bill in 18 states to remove your ammo
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Originally Posted By: mcshooter
all it takes is a stroke of the pen.
Pa. is falling into line with the rest of the N.E. and has this bill on their agenda. This is certainly a back door way of tightening the screws. I contacted my state senator and rep.
I'm sure it will pass in some of the People's Republic States.
all it takes is a stroke of the pen.
Pa. is falling into line with the rest of the N.E. and has this bill on their agenda. This is certainly a back door way of tightening the screws. I contacted my state senator and rep.
I'm sure it will pass in some of the People's Republic States.
Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: mcshooter
all it takes is a stroke of the pen.
Pa. is falling into line with the rest of the N.E. and has this bill on their agenda. This is certainly a back door way of tightening the screws. I contacted my state senator and rep.
I'm sure it will pass in some of the People's Republic States.
Thank you AL! More people need to let their "leaders"
know what is important.
I've written all of mine and told them *if* they even think about looking at @#$%^ like this, I'll have a new hobby;
Get them OUT of office.
Bill
Originally Posted By: mcshooter
all it takes is a stroke of the pen.
Pa. is falling into line with the rest of the N.E. and has this bill on their agenda. This is certainly a back door way of tightening the screws. I contacted my state senator and rep.
I'm sure it will pass in some of the People's Republic States.
Thank you AL! More people need to let their "leaders"
I've written all of mine and told them *if* they even think about looking at @#$%^ like this, I'll have a new hobby;
Get them OUT of office.
Bill
"The definition of a criminal is one who does not obey the law - so how is this new gun control law you support going to stop crime?"
Criminals don't make their guns anymore, and they don't even need to steal them in a lot of cases as a number of 'law abiding' gun owners and dealers are more than willing to sell guns to anyone, as long as they can make money. Almost all school shooters used guns from their houses, at Columbine they used straw purchased weapons from gun shows and no one was prosecuted as no laws were broken. One of the more effective portions of laws passed in the early 90s were stricter requirements on FFL holders as a lot were 'kitchen table dealers' who were selling weapons that ended up being used in crimes. The number of FFL holders dropped by something like half, which stemmed a lot of questionable sales.
If owners and dealers would quit selling guns to criminals people wouldn't have a reason to demand stricter laws. The NFA is a case in point as the much stricter regulation of NFA weapons has resulted in few being used in crimes over the years compared to non-NFA weapons, by legal oweners or otherwise.
Criminals don't make their guns anymore, and they don't even need to steal them in a lot of cases as a number of 'law abiding' gun owners and dealers are more than willing to sell guns to anyone, as long as they can make money. Almost all school shooters used guns from their houses, at Columbine they used straw purchased weapons from gun shows and no one was prosecuted as no laws were broken. One of the more effective portions of laws passed in the early 90s were stricter requirements on FFL holders as a lot were 'kitchen table dealers' who were selling weapons that ended up being used in crimes. The number of FFL holders dropped by something like half, which stemmed a lot of questionable sales.
If owners and dealers would quit selling guns to criminals people wouldn't have a reason to demand stricter laws. The NFA is a case in point as the much stricter regulation of NFA weapons has resulted in few being used in crimes over the years compared to non-NFA weapons, by legal oweners or otherwise.
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If owners and dealers would quit selling guns to criminals people wouldn't have a reason to demand stricter laws. The NFA is a case in point as the much stricter regulation of NFA weapons has resulted in few being used in crimes over the years compared to non-NFA weapons, by legal oweners or otherwise.
There have been NO legally owned NFA weapons used in a crime since the 1930's. Even with this, they still "had" to close the registration roles in the 1980's. Gun control has nothing to do with "public safety". It's all about removing people's rights.
If owners and dealers would quit selling guns to criminals people wouldn't have a reason to demand stricter laws. The NFA is a case in point as the much stricter regulation of NFA weapons has resulted in few being used in crimes over the years compared to non-NFA weapons, by legal oweners or otherwise.
There have been NO legally owned NFA weapons used in a crime since the 1930's. Even with this, they still "had" to close the registration roles in the 1980's. Gun control has nothing to do with "public safety". It's all about removing people's rights.
"There have been NO legally owned NFA weapons used in a crime since the 1930's."
Not true, but only two incidents are commonly cited, and even crimes involving illegally owned machine guns are relatively rare. Gee, tracking of individual weapons, finger print and background checks plus signed letters from law enforcement seems like a fairly effective program. The NFA was evidently enacted in reaction to an assassination attempt on FDR where the mayor of Chicago was killed, and the backdrop of violence among gangsters. It seems Caopone the started the arms race among gangsters after buying a few machine guns at a hardwrae store; don't sell firearms to people who will misuse them and laws won't get passed. Instead we can fast forward over half a century to gun shows in Portland where again obvious gang bangers are buying firearms, producing the obvious reaction of more gun laws.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html
Since 1934, there appear to have been at least two homicides committed with legally owned automatic weapons. One was a murder committed by a law enforcement officer (as opposed to a civilian). On September 15th, 1988, a 13-year veteran of the Dayton, Ohio police department, Patrolman Roger Waller, then 32, used his fully automatic MAC-11 .380 caliber submachine gun to kill a police informant, 52-year-old Lawrence Hileman. Patrolman Waller pleaded guilty in 1990, and he and an accomplice were sentenced to 18 years in prison. The 1986 'ban' on sales of new machine guns does not apply to purchases by law enforcement or government agencies.
The other homicide, possibly involving a legally owned machine gun, occurred on September 14, 1992, also in Ohio (source).
Crime Involving Illegally Owned Machine Guns
Again in Targeting Guns, Kleck writes, four police officers were killed in the line of duty by machine guns from 1983 to 1992. (713 law enforcement officers were killed during that period, 651 with guns.)
In 1980, when Miami's homicide rate was at an all-time high, less than 1% of all homicides involved machine guns. (Miami was supposedly a "machine gun Mecca" and drug trafficking capital of the U.S.) Although there are no national figures to compare to, machine gun deaths were probably lower elsewhere. Kleck cites several examples:
Of 2,200 guns recovered by Minneapolis police (1987-1989), not one was fully automatic.
A total of 420 weapons, including 375 guns, were seized during drug warrant executions and arrests by the Metropolitan Area Narcotics Squad (Will and Grundie counties in the Chicago metropolitan area, 1980-1989). None of the guns was a machine gun.
16 of 2,359 (0.7%) of the guns seized in the Detroit area (1991-1992) in connection with "the investigation of narcotics trafficking operations" were machine guns.
Not true, but only two incidents are commonly cited, and even crimes involving illegally owned machine guns are relatively rare. Gee, tracking of individual weapons, finger print and background checks plus signed letters from law enforcement seems like a fairly effective program. The NFA was evidently enacted in reaction to an assassination attempt on FDR where the mayor of Chicago was killed, and the backdrop of violence among gangsters. It seems Caopone the started the arms race among gangsters after buying a few machine guns at a hardwrae store; don't sell firearms to people who will misuse them and laws won't get passed. Instead we can fast forward over half a century to gun shows in Portland where again obvious gang bangers are buying firearms, producing the obvious reaction of more gun laws.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html
Since 1934, there appear to have been at least two homicides committed with legally owned automatic weapons. One was a murder committed by a law enforcement officer (as opposed to a civilian). On September 15th, 1988, a 13-year veteran of the Dayton, Ohio police department, Patrolman Roger Waller, then 32, used his fully automatic MAC-11 .380 caliber submachine gun to kill a police informant, 52-year-old Lawrence Hileman. Patrolman Waller pleaded guilty in 1990, and he and an accomplice were sentenced to 18 years in prison. The 1986 'ban' on sales of new machine guns does not apply to purchases by law enforcement or government agencies.
The other homicide, possibly involving a legally owned machine gun, occurred on September 14, 1992, also in Ohio (source).
Crime Involving Illegally Owned Machine Guns
Again in Targeting Guns, Kleck writes, four police officers were killed in the line of duty by machine guns from 1983 to 1992. (713 law enforcement officers were killed during that period, 651 with guns.)
In 1980, when Miami's homicide rate was at an all-time high, less than 1% of all homicides involved machine guns. (Miami was supposedly a "machine gun Mecca" and drug trafficking capital of the U.S.) Although there are no national figures to compare to, machine gun deaths were probably lower elsewhere. Kleck cites several examples:
Of 2,200 guns recovered by Minneapolis police (1987-1989), not one was fully automatic.
A total of 420 weapons, including 375 guns, were seized during drug warrant executions and arrests by the Metropolitan Area Narcotics Squad (Will and Grundie counties in the Chicago metropolitan area, 1980-1989). None of the guns was a machine gun.
16 of 2,359 (0.7%) of the guns seized in the Detroit area (1991-1992) in connection with "the investigation of narcotics trafficking operations" were machine guns.
blah blah blah
And MILLIONS of times per YEAR a weapon is used to defend the owner from harm. Most of the time WITH OUT even firing a SINGLE shot.
Armed Citizen
Self protection with firearms
ACTUAL reports of people using Firearms to protect life and property
Don't see you quoting that?
And even more times, people use guns in safe forms of recreation with not harming anything.
Don't see you quoting that.
And I've seen police call a AR-15 a machine gun.
Places that have concealed permits and support gun ownership have lower crime rates.
Places with restrictive gun ownership have high rates.
Just remember, when seconds count... The police take minutes. (They do take reports though)
You don't want a gun fine. Don't get one.
But don't you dare try to take away one of our rights.
I know if someone tries to harm my family or property I'll do two things. Call 911. If the scum does not take off and comes closer he will be taken away in a body bag. (if he is lucky)
You can wait for the police and hope all is well.
Bill
PS: Never did see your response to above posts.
And MILLIONS of times per YEAR a weapon is used to defend the owner from harm. Most of the time WITH OUT even firing a SINGLE shot.
Armed Citizen
Self protection with firearms
ACTUAL reports of people using Firearms to protect life and property
Don't see you quoting that?
And even more times, people use guns in safe forms of recreation with not harming anything.
Don't see you quoting that.
And I've seen police call a AR-15 a machine gun.
Places that have concealed permits and support gun ownership have lower crime rates.
Places with restrictive gun ownership have high rates.
Just remember, when seconds count... The police take minutes. (They do take reports though)
You don't want a gun fine. Don't get one.
But don't you dare try to take away one of our rights.
I know if someone tries to harm my family or property I'll do two things. Call 911. If the scum does not take off and comes closer he will be taken away in a body bag. (if he is lucky)
You can wait for the police and hope all is well.
Bill
PS: Never did see your response to above posts.
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Not true, but only two incidents are commonly cited, and even crimes involving illegally owned machine guns are relatively rare.
Yes, you are right. I had forgotten that a POLICE OFFICER killing someone with a legally owned machine gun was about the only proven exception.
You are right that law enforcement (you have to love that term as opposed to peace officer) AGENCIES can still own machine guns. The historical record makes you wonder if that is a good practice considering a POLICE OFFICER was about the only person to use a legally possessed machine gun in a crime since the 1930's.
Not true, but only two incidents are commonly cited, and even crimes involving illegally owned machine guns are relatively rare.
Yes, you are right. I had forgotten that a POLICE OFFICER killing someone with a legally owned machine gun was about the only proven exception.
You are right that law enforcement (you have to love that term as opposed to peace officer) AGENCIES can still own machine guns. The historical record makes you wonder if that is a good practice considering a POLICE OFFICER was about the only person to use a legally possessed machine gun in a crime since the 1930's.
Lets just get rid of cars..they kill more people than guns.
"blah blah blah
And MILLIONS of times per YEAR a weapon is used to defend the owner from harm. Most of the time WITH OUT even firing a SINGLE shot."
??? The thread is about 'gun (ammo) control', the discussion has been about 'gun (ammo) control', and in the middle of the discussion you follow up an intelligent reply with a statement about one of the utility of firearms. Gee, some people use guns for hunting, some people use them target shooting.....
And MILLIONS of times per YEAR a weapon is used to defend the owner from harm. Most of the time WITH OUT even firing a SINGLE shot."
??? The thread is about 'gun (ammo) control', the discussion has been about 'gun (ammo) control', and in the middle of the discussion you follow up an intelligent reply with a statement about one of the utility of firearms. Gee, some people use guns for hunting, some people use them target shooting.....
"Places that have concealed permits and support gun ownership have lower crime rates."
The 'south' has typically had higher rates of firearm ownership over the years, and has also traditionally had the highest homicide rates. I haven't looked recently but you can probably find that it's still the case with homicide rates vs region by checking the FBI Uniform Crime Reports which are published each year and are availble on line.
The 'south' has typically had higher rates of firearm ownership over the years, and has also traditionally had the highest homicide rates. I haven't looked recently but you can probably find that it's still the case with homicide rates vs region by checking the FBI Uniform Crime Reports which are published each year and are availble on line.
Originally Posted By: 1sttruck
"blah blah blah
And MILLIONS of times per YEAR a weapon is used to defend the owner from harm. Most of the time WITH OUT even firing a SINGLE shot."
??? The thread is about 'gun (ammo) control', the discussion has been about 'gun (ammo) control', and in the middle of the discussion you follow up an intelligent reply with a statement about one of the utility of firearms. Gee, some people use guns for hunting, some people use them target shooting.....
Amazing.
Here is your post above if you are really serious about this thread being about ammo...
PLEASE TELL ME WHERE YOU STATED ANY THING ABOUT AMMO IN THE FOLLOW POST;
Originally Posted By: 1sttruck
"There have been NO legally owned NFA weapons used in a crime since the 1930's."
Not true, but only two incidents are commonly cited, and even crimes involving illegally owned machine guns are relatively rare. Gee, tracking of individual weapons, finger print and background checks plus signed letters from law enforcement seems like a fairly effective program. The NFA was evidently enacted in reaction to an assassination attempt on FDR where the mayor of Chicago was killed, and the backdrop of violence among gangsters. It seems Caopone the started the arms race among gangsters after buying a few machine guns at a hardwrae store; don't sell firearms to people who will misuse them and laws won't get passed. Instead we can fast forward over half a century to gun shows in Portland where again obvious gang bangers are buying firearms, producing the obvious reaction of more gun laws.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html
Since 1934, there appear to have been at least two homicides committed with legally owned automatic weapons. One was a murder committed by a law enforcement officer (as opposed to a civilian). On September 15th, 1988, a 13-year veteran of the Dayton, Ohio police department, Patrolman Roger Waller, then 32, used his fully automatic MAC-11 .380 caliber submachine gun to kill a police informant, 52-year-old Lawrence Hileman. Patrolman Waller pleaded guilty in 1990, and he and an accomplice were sentenced to 18 years in prison. The 1986 'ban' on sales of new machine guns does not apply to purchases by law enforcement or government agencies.
The other homicide, possibly involving a legally owned machine gun, occurred on September 14, 1992, also in Ohio (source).
Crime Involving Illegally Owned Machine Guns
Again in Targeting Guns, Kleck writes, four police officers were killed in the line of duty by machine guns from 1983 to 1992. (713 law enforcement officers were killed during that period, 651 with guns.)
In 1980, when Miami's homicide rate was at an all-time high, less than 1% of all homicides involved machine guns. (Miami was supposedly a "machine gun Mecca" and drug trafficking capital of the U.S.) Although there are no national figures to compare to, machine gun deaths were probably lower elsewhere. Kleck cites several examples:
Of 2,200 guns recovered by Minneapolis police (1987-1989), not one was fully automatic.
A total of 420 weapons, including 375 guns, were seized during drug warrant executions and arrests by the Metropolitan Area Narcotics Squad (Will and Grundie counties in the Chicago metropolitan area, 1980-1989). None of the guns was a machine gun.
16 of 2,359 (0.7%) of the guns seized in the Detroit area (1991-1992) in connection with "the investigation of narcotics trafficking operations" were machine guns.
Yea, loaded with tons of "intelligent" discussion about ammo.
You prove my point. Thank you.
"blah blah blah
And MILLIONS of times per YEAR a weapon is used to defend the owner from harm. Most of the time WITH OUT even firing a SINGLE shot."
??? The thread is about 'gun (ammo) control', the discussion has been about 'gun (ammo) control', and in the middle of the discussion you follow up an intelligent reply with a statement about one of the utility of firearms. Gee, some people use guns for hunting, some people use them target shooting.....
Amazing.
Here is your post above if you are really serious about this thread being about ammo...
PLEASE TELL ME WHERE YOU STATED ANY THING ABOUT AMMO IN THE FOLLOW POST;
Originally Posted By: 1sttruck
"There have been NO legally owned NFA weapons used in a crime since the 1930's."
Not true, but only two incidents are commonly cited, and even crimes involving illegally owned machine guns are relatively rare. Gee, tracking of individual weapons, finger print and background checks plus signed letters from law enforcement seems like a fairly effective program. The NFA was evidently enacted in reaction to an assassination attempt on FDR where the mayor of Chicago was killed, and the backdrop of violence among gangsters. It seems Caopone the started the arms race among gangsters after buying a few machine guns at a hardwrae store; don't sell firearms to people who will misuse them and laws won't get passed. Instead we can fast forward over half a century to gun shows in Portland where again obvious gang bangers are buying firearms, producing the obvious reaction of more gun laws.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html
Since 1934, there appear to have been at least two homicides committed with legally owned automatic weapons. One was a murder committed by a law enforcement officer (as opposed to a civilian). On September 15th, 1988, a 13-year veteran of the Dayton, Ohio police department, Patrolman Roger Waller, then 32, used his fully automatic MAC-11 .380 caliber submachine gun to kill a police informant, 52-year-old Lawrence Hileman. Patrolman Waller pleaded guilty in 1990, and he and an accomplice were sentenced to 18 years in prison. The 1986 'ban' on sales of new machine guns does not apply to purchases by law enforcement or government agencies.
The other homicide, possibly involving a legally owned machine gun, occurred on September 14, 1992, also in Ohio (source).
Crime Involving Illegally Owned Machine Guns
Again in Targeting Guns, Kleck writes, four police officers were killed in the line of duty by machine guns from 1983 to 1992. (713 law enforcement officers were killed during that period, 651 with guns.)
In 1980, when Miami's homicide rate was at an all-time high, less than 1% of all homicides involved machine guns. (Miami was supposedly a "machine gun Mecca" and drug trafficking capital of the U.S.) Although there are no national figures to compare to, machine gun deaths were probably lower elsewhere. Kleck cites several examples:
Of 2,200 guns recovered by Minneapolis police (1987-1989), not one was fully automatic.
A total of 420 weapons, including 375 guns, were seized during drug warrant executions and arrests by the Metropolitan Area Narcotics Squad (Will and Grundie counties in the Chicago metropolitan area, 1980-1989). None of the guns was a machine gun.
16 of 2,359 (0.7%) of the guns seized in the Detroit area (1991-1992) in connection with "the investigation of narcotics trafficking operations" were machine guns.
Yea, loaded with tons of "intelligent" discussion about ammo.
You prove my point. Thank you.
Originally Posted By: 1sttruck
"Places that have concealed permits and support gun ownership have lower crime rates."
The 'south' has typically had higher rates of firearm ownership over the years, and has also traditionally had the highest homicide rates. I haven't looked recently but you can probably find that it's still the case with homicide rates vs region by checking the FBI Uniform Crime Reports which are published each year and are availble on line.
We all need to look to Vermont, the state with the lowest crime rate in the nation. They also have the LEAST restrictive gun laws in the nation. You do not even need to have a CC permit to legally carry concealed. It's also a state that is notoriously on the left (they even have a senate rep from the American Socialist Party) but it proves that politics can be removed from 2nd Amendment arguments and common sense can prevail.
"Places that have concealed permits and support gun ownership have lower crime rates."
The 'south' has typically had higher rates of firearm ownership over the years, and has also traditionally had the highest homicide rates. I haven't looked recently but you can probably find that it's still the case with homicide rates vs region by checking the FBI Uniform Crime Reports which are published each year and are availble on line.
We all need to look to Vermont, the state with the lowest crime rate in the nation. They also have the LEAST restrictive gun laws in the nation. You do not even need to have a CC permit to legally carry concealed. It's also a state that is notoriously on the left (they even have a senate rep from the American Socialist Party) but it proves that politics can be removed from 2nd Amendment arguments and common sense can prevail.
kingrob,
Vermont's take on CC has always fascinated me. How Vermont's state government, given it's political makeup, has not added draconian restrictions to CC in that state is beyond my ability to explain.
There's always an exception to the rule; I suppose Vermont is it when it comes to CC.
Vermont's take on CC has always fascinated me. How Vermont's state government, given it's political makeup, has not added draconian restrictions to CC in that state is beyond my ability to explain.
There's always an exception to the rule; I suppose Vermont is it when it comes to CC.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Just curious: What happens to the guy that sold a legally obtained (store bought all paperwork filled out at time of sale) rifle/shotgun face to face without an FFL involved? It happens all the time here in NY and is perfectly legal. When it comes time to turn them in what does that person who sold the weapon do? Its no longer in his/her possession, a cash transaction no receipt?
Frank D
Support the NRA!
Some states it is legal (as it should) that a private party can sell another one a weapon as long as they are of age. If the buyer is not legal to own, then once they get caught, throw the book at them.
That happened here, a person sold a underage person a weapon and then the buyer used it in a crime. While the book was not thrown at him, he did get jail time and his loss of ownership for life.
Since that case, EVERYBODY checks for age and most people require a bill of sale for their own records verifying with a drivers license or CCW permit.
Thanks Bill,
To make it a little clearer. I am referring to long guns leagally sold years ago to a co-worker who resided in NYS. I no longer see this person or have any idea where he is now. No bill of sale or copy of his DL. If/when it comes time to turn them in what happens to a person who sold a rifle/shotgun under those conditions? Are they going to search his property for the gun/guns?
The NRA better be working OT for the next 4 years!
Frank D
As a Canadian that deals with the firearms registry, it is the worst designed piece of legislation ever created in Parliament. Ask ANY Canuck that owns a gun what they think about the firearms registry. I've yet to meet one person who agrees with it. On the other hand, I wish all the money spent on creating a poorly-designed paper trail were used to make a "one" system licensing system that could suspend the right to firearms ownership should one be convicted of a serious crime, become mentally unstable, etc.
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Just curious: What happens to the guy that sold a legally obtained (store bought all paperwork filled out at time of sale) rifle/shotgun face to face without an FFL involved? It happens all the time here in NY and is perfectly legal. When it comes time to turn them in what does that person who sold the weapon do? Its no longer in his/her possession, a cash transaction no receipt?
Frank D
Support the NRA!
Some states it is legal (as it should) that a private party can sell another one a weapon as long as they are of age. If the buyer is not legal to own, then once they get caught, throw the book at them.
That happened here, a person sold a underage person a weapon and then the buyer used it in a crime. While the book was not thrown at him, he did get jail time and his loss of ownership for life.
Since that case, EVERYBODY checks for age and most people require a bill of sale for their own records verifying with a drivers license or CCW permit.
Thanks Bill,
To make it a little clearer. I am referring to long guns leagally sold years ago to a co-worker who resided in NYS. I no longer see this person or have any idea where he is now. No bill of sale or copy of his DL. If/when it comes time to turn them in what happens to a person who sold a rifle/shotgun under those conditions? Are they going to search his property for the gun/guns?
The NRA better be working OT for the next 4 years!
Frank D
As a Canadian that deals with the firearms registry, it is the worst designed piece of legislation ever created in Parliament. Ask ANY Canuck that owns a gun what they think about the firearms registry. I've yet to meet one person who agrees with it. On the other hand, I wish all the money spent on creating a poorly-designed paper trail were used to make a "one" system licensing system that could suspend the right to firearms ownership should one be convicted of a serious crime, become mentally unstable, etc.
"We all need to look to Vermont, the state with the lowest crime rate in the nation. They also have the LEAST restrictive gun laws in the nation. You do not even need to have a CC permit to legally carry concealed. It's also a state that is notoriously on the left (they even have a senate rep from the American Socialist Party) but it proves that politics can be removed from 2nd Amendment arguments and common sense can prevail."
Vermont is a simple case of people not doing stupid things with guns and not selling to people who will do stupid things with guns, so people don't need no stinking gun laws. As mentioned early on at one time people in the US could mail order machine guns, no questions asked, but that's obviously not the case anymore.
Vermont is a simple case of people not doing stupid things with guns and not selling to people who will do stupid things with guns, so people don't need no stinking gun laws. As mentioned early on at one time people in the US could mail order machine guns, no questions asked, but that's obviously not the case anymore.
" "??? The thread is about 'gun (ammo) control', the discussion has been about 'gun (ammo) control',...."
Yea, loaded with tons of "intelligent" discussion about ammo."
I specifically stated guns too, see above. When you read it's best to read everything left to right, not skipping over anything, but if that's hard or if you have reading problems then reread it a few times to make sure you didn't miss anything.
Yea, loaded with tons of "intelligent" discussion about ammo."
I specifically stated guns too, see above. When you read it's best to read everything left to right, not skipping over anything, but if that's hard or if you have reading problems then reread it a few times to make sure you didn't miss anything.
Originally Posted By: 1sttruck
" "??? The thread is about 'gun (ammo) control', the discussion has been about 'gun (ammo) control',...."
Yea, loaded with tons of "intelligent" discussion about ammo."
I specifically stated guns too, see above. When you read it's best to read everything left to right, not skipping over anything, but if that's hard or if you have reading problems then reread it a few times to make sure you didn't miss anything.
Thanks for the tips.
Obvious you don't have any replies to actual postings and just want to continue with your machine gun posts. (which have nothing to do with any problems in today's world)
" "??? The thread is about 'gun (ammo) control', the discussion has been about 'gun (ammo) control',...."
Yea, loaded with tons of "intelligent" discussion about ammo."
I specifically stated guns too, see above. When you read it's best to read everything left to right, not skipping over anything, but if that's hard or if you have reading problems then reread it a few times to make sure you didn't miss anything.
Thanks for the tips.
Obvious you don't have any replies to actual postings and just want to continue with your machine gun posts. (which have nothing to do with any problems in today's world)
Originally Posted By: Al
Lets just get rid of cars..they kill more people than guns.
Al excellent idea. Since they are not in the Bill of Rights we should ban them BEFORE firearms. And since more people are killed and injured by them we should work on this first.
I'm sure we can get 1sttruck to post a "intelligent" reply to something other than machine guns.
Lets just get rid of cars..they kill more people than guns.
Al excellent idea. Since they are not in the Bill of Rights we should ban them BEFORE firearms. And since more people are killed and injured by them we should work on this first.
I'm sure we can get 1sttruck to post a "intelligent" reply to something other than machine guns.
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