Bad Beef

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Originally Posted by Schmoe
Quality, quality, quality.....I'm with others.....what's the point in cooking your beef well done? Might as well eat cardboard. Can't imagine eating a steak well done. Yuck. Of all the years I've been buying half beefs, I've NEVER nor anyone that has enjoyed my burgers or steaks, have ever got sick. When I hear someone say I want mine well done, they are vegetarians for that day at my house.


I believe Trump likes his steaks well done and with ketchup. But other presidents have liked theirs well done too.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-presidents-eat-steak-2018-2

But yes, I think most food reviews say that the best tasting ones are medium rare which is how I normally get mine when there's a choice. Of course all those fast food places that don't ask how you want it done are all well done.
 
We aren't allowed to sell anything like cooked burgers / ground beef here that are not cooked to proper E-Coli killing temperature of 160F which usually leaves the beef completely grey/brown inside with no pink. Steaks can be cooked to a lower internal temperature because the bacteria would only be on the outside surfaces of it and not inside, unless it's mechanically tenderized then it has to be treated like ground beef.

Our standard for Salmonella is 165F for 10 minutes. So typically everyone will cook stuff in the kitchen to 165F just for easy to remember/manage if cooking raw ground meat, burgers, or chicken.

That said I've never had a dry burger. It's how you cook them and the moisture they start out with that keeps them juicy.

I worked in restaurants for years here prior to the field I'm in now and was food safe certified.
 
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Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by Pew
Cooking meat all the way through doesn't stop the toxins.



It kills salmonella. Which is what this topic is about. About toxins, toxins are everywhere, in animals, air, water, plants, and ground. Some areas are more toxic then others but there is no absolutely clean and sterile food source no matter how "organic" the food is because toxins are everywhere.


It may kill the Salmonella bacteria, sure.. but the bacteria themselves are only PART of the issue, and generally not the ultimate problem.

The REAL problem is the stuff that the Salmonella bacteria produce - endotoxins. Cooking to sufficient temperature will kill the bacteria themselves, but it will NOT destroy these endotoxins in the meat. Any meat that has been contaminated by sufficient salmonella bacteria will also have enough of these endotoxins to be very problematic. No amount of cooking will destroy them, and if you eat the meat, even after cooking, those toxins will make you very sick.
 
Originally Posted by Schmoe
Quality, quality, quality.....I'm with others.....what's the point in cooking your beef well done? Might as well eat cardboard. Can't imagine eating a steak well done. Yuck. Of all the years I've been buying half beefs, I've NEVER nor anyone that has enjoyed my burgers or steaks, have ever got sick. When I hear someone say I want mine well done, they are vegetarians for that day at my house.

A well-done burger is fine, if the cook knows what he is doing.
 
When consuming meat which has a high enough saturation point were salmonella toxins are present to cause significant harm then salmonella is pretty low on priorities. The meat is 1/4 of a step from being rotten if not there. Then again some people like to "marinate" meat on the counter for hours at room tempature then eat it under cooked for taste. Then it's everyone under the Sun's but thier own.
 
Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by SeaJay
Well done hamburgers are dry and do not taste very good. I'd rather incinerate them and toss in the garbage. I'll take my chances if I choose to eat them.



When you get sick don't blame anyone but yourself.


I'll take my chances for something that every few years or so a hundred or fewer folks get sick from out of a Country of 325 million.
 
Originally Posted by SeaJay
Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by SeaJay
Well done hamburgers are dry and do not taste very good. I'd rather incinerate them and toss in the garbage. I'll take my chances if I choose to eat them.



When you get sick don't blame anyone but yourself.


I'll take my chances for something that every few years or so a hundred or fewer folks get sick from out of a Country of 325 million.


Actually probably lots of people get sick from food poisoning each year. Just that many don't end up reporting it and it's hard to determine exactly what caused it as you normally suspect what you just ate, but it could have been something from 12 hours to 2 days ago that caused it.
 
Originally Posted by Shannow
Originally Posted by CourierDriver
Another bit of info on beef meds...you might want to think twice about beef,,your kids are a number one priority ...are they not?
https://www.fda.gov/animalveterinary/safetyhealth/productsafetyinformation/ucm055436.htm


Agreed, that's why you can't have your pregnant wife eat vegetables either...

https://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/MajorProductRecalls/ucm581921.htm

Listeria means that you don't even get to HAVE the kids.


Leafy greens gives me the [censored] like milk does. Beef doesn't.

Down with leafy greens!
 
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Should I point out that everyone who ever eats a vegetable ultimately dies?

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