BITOG blend motor oil?

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I have been reading about base stocks and additive components and all kinds of stuff, and I know I don't have the understanding of all the chemistry and properties and formulas to blend things but a few people here might.

I was thinking of, for example, what the components of a synthetic oil with the following goal in mind would be, who manufactures them and what proportion the blend would be?

I'm not looking for some miracle elixir I was just thinking with a target, what would it take? I know there is much more testing and testing and testing involved, but I am curious what the starting point would be.

The goal for this oil is a "replacement" for most 20 weight and some 30 weight applications. The drain interval target would be 15,000 miles at the most in applications the manufacturer recommends 5,000 miles typically. Low wear, good drain intervals, some fuel economy improvement, cleanliness and seal compatibility. Price is less of a concern.

SAE grade: 0W-20

Kinematic viscosity at 100 degrees C: 9.0 (shears no lower than 8.5)

HT/HS viscosity: 2.7 (shears no lower than 2.6)

Pour point: -48 Celsius or better, -54 would be the point to stop pursuing gains there.

ZDDP level, or anti-wear additive equivalent to 1200 ppm. High phosphate retention type if possible to protect emissions control systems. Sulfated ash and volatility have to be kept to a reasonable level for this as well.

TBN or TBN retention to make it last to 15,000 miles.

Oxidation resistance to try to keep the oil from no higher than a high 30 weight after 15,000 miles.

Retail target price: $7 to $9 per quart if at all possible.

This oil would not be API approved, or maybe as an SL oil due to additive content, SM performance would be great but the API/GF-4 rating can be compromised in order to meet other goals. Low foam, low deposit, low volatility, etc.

The base would likely be PAO with ester for polarity and seal swell, and maybe alkylated napthalene for additive solubility. What kind of blend would it take to do this and in what proportion for this fictional oil? Could a group III+ base be used for the bulk and offer high performance while keeping the price down? The higher the viscosity index possible without VI improvers, especially if it improves the performance at lower oil temperatures significantly, the better.

Friction modifiers is another good one, what is out there? I assume this oil may end up loaded with the soluble type of moly (I can't remember, not molybdenum disulfide but the other kind.)

I keep looking around at all kinds of stuff and I think I understand the components and what they do, it's the proportion and logic behind the proportioning that trips me up.
 
I know there's lots out there that do the job, I am trying to understand what makes them do the job and how it gets there. To think outside the box, you must first be able to understand what the box actually is. I think this could be a big learning experience and clarifcation for BITOGers of what actually goes into an oil and why, what the components are and how they effect the performance to achieve the goals of the organization requiring or designing the product.
 
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This sounds like a job for Bruce381!
 
I would buy that...but I have a feeling any oil like that would be more expensive that your prices indicate.

I would prefer a higher HT/HS...perhaps similar to Redline 5w-20 at around 3.0.
 
The limit for SAE 20 for HT/HS viscosity is 2.6 minimum, and for 30 is 2.9 minimum. 2.6 seems to be the lowest reasonable limit to offer good protection while minimizing parasitic losses from the oil.

Some oils are slippery, this stuff has to be really, really slippery. The ideal situation is to be able to use it in any application an energy conserving 20/30 weight oil is in a safe and sane way. It is not for applications requiring something like an A3 oil.
 
The HT/HS viscosity is directly proportional to fuel economy, so a 3.0 HT/HS oil in a 20 weight would be no better for mileage than a 3.0 HT/HS 10w30.

This is not really intended to be an oil for high performance engines but rather intended to be an oil for most typical engines to extend drains and get the value out of it without resorting to bypass filtration, and offer fuel mileage benefits in engines designed for "light" 30 weights like the 5w30s of yesteryear that would shear down to a 5W-20 in a thousand miles anyways. By being synthetic, low temperature and short trip performance can be greatly improved, offering more benefits on that end of things, and through a robust additive package as proven by Bruceblend 0W-10, offer equal anti-wear performance to heavier oils.
 
I find it funny that with such good oils in the US market, and millions of $ spent testing them, that one would want to waste time and a few million more.
There are so many factors that go into RESULTS that people playing with mixtures, additives, and viscosities can easily take the wrong road.
I study and analyze used oil every day, and studied many more spec and msds than I hoped to for the paper I put together. I'd suggest just reading it and putting your efforts into improving the things that are really wrong with the world.
 
I think everyone here is missing what I am getting at, I am not getting at wanting to blend my own oil but rather with a specific target how decisions are made in the initial blends of oil, what the components are, where they come from, and what the proportions are to achieve a certain goal. The one I threw out there was trying to hit a niche not really touched by oil manufacturers because it is a non-standard product.

Even just knowing what it would take to make a 5W-20 of decent quality would be interesting.
 
Originally Posted By: widman
I'd suggest just reading it and putting your efforts into improving the things that are really wrong with the world.


A hi mpg 15,000 mile oil that can be used in the majority of 5w20 and 5w30 spec'd vehicles out there would go a ways to improving things that are wrong with the world. Watch tonite's news and you'll see what I mean.

:)

Which brings us back to Schaeffers (9000 5w30) and Amsoil (SSO).
 
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