlate two-million miles for the sake of bragging rights of engine longevity?
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Another thing to understand is that small amount of wear metals may not be able to be stopped, regardless of filtration level. Wear metals come from three sources; start-up, continuous operation, and oxidation. Many people don't understand that sometimes, surfaces can be "too smooth". Lubricants need something to cling to, to provide the barrier. It is wholey true that a surface can be too perfect, and the oil can be scrapped off the surface by the sealing device. I've seen this very thing happen in some of the steering gears we produced in Indy. Our machining process became so good that we were crossing over the point of "peak" hydrodynamic barrier, and rolling down the slope on the other side. With that in mind, consider the common crank or journal bearing. As long as the oil can cling to the surface, the hydrodynamic wedge can lay down it's magic. So, over time, if a few imperfections arise from wear, it really doesn't matter because the oil will just fill in the "low spots" and the barrier will continue to do it's job. The wear today associated with start up is much more prevelant than the wear from operation, and folks, bypass filtration can do little to stop that.

Bypass filtration used to be about longevity, but not for some time now. It's about saving money with fewer oil changes.
 
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Nowadays, it's unclear how much of a multiplication factor bypass might have. Bypass filters may still help, but do they push the envelope out past a point where anyone cares to use it? Take the example of the four F-150's with 400k+ miles. Multiply mileage by 5x. What company is going to operate the trucks for 25+ additional years, to accumlate two-million miles for the sake of bragging rights of engine longevity?


I'm pretty much in agreement. It is very difficult to measure the gain. Most stuff we've seen, in terms of advancements, are approaching a ceiling. It's happened with just about everything. The variance between standard and ACME is getting compressed. Most will notice that the floor is coming up ..but the ceiling is having a hard time keeping the gap steady.

With 250k easily doable our highly mobile population with up to 15 years of ownership ..let alone fleet (taxi, etc) useage ..and without too many reaching the end of life for any engine, you just can't see the data if it exists. Would the 400k guy have seen 400k as is with a 425k "end of life" ..while a 500k+ end of life with bypass filtration? We'll never know.

The probable outcome of a 50 vehicle fleet, where half used bypass and half didn't, is that the failure points would be all over the place and wouldn't favor one over the other. What you would probably see, upon a tear down, is that, on average, the bypass filtered engines would be in better condition ..BUT that that difference had no impact upon the failure rate. The failure (by that I mean having the engine pulled to repair) would just as likely be traced to the process variable of the failed part's manufacture.

There's just no way to reach statistical significance when you're competing with too many variables.


btw- the SAE study I saw with the reference to
I have yet to see a published SAE paper ..one that manages the peer review process, to NOT prove what it set out to prove. They're rarely just research for research's sake.

My favorite is the study by the creators of Dex VI proving that OEM fluid is superior to multi-vehicle fluids in performance.

So a GM fluid engineer ..funded by GM ...shows that GM OEM fluid is better than any competitors.

While I do not suggest that it's "untrue" ..the test/research was configured to attain that outcome. If the results didn't prove it, you never would have seen the study hit the light of day.
 
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The wear today associated with start up is much more prevelant than the wear from operation, and folks, bypass filtration can do little to stop that.


This I don't think I latched on to this.

Yes. Most of the wear you experience is during the start up/warm up event (up to 20 minutes) and is mostly unavoidable (typical gas engine). I'd love to find a study where oil and coolant warmers were employed to see how much wear is avoided compared to ambient control engines.

Basically 90% of all wear under typical (or even ideal) conditions is unavoidable. It's dictated by the number of cold starts per mile/miles per cold start (same thing). You MAY alter the level of that wear somewhere beyond some standard deviation ..but how much? Beyond that you MAY shave the remaining 10% of "other than start up/warm up wear" to some extent ...

Again, you're shaving a peach to get the fuzz off in terms of approaching perfection.

So, oil warmer, block warmer - there goes a good bit of your standard gross wear ..and a bypass may take a dip from from that (surely not as significant) and will shave the steady state wear to some unknown level. It may be statistically subordinate to the manufacturing process variable.


So, it could be said that 250k+ is manageable with 90% of the mandated wear being endured. More has been achieved, but there you're looking at incidents where the start up/warm up factor has been radically been reduced. Any engine in a steady state to a high percentage just throws that wear out a whole new door.

Now an engine that ONLY sees two starts a day and does 10 miles each starting event after a full cool down to near ambient? There a block warmer/oil warmer WILL reduce that 90% figure a great deal. Add a preluber ..nirvana ..........but on that unit ..the age will do more damage to the chassis over 250k of mileage. An auto accident enters into the list of variables that retires the engine ..and you've spent $450 to allow it to be a factor.
 
Someone I talked to on CVN awhile ago ran a Taxi shop. as expected, they work with mostly Vics and the 4.6L modular motor. He says they usually get about upper end of 400K to 600K on the engines. Used cop cars pretty much end up in the lower end and ones they own from the beginning at the upper end, sometimes more. He showed a picture of one with I believe 650K on the original engine.
He said what sometimes kills them is the timing chains finish wearing through the nylon plastic covering on the chain tensioners and goes metal on metal. This ultimately results in the engine lunching its valves and pistons. This is not something you could fix with bypass, the chains just ride on the plastic. You could go in and repair this with new chains and tensioners, but at the end you just spent $200-300 plus 8 hours in labor to end up with an engine that still has 600K miles and burns a quart every 1000 miles. So they keep a few junkyard pulls on hand and swap entire engines when they get to this point..
btw, they run Motorcraft filters and bulk 10W30.

I think fine filtration is excellent to add on to a transmission however. Transmissions go more often than engines, and have what amounts to a boulder and squirrel catcher as a filter. I bought a Racor Transmission filter kit for just this purpose. Heck, if I ever throw a transmission, it will pay for it self right there. Factory recommends to replace the cooler due to contamination. For me, I would just throw a new filter on. That would save me however much a new cooler costs.
I still have not figured out where I am going to put the thing though, its so big.
 
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