best dino to leave in for 10,000 kms?

Volts Castillo · Feb 21, 2005

my sister's beater - a 96 civic automatic with a 1.5 non-vtec engine, needs a good dino, if there are any good enough, to last her until 10,000 kms, or 1 year of driving in mixed conditions.

this car is abused and gets virtually no maintenance apart from oil changes every 10,000 kms using either havoline 5-30 or mobil1 5-50 by her loving brother, yours truly. since i've now married with my own car including the wife's to take care of, i'm now wondering if there's a good, dino oil that i can leave in my sister's car and forget about for the next 10,000 kms.

extended drain oils are all synthetic (well, most) at triple/quadruple the price per quart here in asia. the engine's at 100,000 kms, has overheated once, and is due for a rebuild anyway at around 140,000. splurging on synthetics like mobil1 at this point seems, well, uneconomical. however, i wouldn't want the little civic breaking down before it hits 140,000. weird, huh?

key words here are: dino and extended drain, if there is such a thing.

94MaxGXE · Feb 21, 2005

Pennzoil High Mileage 10w30
Castrol High Mileage 10w30
Shell Rotella 5w40 syn
Pennzoil Conventional 10w30
Castrol 10w30

Marlin · Feb 21, 2005

Not sure about where you are at as far as oil choices, but I would look into Mobils 7500 oil if you can find it. Dino price with Grp3 "syn" oil base syn mixture.

Rob Taggs · Feb 21, 2005

Considering the abuse the car takes I would just stay with the Havoline. I have a daily driver that is nearly thirty years old and it uses Havoline with no oil usage or any worn internal parts in the engine.

ToyotaNSaturn · Feb 21, 2005

Considering your warm climate...
Chevron Delo 400 15w40
Castrol GTX 15w40
Pennzoil Long Life 15w40

All are very robust dino's where 10,000KM should be just fine.

BlazerLT · Feb 21, 2005

quote:

Originally posted by ToyotaNSaturn:
Considering your warm climate...
Chevron Delo 400 15w40
Castrol GTX 15w40
Pennzoil Long Life 15w40

All are very robust dino's where 10,000KM should be just fine.

Get out of running the heavy duty oil mentality in a 4 banger.

You want something that will not thicken up to a 50 weight.

Anyone know of a high TBN dino 5w30?

Losiho · Feb 21, 2005

10,000km is an extended drain interval ? That's news to me

ToyotaNSaturn · Feb 21, 2005

Blazer, these won't thicken up to 50 weight. With the abuse and neglect, he needs the extra protection a DELO type can afford.

Volts Castillo · Feb 21, 2005

quote:

Originally posted by ToyotaNSaturn:
Blazer, these won't thicken up to 50 weight. With the abuse and neglect, he needs the extra protection a DELO type can afford.

aha! yes i am familiar with Delo...we even have the monograde type available here in southeast asia.

diesel heavy duty oil in an abused civic engine...why didn't i think of that?

mobil ep oils aren't available here (yet), although mobil1 is common. mr toyota, is gtx strong enough to hold its viscosity over a full year in humid, stop and go driving weather? of all the oils mentioned in the post, it's the cheapest here, freely available too.

thanks.

JeepZJ4.0 · Feb 21, 2005

Personally, I would stick with the Mobil 1 5w50. It gets really hot there. Plus with all the driving in Makati City (assuming you live there... big assumption.. bad to assume)I would stick with synthetic. It will take a better beating. I guess Delo 15w40 would work too. I don't think it gets cold there for the 15w40 wouldn't be a bad idea. I used 15w40 Delo in my Jeep with no problems, even at 40 degrees F. Good luck!

vwoom · Feb 21, 2005

Ditto on the hdeo Delo..a dose of Lube Control(LC20 oil antioxidant)would also be a good idea...that is if it's available in the Tropics of Manila.

http://lubecontrol.com/

BlazerLT · Feb 21, 2005

There is no real reason to run a 15w40 in a small engine period.

The oil pump is not meant to pump that heavy of a oil in a civic.

Palut · Feb 21, 2005

quote:

Originally posted by BlazerLT:
There is no real reason to run a 15w40 in a small engine period.

The oil pump is not meant to pump that heavy of a oil in a civic.

There's no problem with running a 15w40 oil in a 4 cylinder. My family has run 40 weight oil in 3 separate Honda Accords with no problems at all. Our '85 1.8L Accord loves the stuff. All three cars get great mileage with 40 weight.

If the oil pump couldn't handle pumping the 40 weight, then it would die when pumping any cold oil, even if it was 0W-20.

The '85 had 15w40 Pennzoil in -20F and -30F startups in a south east Idaho winter one year, and is still going strong!

Gary Allan · Feb 21, 2005

BlazerLT

I think you're scoffing or dicounting two criteria that Volts has dictated.

Dino and 10Kkm drains in a severe duty situation. That kinda kicks any 5w30 out the door there.

As was mentioned, a Delo straight 30 or 40 weight might do well in this use as well as the 15w40.

Volts Castillo · Feb 21, 2005

fellas,

like i said, cost is a paramount issue here. i'm not planning to totally neglect the car, just run a good, cheap oil until rebuild time comes around. if you factor in the cost of replacing essential parts that will keep the vehicle running over the next 40,000 kilometers or so (parts like CV joints, bearings, a/c...yes, it's essential in a tropical country) plus the cost of buying mobil1 every 10,000 - you'll arrive at roughly the same amount required to rebuild/replace the engine, maybe more.

i'm planning to save maybe 30% over the next 40,000 without breaking anything internal using cost of the dino oil as a saving tool. here's an example:

castrol gtx/gallon = Php720 x 4 (40,000) = 2,880
mobil 1/gallon = Php2,100 x 4 (40,000) = 8,400

the diff between 2,880 bucks and 8,400 over the period of 4 more years is more than 50%! if castrol can "do" the job, i can use the difference to buy more parts to keep the thing running just enough not to break down.

Volts Castillo · Feb 21, 2005

sorry, forgot to mention, i used mobil1 as an example because all (and i mean ALL) fully synthetics marketed here follow the same price per quart, give or take a peso or two. there are no $1.45 per quart mobil1 sales here for any synthetic.

think about it. with the 5k i save i can buy:

new dampers @ 1,300 bucks apiece.
a used, JDM starter or alternator @ just 2,500
a new battery @2,000

things like that. appreciate all the info, though.

Dr. T · Feb 21, 2005

Absolutely correct....if you want to do 10k km on dino, IMO you must use a 15-40. This is the tried and true old-school Euro. oil and drain interval. The engine type & size (contrary to those that refuse to believe this proven fact) does not matter...

427Z06 · Feb 21, 2005

Delvac 1300S 15w40
Delo 400 15w40
Penz Long Life 15w40
Rotella-T 15w40

Pick one.

Gary Allan · Feb 21, 2005

quote:

I partially agree. Mobil Delvac 1630 or a Delo 400 in SAE30 is another option if you can find it. I'd avoid the straight SAE 40 though.

Hey, he may want to be a mixologist and create his own Flexblend® in the heavy weight range.

Flexblend® - always in style ..and always in stock

quote:

the diff between 2,880 bucks and 8,400 over the period of 4 more year

Yes, economics has a different flavor to it in some places. You're actually miles ahead of the baseline/benchmark of maintenance standards ..where when the tire goes flat ..you fix it ..when the plane crashes ..you fix it. People never understand when I say that most Japanese cars are "third world rated".

427Z06 · Feb 21, 2005

quote:

Originally posted by Gary Allan:
Hey, he may want to be a mixologist and create his own Flexblend® in the heavy weight range.

Flexblend® - always in style ..and always in stock

I have a theory that you and TallPaul were the true inventors of the Long Island Ice Tea.

Gary: Bartender, mix me a drink, I want a shot of xxx, and a shot of yyy...
TaulPaul: ...throw a shot of zzz and abc in there too.

Gary, TallPaul: Mmmmmmmmmmm...aahhhhhh...yeah that's the ticket...what shall we call it?

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