BP now Top Tier...
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I guess they now 'meet the standards'
I see the list is greatly expanded from years ago. Last time I looked there was (1) retailer (shell) that had any type of significant presence in my part of New England.
I guess BP is straining their top tier out of ocean water in the gulf, least we forget greed, corruption, short cuts, and lives lost and coastal water ways that are poluted forever and ever. You all dont truly believe that that oil in inlet waterways is now pristeen.......................
Does that mean ARCO is top tier? Aren't they a BP company?
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Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
I guess BP is straining their top tier out of ocean water in the gulf, least we forget greed, corruption, short cuts, and lives lost and coastal water ways that are poluted forever and ever. You all dont truly believe that that oil in inlet waterways is now pristeen.......................
Ditto every petroleum co.
I guess BP is straining their top tier out of ocean water in the gulf, least we forget greed, corruption, short cuts, and lives lost and coastal water ways that are poluted forever and ever. You all dont truly believe that that oil in inlet waterways is now pristeen.......................
Ditto every petroleum co.
We've had a couple of BP gas stations in Eastern Massachusetts close up shop so far this year that I know of. They have since reopened under Mutual gas.
BP has always exceeded Top Tier standards. They actually use more detergents than Shell. I think top tier mandates 3x the federal minimum. From what I have read on manufacturer websites:
1) Top Tier minimum is 3x (federal minimum)
2) Conoco Phillips is 3.5x
3) Shell is 5x
4) BP was tested at the pump by some news station and had more detergents than Shell. They don't seem to advertise specific levels.
1) Top Tier minimum is 3x (federal minimum)
2) Conoco Phillips is 3.5x
3) Shell is 5x
4) BP was tested at the pump by some news station and had more detergents than Shell. They don't seem to advertise specific levels.
Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
I guess BP is straining their top tier out of ocean water in the gulf, least we forget greed, corruption, short cuts, and lives lost and coastal water ways that are poluted forever and ever. You all dont truly believe that that oil in inlet waterways is now pristeen.......................
They're just doing our dirty work.
I guess BP is straining their top tier out of ocean water in the gulf, least we forget greed, corruption, short cuts, and lives lost and coastal water ways that are poluted forever and ever. You all dont truly believe that that oil in inlet waterways is now pristeen.......................
They're just doing our dirty work.
Originally Posted By: badtlc
BP has always exceeded Top Tier standards. They actually use more detergents than Shell. I think top tier mandates 3x the federal minimum. From what I have read on manufacturer websites:
1) Top Tier minimum is 3x (federal minimum)
2) Conoco Phillips is 3.5x
3) Shell is 5x
4) BP was tested at the pump by some news station and had more detergents than Shell. They don't seem to advertise specific levels.
Top Tier is a performance standard, not a detergent level standard. The detergent levels may be higher but that doesn't mean much if they are using ineffective detergents.
BP has always exceeded Top Tier standards. They actually use more detergents than Shell. I think top tier mandates 3x the federal minimum. From what I have read on manufacturer websites:
1) Top Tier minimum is 3x (federal minimum)
2) Conoco Phillips is 3.5x
3) Shell is 5x
4) BP was tested at the pump by some news station and had more detergents than Shell. They don't seem to advertise specific levels.
Top Tier is a performance standard, not a detergent level standard. The detergent levels may be higher but that doesn't mean much if they are using ineffective detergents.
Originally Posted By: JavierG
Does that mean ARCO is top tier? Aren't they a BP company?
No. They may meet or exceed TT standards (which they claim to do and BP going TT makes that claim seem more valid) but TT certification is by retailer, not parent company, which is why Chevron and Texaco are listed separately, ditto for Phillips 66, Conoco, and 76, and Exxon and Mobil.
Does that mean ARCO is top tier? Aren't they a BP company?
No. They may meet or exceed TT standards (which they claim to do and BP going TT makes that claim seem more valid) but TT certification is by retailer, not parent company, which is why Chevron and Texaco are listed separately, ditto for Phillips 66, Conoco, and 76, and Exxon and Mobil.
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We only seem to care about the potential for pollution disasters AFTER one happens. The truth is that we still have very little interest in conservation and cleaner alternatives. It's all about cheap oil. The BP foul up is very bad until the NEXT foul up happens, which it will. As we go farther out into the ocean, deeper, and try more novel approaches to extracting oil from previously non-viable deposits there will be spills aplenty.
If you put your money where your mouth is and purchased the best fuel economy you could, bravo. You are, at least, trying. When I look at what's driving around on the roads here I KNOW that gas is still too cheap.
If you put your money where your mouth is and purchased the best fuel economy you could, bravo. You are, at least, trying. When I look at what's driving around on the roads here I KNOW that gas is still too cheap.
Originally Posted By: NMBurb02
Top Tier is a performance standard, not a detergent level standard. The detergent levels may be higher but that doesn't mean much if they are using ineffective detergents.
While it is mainly performance based, that performance is determined by submitted and approved additive packages.
Here is what conoco says:
http://www.conoco.com/quality_fuel.aspx
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Being a good car owner just got a lot easier, as our gas now has 3 times more detergent additive than the minimum required by the EPA. Not only that, it also has 30% more than the minimum level specified in the TOP TIER® Detergent Gasoline standard recommended by major car manufacturers.* Every drop has been carefully designed with just the right amount of engine-cleaning power to avoid the side effects that can be caused by overtreating. It's everything a trusty companion like your car deserves.
And yes, my ratios listed above are a bit off. That is what I get trying to go by memory. Shell does state they are 5x federal minimum, though.
Top Tier is a performance standard, not a detergent level standard. The detergent levels may be higher but that doesn't mean much if they are using ineffective detergents.
While it is mainly performance based, that performance is determined by submitted and approved additive packages.
Here is what conoco says:
http://www.conoco.com/quality_fuel.aspx
Quote:
Being a good car owner just got a lot easier, as our gas now has 3 times more detergent additive than the minimum required by the EPA. Not only that, it also has 30% more than the minimum level specified in the TOP TIER® Detergent Gasoline standard recommended by major car manufacturers.* Every drop has been carefully designed with just the right amount of engine-cleaning power to avoid the side effects that can be caused by overtreating. It's everything a trusty companion like your car deserves.
And yes, my ratios listed above are a bit off. That is what I get trying to go by memory. Shell does state they are 5x federal minimum, though.
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Originally Posted By: badtlc
BP has always exceeded Top Tier standards. They actually use more detergents than Shell. I think top tier mandates 3x the federal minimum. From what I have read on manufacturer websites:
1) Top Tier minimum is 3x (federal minimum)
2) Conoco Phillips is 3.5x
3) Shell is 5x
4) BP was tested at the pump by some news station and had more detergents than Shell. They don't seem to advertise specific levels.
With Shell, I knew their website said that the V-Power had 5x the federal minimum. Although the regular and midgrade also have strong levels (I use their 87 myself as you can see by my signature), I believe the number was less than 5x the fed minimum.
BP has always exceeded Top Tier standards. They actually use more detergents than Shell. I think top tier mandates 3x the federal minimum. From what I have read on manufacturer websites:
1) Top Tier minimum is 3x (federal minimum)
2) Conoco Phillips is 3.5x
3) Shell is 5x
4) BP was tested at the pump by some news station and had more detergents than Shell. They don't seem to advertise specific levels.
With Shell, I knew their website said that the V-Power had 5x the federal minimum. Although the regular and midgrade also have strong levels (I use their 87 myself as you can see by my signature), I believe the number was less than 5x the fed minimum.
Oops, saw that someone else already mentioned it. Sorry about the repost.
Originally Posted By: whip
Originally Posted By: wemay
I guess they now 'meet the standards'
Or maybe they just paid the fee?
Seriously, I'd like to know how BP changed their formula to meet the standard.
They didn't. They already had one of the highest detergent levels in fuel a few years ago. They at that time didnt participate in top tier because they said it was a "marketing gimmick." Looks like they changed their mind and paid the Top Tier fee.
Originally Posted By: wemay
I guess they now 'meet the standards'
Or maybe they just paid the fee?
Seriously, I'd like to know how BP changed their formula to meet the standard.
They didn't. They already had one of the highest detergent levels in fuel a few years ago. They at that time didnt participate in top tier because they said it was a "marketing gimmick." Looks like they changed their mind and paid the Top Tier fee.
I like how they list Texaco and Chevron as different companies, as well as Exxon and Mobil, good way to make your list sound bigger.
Originally Posted By: volk06
Originally Posted By: whip
Originally Posted By: wemay
I guess they now 'meet the standards'
Or maybe they just paid the fee?
Seriously, I'd like to know how BP changed their formula to meet the standard.
They didn't. They already had one of the highest detergent levels in fuel a few years ago. They at that time didnt participate in top tier because they said it was a "marketing gimmick." Looks like they changed their mind and paid the Top Tier fee.
So ah, how steep is this fee and where are the documents that list it?
Originally Posted By: whip
Originally Posted By: wemay
I guess they now 'meet the standards'
Or maybe they just paid the fee?
Seriously, I'd like to know how BP changed their formula to meet the standard.
They didn't. They already had one of the highest detergent levels in fuel a few years ago. They at that time didnt participate in top tier because they said it was a "marketing gimmick." Looks like they changed their mind and paid the Top Tier fee.
So ah, how steep is this fee and where are the documents that list it?
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