Buick ties Lexus

[ThirdeYe]

That wasn't Chinese

 

[g20ooh]

Short and sweet it is .

The four highest scoring vehicles in this survey are ;

The Mazda Miata , the Honda S2000 , (also in two different classes ) the Toyota Tacoma , and drum roll please ..... the Buick Century - which means regardless of price , this is the highest scoring sedan in the survey .

I find it fascinating that a group of American UAW workers in 2 of the 'older' assembly plants located in the USA using 80% plus ? American /Canadian ? made parts can produce product that outpointed all the other 4dr sedans - not only in its 22 vehicle class (largest group in survey), including Accord and Camry - who weren't even close , but also every other 4dr. as well .


Thought this was interesting as well . (From the JDP press release) ;

" - The study also finds that approximately 65 percent of vehicle owners experience one or more problems that require
components to be replaced. - "

So 35% were at 'zero' .....

 

[CLG]

Ahhhh just giving you guys a hard time.

 

[Gary Allan]

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Shame, shame Gary. Ripping on a Buick GN as a rare item but using a 2002tii as a comparison to a Ford Granda. They made about 26,000 of actual intercooled GNs in 1986 and 1987. A total of about 37,000 intercooled Buick Regal turbo versions in those two years. Now go and look up how many BMW 2002 Tii there were sold in this country. The turbocharged ones; you know the 2.0 liter BMWs with turbos that would be dead-butt slow compared to a GN. The 2002 Tiis that have sold for $100,000

So once you find the figure on how many turbo 2002 BMWs were sold here, relative to turbo regals, try and explain why you're not picking and choosing(spin) your facts as to make your anti-american bias more pronounced.

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The BMW 2002 tii wasn't turbo charged. It was the better performing mechanical injection pre-electronic. One where someone could have a top speed of about 125 ..and get 25mpg ..and drive 100 mph all day. Meanwhile we had chrome covered plastic and simulated woodgrain ...T-tops that didn't last without hassles...etc..etc. All the same lame "nifty" passe~ stuff that we've had for decades. All of it based on a 3-5 year thing.

I'm not 'pro-foreign' per se~ They just find it too easy to trump the typical model in car design.

Think of what the big three would produce if they made something as "odd" as a Honda Element ..or, even more "odd", a Scion XB. It would be a total joke and piece of tacky junk. Now you can surely think that they both look like a joke ..and you may find them tacky...but Honda and Scion are making a good living at producing them ..and will for a long time.

Caliber? Morphed just a bit (a very little bit) ..you've got a Mini Cooper. 5 years from now which will you admire whether you would buy one or not??

Again ..I've loved/admired many traditional American cars. Camaro SS/Z28, Mustang, Trans Am (not just a Firebird a chick car - like Camaro), surely the Corvette. But I just look at something like the Fiero ..with all the potential it had ..and what Detroit did to it to see just how many ways that they can screw up a great idea. Others appear to learn from their mistakes .and, again and again, seem to hit some pretty fine targets in automotive excellence.

 

[CBDFrontier06]

I have to agree with you on the Fiero point. It had the potential to be a great car for the U.S. but instead of 'creating it' and giving it an identity of its own, it was handed down Chevy Citation parts (engines and transaxle) and not nearly enough effort was put into making the chassis stiff enough to handle the duty it was doing. The Quad 4 H.O. was the perfect engine for this car, and the Sunbird transaxle would have been an excellent replacement for the Citation -----ola, but it was extinct before any of that could take place. Too bad...what a great recipe they ALMOST cooked up.

 

[Jaymus]

I didn't read the report, but someone said something about a Buick Century?

Surely no one is recommending ANY GM car with the 3.1/3.4 engine!?!?! Blown intake gaskets, anyone? I've done them on many 3.4's in Grand Am's, and a couple of Monte Carlos with the 3.1's... and done a Buick Century with the 3.1. All blown intake gaskets... all at the same spot. All the same problem.

I love the 3.1/3.4... they are a stout and peppy engine for their size, considering they are American... but man, those factory gaskets are junk. What is to blame? Making an intake gasket that is also half of a head gasket and also a weak gasket? Or the odd design of the engine itself?

 

[mstrjon32]

You said it yourself, once you get past the intake gasket design issue, which really only arose with the Series III engines, the 60*V6 is an excellent engine and I'd recommend one to anybody. Even the pesky Series III, with it's ---- gasket...it costs the same or less to replace the gasket ONCE with the updated design than it would to replace the timing belt on a similar engine; probably more than once during the ownership of such a vehicle.

The intake gasket problem has been 100% completely resolved with the new LZ4/LZ9 variants, FYI.