Can someone explain how Boron is used in motor oil compared to moly? Example PYB went form having 100ppm moly and 0ppm boron to 0 moly and 100ppm boron. I know there is more to motor oil then this, but can someone explain this to me, wouldn't it be better to use both??? Just a question, I know that it is not a simple one to answer.
Boron in Motor Oil instead of Moly
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Originally Posted By: bfrey64
Can someone explain how Boron is used in motor oil compared to moly? Example PYB went form having 100ppm moly and 0ppm boron to 0 moly and 100ppm boron. I know there is more to motor oil then this, but can someone explain this to me, wouldn't it be better to use both??? Just a question, I know that it is not a simple one to answer.
There is a new tech out there called nano-boric acid, that is very effective as a friction reducer. Pennzoil doesn't use it in this form, it is a cleaning agent here, but in the boric acid form, it seems to exceed moly in terms of how well it works.
Can someone explain how Boron is used in motor oil compared to moly? Example PYB went form having 100ppm moly and 0ppm boron to 0 moly and 100ppm boron. I know there is more to motor oil then this, but can someone explain this to me, wouldn't it be better to use both??? Just a question, I know that it is not a simple one to answer.
There is a new tech out there called nano-boric acid, that is very effective as a friction reducer. Pennzoil doesn't use it in this form, it is a cleaning agent here, but in the boric acid form, it seems to exceed moly in terms of how well it works.
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Originally Posted By: bfrey64
Can someone explain how Boron is used in motor oil compared to moly? Example PYB went form having 100ppm moly and 0ppm boron to 0 moly and 100ppm boron. I know there is more to motor oil then this, but can someone explain this to me, wouldn't it be better to use both??? Just a question, I know that it is not a simple one to answer.
There is a new tech out there called nano-boric acid, that is very effective as a friction reducer. Pennzoil doesn't use it in this form, it is a cleaning agent here, but in the boric acid form, it seems to exceed moly in terms of how well it works.
Why stop using the moly? I thought that moly protected the engine and wasn't a cleaning agent. How does this work?
Originally Posted By: bfrey64
Can someone explain how Boron is used in motor oil compared to moly? Example PYB went form having 100ppm moly and 0ppm boron to 0 moly and 100ppm boron. I know there is more to motor oil then this, but can someone explain this to me, wouldn't it be better to use both??? Just a question, I know that it is not a simple one to answer.
There is a new tech out there called nano-boric acid, that is very effective as a friction reducer. Pennzoil doesn't use it in this form, it is a cleaning agent here, but in the boric acid form, it seems to exceed moly in terms of how well it works.
Why stop using the moly? I thought that moly protected the engine and wasn't a cleaning agent. How does this work?
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Nano borate is likely cheaper than moly.
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Originally Posted By: rudolphna
There is a new tech out there called nano-boric acid, that is very effective as a friction reducer. Pennzoil doesn't use it in this form, it is a cleaning agent here
Not if you believe the Pennzoil Q&A...
13. A VOA performed on this board showed a significant amount of boron in the formulation of Pennzoil Ultra™.
The function of the boron in Pennzoil Ultra™ formulations is one of protection for non-ferrous metals and sealing materials.
There is a new tech out there called nano-boric acid, that is very effective as a friction reducer. Pennzoil doesn't use it in this form, it is a cleaning agent here
Not if you believe the Pennzoil Q&A...
13. A VOA performed on this board showed a significant amount of boron in the formulation of Pennzoil Ultra™.
The function of the boron in Pennzoil Ultra™ formulations is one of protection for non-ferrous metals and sealing materials.
I have a feeling moly is being cut back because of price too. There was a thread a while back stating that China IIRC is buying a lot of Moly driving prices higher.
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
There is a new tech out there called nano-boric acid, that is very effective as a friction reducer. Pennzoil doesn't use it in this form, it is a cleaning agent here
Not if you believe the Pennzoil Q&A...
13. A VOA performed on this board showed a significant amount of boron in the formulation of Pennzoil Ultra™.
The function of the boron in Pennzoil Ultra™ formulations is one of protection for non-ferrous metals and sealing materials.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/cms/index....2&Itemid=80
Read farther down. They seem to make it clear that any boron in the oil is not in the form of nano-boric acid.
"55. Does Pennzoil Ultra™ use nano-boric acid as an anti-wear/fuel saving add.
No, the boron in the formulation is used to protect non-ferrous metals and oil seals."
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
There is a new tech out there called nano-boric acid, that is very effective as a friction reducer. Pennzoil doesn't use it in this form, it is a cleaning agent here
Not if you believe the Pennzoil Q&A...
13. A VOA performed on this board showed a significant amount of boron in the formulation of Pennzoil Ultra™.
The function of the boron in Pennzoil Ultra™ formulations is one of protection for non-ferrous metals and sealing materials.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/cms/index....2&Itemid=80
Read farther down. They seem to make it clear that any boron in the oil is not in the form of nano-boric acid.
"55. Does Pennzoil Ultra™ use nano-boric acid as an anti-wear/fuel saving add.
No, the boron in the formulation is used to protect non-ferrous metals and oil seals."
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Yea, but the point was it isn't acting as a detergent. I would like to know what form they are using though.
It probably all isn't being used as a protector. Alot of other oils use it as a detergent, so some of it is probably used for that too, but who can say for sure except pennzoil.
Yea, but the point was it isn't acting as a detergent. I would like to know what form they are using though.
It probably all isn't being used as a protector. Alot of other oils use it as a detergent, so some of it is probably used for that too, but who can say for sure except pennzoil.
I think I have read that though moly isn't a cleaner, it does aid the oil in resisting oxidation which in turn can aid the cleaning ability of the oil. I like moly oils such as Schaeffer and Royal Purple and I fully realize there are some great oils that use no moly.
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Try this White Paper:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/boron-additives.57848/
Thanks for posting that, very interesting and I learned a lot.
Try this White Paper:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/boron-additives.57848/
Thanks for posting that, very interesting and I learned a lot.
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