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Originally Posted By: Russell
Originally Posted By: badtlc
BP has always exceeded Top Tier standards. They actually use more detergents than Shell. I think top tier mandates 3x the federal minimum. From what I have read on manufacturer websites:
1) Top Tier minimum is 3x (federal minimum)
2) Conoco Phillips is 3.5x
3) Shell is 5x
4) BP was tested at the pump by some news station and had more detergents than Shell. They don't seem to advertise specific levels.
Really, My last tank of Bp 93 was lower mileage than Shell 93
Great data. My last tank of ___ 87 was higher/lower than my previous tank of the exact same brand and octane!!!
Pretty rare to actually have back to back tanks with the exact same mpg.
Originally Posted By: badtlc
BP has always exceeded Top Tier standards. They actually use more detergents than Shell. I think top tier mandates 3x the federal minimum. From what I have read on manufacturer websites:
1) Top Tier minimum is 3x (federal minimum)
2) Conoco Phillips is 3.5x
3) Shell is 5x
4) BP was tested at the pump by some news station and had more detergents than Shell. They don't seem to advertise specific levels.
Really, My last tank of Bp 93 was lower mileage than Shell 93
Great data. My last tank of ___ 87 was higher/lower than my previous tank of the exact same brand and octane!!!
Pretty rare to actually have back to back tanks with the exact same mpg.
Originally Posted By: gaijinnv
Fixed it for you
Good luck believing the oil propaganda as they really have your best interest in their mind, LOL.
Fixed it for you
Good luck believing the oil propaganda as they really have your best interest in their mind, LOL.
BP gasoline has always been even with the Top Tier specs - they just didn't want to pay the membership fee for the group.
Instead, BP entered an agreement with Ford to be the "recommended" gasoline, which many Ford owners will find in their manuals and on their gas caps. My 07 Ford Focus for instance has a gas cap that recommends BP.
It would appear then that BP had a change of heart, and ponied up the cash for the Top Tier program.
I would heavily doubt any formulation has changed on BP's behalf - they always had a higher than normal additive package via "Invigorate."
Instead, BP entered an agreement with Ford to be the "recommended" gasoline, which many Ford owners will find in their manuals and on their gas caps. My 07 Ford Focus for instance has a gas cap that recommends BP.
It would appear then that BP had a change of heart, and ponied up the cash for the Top Tier program.
I would heavily doubt any formulation has changed on BP's behalf - they always had a higher than normal additive package via "Invigorate."
Originally Posted By: Hyde244
I would heavily doubt any formulation has changed on BP's behalf - they always had a higher than normal additive package via "Invigorate."
Exactly how much more detergent in BP 87 octane compared to the EPA minimum? I don't trust vague statements, give me some numbers like Conoco, Shell, and Phillips 66 do. Then I might believe them.
I would heavily doubt any formulation has changed on BP's behalf - they always had a higher than normal additive package via "Invigorate."
Exactly how much more detergent in BP 87 octane compared to the EPA minimum? I don't trust vague statements, give me some numbers like Conoco, Shell, and Phillips 66 do. Then I might believe them.
Pretty much all gas in a region comes from the same oil plant. It is only the additives that change between brands. The condition of the tanks and pumps at the station have more to do with the quality of gas than the name brand. It is more important to get gas from a well maintained, high volume station than to get a specific name brand. Top tier does play a role, but if it is top tier from a poorly maintained station with water leaking into the tanks, it probably won't get you great MPG's compared to a well maintained no name station. Ideally, a top tier, high volume, newer station would be the way to go.
I usually use BP gas at a high volume location that appears to be well maintained. I don't swear by it or any other brand though. It is out of convenience more than anything. I also use Techron on a regular basis as well. Approx. every 7.5k before an oil change.
I usually use BP gas at a high volume location that appears to be well maintained. I don't swear by it or any other brand though. It is out of convenience more than anything. I also use Techron on a regular basis as well. Approx. every 7.5k before an oil change.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
I guess BP is straining their top tier out of ocean water in the gulf, least we forget greed, corruption, short cuts, and lives lost and coastal water ways that are poluted forever and ever. You all dont truly believe that that oil in inlet waterways is now pristeen.......................
The water is Great & Fish are fine and that's coming from Florida. Last time I checked crude oil was all natural. All the whiners about oil need to move to a village in Africa and live oil free lives. Bet you be back soon.
Florida is a large state... being that you are on the atlantic the only stuff you hear is the advertisement that BP is funding.
Do we see crude in the water? No. Can we see crude 1000m below the surface at the sea floor? Definitely not. To assume the oil did not have a long and lasting effect on our ecosystem is a huge misunderstanding. Even if it just affected the populations from that one year, a small skew in death rates and birth rates can make or break the growth of those populations since we are actively fishing those populations as well.
Without even talking about the coastal estuaries(trout, drum, mussels, etc) and coastline populations (mackerel, shallow water grouper,etc) there is the fiercely regulated bluefin tuna, highly fished yellowfin tuna, swordfish, marlin, and other pelagic species that migrate to the northern gulf of mexico every spring/summer to... you guessed it, LAY EGGS.
Also, parts of Africa(Nigeria mainly) have rivers that are saturated with crude from Big Oil.
200 million gallons of crude didn't just disappear. Enjoy your oblivious life denying that money covers up lies, and the more money you have, the bigger the lies they can cover up.
Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
I guess BP is straining their top tier out of ocean water in the gulf, least we forget greed, corruption, short cuts, and lives lost and coastal water ways that are poluted forever and ever. You all dont truly believe that that oil in inlet waterways is now pristeen.......................
The water is Great & Fish are fine and that's coming from Florida. Last time I checked crude oil was all natural. All the whiners about oil need to move to a village in Africa and live oil free lives. Bet you be back soon.
Florida is a large state... being that you are on the atlantic the only stuff you hear is the advertisement that BP is funding.
Do we see crude in the water? No. Can we see crude 1000m below the surface at the sea floor? Definitely not. To assume the oil did not have a long and lasting effect on our ecosystem is a huge misunderstanding. Even if it just affected the populations from that one year, a small skew in death rates and birth rates can make or break the growth of those populations since we are actively fishing those populations as well.
Without even talking about the coastal estuaries(trout, drum, mussels, etc) and coastline populations (mackerel, shallow water grouper,etc) there is the fiercely regulated bluefin tuna, highly fished yellowfin tuna, swordfish, marlin, and other pelagic species that migrate to the northern gulf of mexico every spring/summer to... you guessed it, LAY EGGS.
Also, parts of Africa(Nigeria mainly) have rivers that are saturated with crude from Big Oil.
200 million gallons of crude didn't just disappear. Enjoy your oblivious life denying that money covers up lies, and the more money you have, the bigger the lies they can cover up.
I was pretty sure we were supposed to leave these topics off of BITOG. What does any of this have to do with BP gas being top tier? We all choose which products we purchase, we all have our own opinions on these things, but this is WAY off topic......
BP being top tier has nothing to do with the tragedy that happened in the gulf, and yes, I agree, it was a tragedy......
BP being top tier has nothing to do with the tragedy that happened in the gulf, and yes, I agree, it was a tragedy......
Since we are all addicted to cheap gas (still is cheap, believe it or not) wells will go deeper, farther out to sea, and into more wilderness areas. There be plenty of foul-ups in the future. hopefully, none will eclipse this one, but if you look at recent history it's probably only a matter of time.
Better to do what you can to use less, even a little bit less.
Aside from that, this thread is about TT gas, but BP discussion is not totally unrelated.
Better to do what you can to use less, even a little bit less.
Aside from that, this thread is about TT gas, but BP discussion is not totally unrelated.
IMO...BP most likely exceeded the requirement for Top Tier Gasoline for years.
IMO....In order to get on that "Top Tier" list you must be a cash contributor to the organization.....otherwise.....you're gonna sing the Blues if you haven't paid your dues.
IMO....In order to get on that "Top Tier" list you must be a cash contributor to the organization.....otherwise.....you're gonna sing the Blues if you haven't paid your dues.
Originally Posted By: mongo161
IMO....In order to get on that "Top Tier" list you must be a cash contributor to the organization.....otherwise.....you're gonna sing the Blues if you haven't paid your dues.
That applies to all of BP's oils, too. API, ILSAC, ACEA, and manufacturers' specifications don't appear on the bottle for free.
IMO....In order to get on that "Top Tier" list you must be a cash contributor to the organization.....otherwise.....you're gonna sing the Blues if you haven't paid your dues.
That applies to all of BP's oils, too. API, ILSAC, ACEA, and manufacturers' specifications don't appear on the bottle for free.
Originally Posted By: JavierG
Does that mean ARCO is top tier? Aren't they a BP company?
JavierG,
I'd like to know as well!!
Durango
Does that mean ARCO is top tier? Aren't they a BP company?
JavierG,
I'd like to know as well!!
Durango
Arco is only sold under the BP brand around here. It is the same invigorate detergents according to the BP website. Should be the same performance.
The only difference I know of is that Arco gas is refined 1x more than average gas. It is why they used to advertise it as being more "clear" than other gasolines. The extra refinement takes out more impurities. BP apparently decided to keep that property and refinement process when they bought up the Arco refineries.
The only difference I know of is that Arco gas is refined 1x more than average gas. It is why they used to advertise it as being more "clear" than other gasolines. The extra refinement takes out more impurities. BP apparently decided to keep that property and refinement process when they bought up the Arco refineries.
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badtlc,
That's actually good to hear since there's been so much ARCO bashing through the years. Now that ARCO is manufactured by Tesoro but sold under the BP label I wonder when the actual name (ARCO) will be on the top tier list along side BP itself.
Durango
That's actually good to hear since there's been so much ARCO bashing through the years. Now that ARCO is manufactured by Tesoro but sold under the BP label I wonder when the actual name (ARCO) will be on the top tier list along side BP itself.
Durango
As a regular BP customer, I too am happy to hear they are officially a member of the Top Tier club. Their gasoline blend has always been of good quality and service stations here in NJ are always clean and well kept. Also their prices are the same or lower than most Top Tier and non-TT competitors (ditto Exxon/Mobil. Shell usually few cents more.) Despite the attempts by some to demonize BP (and Exxon and whichever oil company suffers the next major accident) I will continue to use their products regularly and with total confidence
I thought we had already established Top Tier as a farce...
Originally Posted By: Maximus1966
I thought we had already established Top Tier as a farce...
You obviously haven't been paying attention
The Top Tier organization is akin to API with oil - they test and certify the performance of gasoline.
This certification provides information and a level of confidence to the consumer when making a gasoline purchase decision.
I thought we had already established Top Tier as a farce...
You obviously haven't been paying attention
The Top Tier organization is akin to API with oil - they test and certify the performance of gasoline.
This certification provides information and a level of confidence to the consumer when making a gasoline purchase decision.
Originally Posted By: matt922
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
I guess BP is straining their top tier out of ocean water in the gulf, least we forget greed, corruption, short cuts, and lives lost and coastal water ways that are poluted forever and ever. You all dont truly believe that that oil in inlet waterways is now pristeen.......................
The water is Great & Fish are fine and that's coming from Florida. Last time I checked crude oil was all natural. All the whiners about oil need to move to a village in Africa and live oil free lives. Bet you be back soon.
Florida is a large state... being that you are on the atlantic the only stuff you hear is the advertisement that BP is funding.
Do we see crude in the water? No. Can we see crude 1000m below the surface at the sea floor? Definitely not. To assume the oil did not have a long and lasting effect on our ecosystem is a huge misunderstanding. Even if it just affected the populations from that one year, a small skew in death rates and birth rates can make or break the growth of those populations since we are actively fishing those populations as well.
Without even talking about the coastal estuaries(trout, drum, mussels, etc) and coastline populations (mackerel, shallow water grouper,etc) there is the fiercely regulated bluefin tuna, highly fished yellowfin tuna, swordfish, marlin, and other pelagic species that migrate to the northern gulf of mexico every spring/summer to... you guessed it, LAY EGGS.
Also, parts of Africa(Nigeria mainly) have rivers that are saturated with crude from Big Oil.
200 million gallons of crude didn't just disappear. Enjoy your oblivious life denying that money covers up lies, and the more money you have, the bigger the lies they can cover up.
In addition, the huge volume of the very toxic oil dispersants Corexit 9500 and Corexit 9527 made the problem worse. Oil dispersants don't remove the oil. They make the oil disperse into small droplets and sink to the bottom. The problem looks better and becomes worse than if no dispersants were used. The droplets of oil get into marine organisms and cause biological damage, plus the damage caused by the toxicity of the Corexit. Many clean up workers have serious illnesses due to their unprotected exposure to Corexit.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
I guess BP is straining their top tier out of ocean water in the gulf, least we forget greed, corruption, short cuts, and lives lost and coastal water ways that are poluted forever and ever. You all dont truly believe that that oil in inlet waterways is now pristeen.......................
The water is Great & Fish are fine and that's coming from Florida. Last time I checked crude oil was all natural. All the whiners about oil need to move to a village in Africa and live oil free lives. Bet you be back soon.
Florida is a large state... being that you are on the atlantic the only stuff you hear is the advertisement that BP is funding.
Do we see crude in the water? No. Can we see crude 1000m below the surface at the sea floor? Definitely not. To assume the oil did not have a long and lasting effect on our ecosystem is a huge misunderstanding. Even if it just affected the populations from that one year, a small skew in death rates and birth rates can make or break the growth of those populations since we are actively fishing those populations as well.
Without even talking about the coastal estuaries(trout, drum, mussels, etc) and coastline populations (mackerel, shallow water grouper,etc) there is the fiercely regulated bluefin tuna, highly fished yellowfin tuna, swordfish, marlin, and other pelagic species that migrate to the northern gulf of mexico every spring/summer to... you guessed it, LAY EGGS.
Also, parts of Africa(Nigeria mainly) have rivers that are saturated with crude from Big Oil.
200 million gallons of crude didn't just disappear. Enjoy your oblivious life denying that money covers up lies, and the more money you have, the bigger the lies they can cover up.
In addition, the huge volume of the very toxic oil dispersants Corexit 9500 and Corexit 9527 made the problem worse. Oil dispersants don't remove the oil. They make the oil disperse into small droplets and sink to the bottom. The problem looks better and becomes worse than if no dispersants were used. The droplets of oil get into marine organisms and cause biological damage, plus the damage caused by the toxicity of the Corexit. Many clean up workers have serious illnesses due to their unprotected exposure to Corexit.
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