Brutality, with intent to kill....

Status
Not open for further replies.
That's the result of relieving people from "Consequences" for their behaviour thanks to the SJW who always confuse freedom with license. Our society is crumbling alas!
 
Originally Posted by spasm3
Originally Posted by dogememe
Threads like this make me want to concealed carry because I'm a 130lbs gay guy who would lose ANY physical fight I was in...



Bruce Lee was only 130-140lbs.

Unless you have some real physical disability, using a firearm in a physical confrontation is dicey, unless you are about to be killed or facing multiple attackers, even then a jury may not support you.


Nah, I just like never go to the gym or anything lol
 
Originally Posted by Shannow
This has been playing on my mind lately.

All my life, there have been schoolyard brawls, fist fights outside pubs and the like, but something's changed in the not so long past.

Rather than a display of physical dominance, the desire to absolutely destroy the opponent...more specifically head stomping.

A week ago, a little kid, 4 days into highschool was set upon by another kid, 16 years old.

He quickly hit the ground, and then the head stomping started...end result all teeth lost, broken nose, fractured eye socket, and suspected brain damage...life changed forever even if the physical heals. The kids in the playground (mine included) are still reeling at the violence and the sight of it.

Another guy outside a pub 3 months ago, the fight should have been over, but the head stomping started. Three years ago, a neighbour's nephew walking down a road, a guy crossed to intercept him, robbed him, then head stomped him into an electric wheelchair.

It's an issue that I'm really struggling with is what has happened where people feel the need to


The answer is: Death Culture

Look around and you will see that people's opinions are stronger than ever, and even many rational people believe that death and elimination is the answer to many of the world's problems.

I think a lot of it comes from the struggle to be validated. Look at most acts of mass murder. Motives are almost always recognition and respect. If you're a threat, you'll be taken seriously.

Our nation in particular has been extraordinarily changed by 9/11.

Desensitization is a major factor, but I'm not of the opinion that it comes from games and such. It comes from a lack of violent experiences. Most of my family fought in truly violent war and all of none of them desired to be involved in a fight or cause another human being harm.

I grew up on Rated-R movies, guns, violent video games, violent music, etc. I should be a poster child for violence. I'm not. Sadly, I have witnessed real-world violence and it's after-effects and want nothing to do with it. I lived through NYC in the 80s. Despite living in quite a good part of the City, I was 5 when I witnessed a man pull a firearm of my mother, 7 when I first saw a dead human body, and as I grew I saw a few instances where people were nearly beaten to death.

The desensitization is not a matter of supply. It's a lack of context. I myself have been forced to defend myself, but I have no "pride" or anything over that. It's just really sad.
 
Thats like saying a Prius would handle & perform like a GT40 because they weigh about the same.

Not a slag at dogememe at all - you'd be well served by a defensive firearm course, enhanced with a healthy dose of being aware of your surroundings.

Originally Posted by spasm3
Originally Posted by dogememe
Threads like this make me want to concealed carry because I'm a 130lbs gay guy who would lose ANY physical fight I was in...



Bruce Lee was only 130-140lbs.

Unless you have some real physical disability, using a firearm in a physical confrontation is dicey, unless you are about to be killed or facing multiple attackers, even then a jury may not support you.
 
It's happening here too. There's a palpable sense of something brutal having being 'unleashed'. Since about 2015, the UK murder rate (mainly fatal stabbings) has rocketed up. It's most noticeable in London but it's been going up in all of our big cities.

Although you can't generalise, it's shocking how young both the perpetrators and the victims are in some of these killings; 13 to 16 seems 'normal' these days! Being from an ethnical background & a poor neighbourhood also is a significant feature as is the disproportionality of the violence (he dissed me so I offed him!).

The bigger problem however has been the divisiveness of the Brexit debate (actually it's been more a nasty, vicious shouting match rather than a debate) and the rise of a newly emboldened rabid, nationalist Right. If this spins much further out of control, I can see this nation of ours wading ankle deep in blood in five years time. I really hope I'm wrong on this last point.
 
"death culture" is probably the best description of what is happening. Back in my day, if two guys had a brawl and there was crowd around them watching, they would never allow head stomping and would break up the fight. Now, the crowd is standing there watching the carnage so that later on they can all post about their experience and how traumatized they were on all the social media networks.
 
Originally Posted by Shannow
I don't think it's for pleasure...it's a possessed rage, coupled with an absolute lack of empathy


I think the rage is uncontrollable, there is empathy but it is a mound of empathy under a mountain of rage (pain)
The perp becomes powerless over him((her)self until after the fact at which time comes the shame/guilt/remorse (more pain) - repeat ......
 
I think that American society at least has become tribal and differentiating on many fronts that might not only be supported by media but even codified into law. I don't doubt that for every bad-parented street thug there's a kid who sees that type of image and thinks that's OK or to be emulated. Especially if they're drugged into emotional nihilism like my friend's daughter who committed suicide at 32 or various school shooters.

You've got the "Me Too" movement along with "me too" violent actions that are undoubtedly helped by media imagery...and you'd be hard pressed to think that these weren't connected in their ability to differentiate people in different ways. Same difference here..there's now almost an expectation of some of these events and their outcomes.

I was in high school in the late 70s and I know that if there was that level of a violent confrontation, more than likely students would intervene. I don't know how representative this actually is...but many of the media images I see have a circle of students yelling 'Go' and not people doing the right thing. Does that promote this type of thing or give it a value of normalcy if you see it fairly often and in different contexts??...I'd definitely say yes.
 
Originally Posted by Farnsworth
Things were worse in olden times. Impaling people, quartering, crucifixion, and all that. The Romans were horrible. Not popular to say, but if all humans were taken off earth it would be a better place imo. But we think we are so special.





How would you know?
 
Like said, people are desensitized. Everything has to be over the top or overdone to get the felling of accomplishment.
 
Originally Posted by SonofJoe
it's shocking how young both the perpetrators and the victims are in some of these killings; 13 to 16 seems 'normal' these days!


The most dangerous people in society are 12-17 year old males. They are the most violent, most dangerous, most likely to go to far, to maim or to kill, without remorse.
 
Not if they use Gillette products.

Originally Posted by bubbatime
Originally Posted by SonofJoe
it's shocking how young both the perpetrators and the victims are in some of these killings; 13 to 16 seems 'normal' these days!


The most dangerous people in society are 12-17 year old males. They are the most violent, most dangerous, most likely to go to far, to maim or to kill, without remorse.
 
"Kicking a man while he's down" used to be so frowned upon that it became a cliche for despicable behavior.

Today with the prevalence of guns, once a physical fight of any sort is "on," it is pragmatic for the winner to continue until the loser is dead or nearly so. This is encouraged by "stand your ground" laws in many states.
 
Last edited:
On top of all this is a shift to culture being based on "gotcha moments" where discourse must be boiled down to snarky quick comments that don't convey depth.

People don't talk it out any more. You try to find the most effective and damaging tactic and make quick work of the opponent.

Twitter and SMS and social networking is not helping things get any better either.


I think a 2nd American civil war is brewing my friends. Take measures for preparedness and enjoy the peace while it lasts.
 
Originally Posted by Jarlaxle
Originally Posted by demarpaint
FTR I am in no way advocating it! Times have changed! There are people that have trained to fight [self defense] and go about it under the assumption the opponent could have a weapon, and use it from the ground. In some instances that may very well be the reason some people stomp heads. In a self defense situation, a knock out or stomping the hands so a person can't use a weapon is a better way than risking killing or permanently disabling someone. Operative words here are self defense.


If you knock the guy on his rear, you won that fight. If you knock him on his rear, then stomp him good and smash his knees, hands, head, and genitals, you have won that fight...and every fight you might have ever had with him.


True. Me I'd rather not have to deal with a second round, or title bouts in prison for killing someone and the legal system possibly failing me. I'd be happy with knocking him down and out long enough for me to safely exit. And breaking maybe a knee/ankle and hands with some good measure insurance stomps. Those guarantee me if the knockout wasn't at least a ten count he can't run, or hold a gun to shoot me.

Keep in mind most people my age don't get in bar fights, hopefully. I figure if I get in a fight, it is going to be something very serious and I want to live to talk about it. I'm not talking kids in a schoolyard here, or bar fights over some bimbo.
 
Originally Posted by mk378
"Kicking a man while he's down" used to be so frowned upon that it became a cliche for despicable behavior.

Today with the prevalence of guns, once a physical fight of any sort is "on," it is pragmatic for the winner to continue until the loser is dead or nearly so. This is encouraged by "stand your ground" laws in many states.


Baloney. Where is most killing happening? Drugs and gangs in populated and poor areas are where most killing occurs. The vast majority of guns used in those crimes are held illegally by the criminals, who are released over and over again in big cities. Guns are highly prevalent in my town and in rural areas, and murders are extraordinarily rare, as are home invasions. Those that do happen often involve....you guessed it: Drugs.

Stand Your Ground laws are rarely involved because the people they are designed to protect aren't involved in this kind of crap. Usually, they are law abiding people living with their families among the criminals. They should be allowed to stand their ground and defend themselves against predators and thieves whenever necessary.
 
Originally Posted by IndyFan
Originally Posted by mk378
"Kicking a man while he's down" used to be so frowned upon that it became a cliche for despicable behavior.

Today with the prevalence of guns, once a physical fight of any sort is "on," it is pragmatic for the winner to continue until the loser is dead or nearly so. This is encouraged by "stand your ground" laws in many states.


Baloney. Where is most killing happening? Drugs and gangs in populated and poor areas are where most killing occurs. The vast majority of guns used in those crimes are held illegally by the criminals, who are released over and over again in big cities. Guns are highly prevalent in my town and in rural areas, and murders are extraordinarily rare, as are home invasions. Those that do happen often involve....you guessed it: Drugs.

Stand Your Ground laws are rarely involved because the people they are designed to protect aren't involved in this kind of crap. Usually, they are law abiding people living with their families among the criminals. They should be allowed to stand their ground and defend themselves against predators and thieves whenever necessary.



I'm a huge 2A supporter and user, but the SYG laws have made people positively frightening. Back when I became of age, Firearms Etiquette and how to avoid a deadly conflict were king. Now, I come across too many people who are almost looking forward to a conflict where they can use deadly force. Again, pervasiveness of the Death Culture.

Im not a believer that SYG needs to be repealed, but a minimum those who initiate conflicts, escalate conflicts, and those with a history of both need to be exempt from it's protection. There also needs to be better education (no, not mandated or government involved) on use of firearms.

True, SYG issues make up almost nothing of gun violence, but I'd prefer not to see it become one.
 
Originally Posted by dishdude
Originally Posted by CharlieBauer
Although there have always been sick individuals, I agree with Shannow that something recently has changed.

I think it is related to the internet, social media and online pornography which is about power and violence.

Kids today have access to things today that the average liberal (small "l" not political) person a couple of decades ago would have found too much.


Aren't murders and violent crime down significantly? We don't see anything crazy like the serial killers that were prolific in the 70's.


The 1970's were "peak lead exposure years" as lead levels went down so did the shootings and mayhem.

The rage in current society is a combination of improper medicated children and a lack of proper socialization and people who end up in extreme isolation
cell phones are no substitute for actual vocal face to face interactions.

People's social skills have degraded significantly in the last 15 years, devices and screen time are shown to brain damage children under 5
unless we want to remove devices from the young this trend will continue as we push the extreme envelope of electronics everywhere and loose our humanity in the process
 
Originally Posted by billt460
Ask yourselves what has changed? Parenting, or lack thereof. Teaching, or lack thereof. Discipline, or lack thereof. Caring, or lack thereof. Along with the pushing of abnormal progressive social agendas and values. Lack of religion. Not so much in which "god" to believe in. But in regards to how it teaches people to treat their fellow men. Lack of personal social interaction because of machines. Along with the social isolationism they provide.

As a direct example you have young girls who are, "sexting" guys they have never met face to face. By sending sexually explicit photos of themselves. What message does that send? It isn't good. These same girls would not think of taking their clothes off at a party, in front of the same guy they just met a half an hour ago. Their phones make them both socially and sexually brave. Same with the lack of respect, and insulting behavior Internet communication allows. People say things to others they would never think of saying in a face to face meeting.

I won't go as far as to blame violence in games and movies. Simply because we've had violence in movies since they made, "The Great Train Robbery" back in 1903. Sure it's become more graphic, just as the language has. But before kids were better able to separate it from reality. Today they want to mimic it. When I was in grade school my friends and I used to bring our .22's to school, and keep them in our lockers. So after class we could go plinking together. The only reaction I got from the Principal one day, was he asked if he could see it. And proceeded to comment on how nice it was. There were no mass school or workplace shootings back then. Try bringing a gun into a school today and see what happens. Again, what's changed?

I won't blame drugs either. They've been around for ages. Kids who grew up in the 60's were all exposed to as much or more of it as kids today. I know I sure was. They just kept more in touch with reality. Most grew out of it once they graduated, and went to work for a living. And as much as people like to mock Nancy Regan, she was right. A lot of us simply said, "No!"

Add it all up and it creates what you have today. A much more violent, desensitized society. And this is all going to get a lot worse before it gets any better..... If it ever does.


+1
 
Originally Posted by Shannow
.... Rather than a display of physical dominance, the desire to absolutely destroy the opponent...more specifically head stomping.

A week ago, a little kid, 4 days into highschool ( sic )was set upon by another kid, 16 years old.

He quickly hit the ground, and then the head stomping started...end result all teeth lost, broken nose, fractured eye socket, and suspected brain damage...


Yes, the punks are way worse now than they were just a few decades ago.

I was appointed to represent some thug kid who, first day back from his suspension from school, stormed into the cafeteria and clocked another kid in the back of the head with a chair, and then started kicking him in the head when he was on the ground.

On video.

With witnesses.

Fortunately they have in school cops and they broke it up pretty quick.

Found not true on the charges.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top