Originally Posted by wag123
Originally Posted by edyvw
time will tell how they going to stack up when Toyota or others offer full EV.
Toyota already offers a full EV, and they have moved right past battery technology in doing so. The Toyota Mirai is a hydrogen fuel cell powered EV and is available now in limited areas (where the necessary hydrogen refueling infrastructure exists). This is not currently a viable EV option for everyone, yet, but in the future it might very well become
THE EV technology of choice. The Mirai is much more advanced than any other EV on the market, including Tesla, and Toyota is
WAY ahead of everyone else in this space. Furthermore, the price of the Mirai is about the same as a well equipped Tesla Model 3, and it is a real usable 5-passenger car, not a mini or micro car. Hyundai announced that they are developing hydrogen fuel cell powered EVs, and the Chinese are also rumored to be developing them. My question is this, what if anything are the American and German manufacturers doing to try and compete in this space?
https://ssl.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.html?
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/18/700877189/japan-is-betting-big-on-the-future-of-hydrogen-cars
Hydrogen is laughable.
The entire energy chain end to end has so many conversions the efficiency is way off just charging a battery
use a ton of energy to crack it from water
use tons of energy to compress and liquify it
use more energy to transport it
Build a dedicated station to supply it
Pump it back into an auto -
convert it back to electricity to power the vehicle
VS plug the car into your house.
Toyota is ahead in this space because no one else bothers.
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