auto servicing ripoffs...

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i can't speak for all dealerships but i have worked at a dealer and at an independent and i can say the independent was far more dishonest and sneaky. the first 2 on that list should have been caught everytime, spare tire pressure is kind of tough, so many spares are in trunks now and customers get ticked when you pop the trunk and move all of stuff out of the way to get to it, brake fluid is a touchy subject for me, i never top off brake fluid, if it's below the min. mark i'll let the customer know but i have personally had customers ask me to top it off then 2 weeks later come back with a bad master cyl. claiming that i put the wrong fluid in it causing a failure. it's not worth it for what you make off of an oil change or even a free safety inspect ( i do them for free) then your in a tough spot, tell the customer to pound sand and lose them and anyone they know as a future customer, or take care of it and lose money which then makes them think they can take advantage of you next time. don't fool your selves, customers try and take advantage of the repair facility as much if not more then the other way around in my experience, but this only causes a battle between the customer and the shop so everyone loses. you also get all of these under cover news stings that tell you how 75% of the shops were dishonest, but they will never tell about or who the other 25% are. it's so bad that i'll have customers come in from other shops and will want me to do what the other shop recommended and i'll look at it, see that it's not needed and they make me out to be the bad guy that's lying to them when i tell them it's not needed. very sad!
 
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but i don't understand why somethign as simple as working though a checklist cannot be done, unless there is some form of gouging or dishonesty going on. If garages operated truthfully in the first place the distrust would never be there!
 
Heck, I've actually helped my local shop before.


It can be funny when one customer can point a problem out to another..... My shop has some pretty cool guys in it. They're gotten pretty good at dumping the scamming types...while getting the drums done on the wife's car (can't do anything under the car until my back heals), I told a guy who was complaing about these guys killing his battery (He just got a new starter days before), and how they should replace it for free, to pound some sand. He had a 10 year old focus in pretty rough shape. ONe of the guys even told me this guy refused an oil change because he couldn't afford that too. (oil was pretty rough, didn't remember the last time he changed it) Heck, the owner and the other customer laughed at him after I said it.


If they can't afford the simple things, how is he going to get a free battery? If you can't afford it, you shouldn't have a car, period.
 
That's so true. There are so many customer crooks and freeloaders out there. Even with simple things like parts and oil changes and some customers try to scam. Bad costumers usually end up getting bad service and are never happy. Then there are the ignorant who think car repair and parts should be at McDonald's pricing. Of course there are bad shops that do poor work and take good ccustomers for a ride.
 
So this drive by article is a stupid quiz? Typical [censored] journalism which plauges that industry.



I would say the [censored] car owner failed miserable since anyone with an once of brains could and should check these for themselves and fix. I mean adding air and checking tire pressure, poping the reservoir cap and checking/adding fluid, and looking for a burned out bulb and replacing.

Of course joe car owner wants to waste a shops time to do all these for free???? Then when the shop wants to charge 40$ for wasting a 1/2 hour to change the bulb this, drive buy could write an article of a rip off 40$ bulb change.
 
Originally Posted By: crinkles
but i don't understand why somethign as simple as working though a checklist cannot be done, unless there is some form of gouging or dishonesty going on. If garages operated truthfully in the first place the distrust would never be there!

well due to the "60 minutes age" everyone believes that every repair shop is trying to rip them off, that's what the media has instilled in people. yes there are bad ones, and most places do go through a check list but the spare tire won't be on many of them and the brake fluid (in my opinion) should have been brought to the customers attn. but not topped off. as for the tire pressure and the light bulb, non should have missed those. we had a local paper do one of these "stings" i was one of the techs that got this car. i passed but according to them i actually failed, they brought in a car that had no a/c, according to the article they took it to 10 shops, 8 told them the compressor was bad and they need $1500 worth of work, i found a bad fuse and fixed, charged no labor but $2.50 for the cost of the fuse, the paper said i should have given them the fuse for free, even though i did not charge a diag fee.
 
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Yep, thes types of articles are never meant to "educate" the customer, they do more damage that good for sure.

Jurnalists look for good stories and drama, in mopar_monkey's case there was none so they had to put something, I mean who would read an article that said: "...we brought our car the to so and so shop, with A/C problem, and it got fixed", drama is what they want and if there is none, they will make stuff up.
 
unfortunately i feel that this kind of thinking is make the dishonest shop much worse and possibly creating new ones. when you are being accused of being dishonest and ripping them off when your not i can see the mind set of "if i'm getting in trouble for it i might as well do it" taking over. honestly it can be more profitable to rip off your customers, personally i prefer to build a relationship with my customers so they continue to come to me, it also makes it easier when they really do need something because they remember how honest you've always been with them (at the loss of more money on my end)and are more likely to not feel the need to think it's unnecessary.as they always say "nice guys finish last" but at least i can sleep at night!
 
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Recent example, customer came in to the shop with a 2006 Jetta TDI. It specs VW 505 01. I look around the shop until I find Motul Specific 505 01. He wants Castrol Syntec and thinks Im trying to rip him off by giving him a "no name" brand [censored] synthetic.

Most of the time Im trying to give the customer more for their money but they think they are smarter than they are.
 
Originally Posted By: silverrat
Recent example, customer came in to the shop with a 2006 Jetta TDI. It specs VW 505 01. I look around the shop until I find Motul Specific 505 01. He wants Castrol Syntec and thinks Im trying to rip him off by giving him a "no name" brand [censored] synthetic.

Most of the time Im trying to give the customer more for their money but they think they are smarter than they are.


When I was young and clueless I thought Havoline was a ripoff of Valvoline, mostly because it was sold in "Family Dollar".

Just watched a showdown in walmart TLE where a self-admitted picky customer wanted their $50 synthetic oil change but with M1 instead of bulk Syntec, and had apparently browbeaten the clerk over a long wait time and was headed for a free substitution.
 
I don't go to auto service shops because they don't like me watching them to be sure everything is done. If they want to offer an oil-filter-lube service with a 45 point inspection for $29, I expect them to do it and do ALL of it.

Not greasing the chassis points on my wife's Durango = fail. Not doing 30 of the 45 points of inspection = fail. Offering to sell me an $18.99 air filter when the old Mopar one in their right hand is as clean as the new generic POS one that's in their left hand = fail. Trying to upsell me on synthetic oil on a 200K mile truck with a 150K mile engine = fail.

That Valvoline shop in Waco doesn't like me. I won't be going back. But I sure will buy up Pure One filters and take it to my local mechanic. He does the oil change for $20 if I bring my own filter. He uses Pennzoil yellow bottle 5-30, 10-30, or 10-40 depending on what the oil cap or customer says. He greases the chassis. He tops off the fluids like power steering, brakes, washer water, and checks for leaks all under the vehicle. He's the one we go to to fix anything on the wife's truck.

He has only really let us down once, and he took care of it right. When he put the used engine in, something was amiss with the TC to flywheel bolts and they backed out in a few months and made quite a racket. We took it over thinking the oil pump let go and he would have to pull it, have me exchange it at the junkyard, and have him put it back in. We were prepared to pay a $550 labor bill for this and the junkyard was prepared to give us another engine. But he went under and poked around and said, "aw dang, those TC bolts backed out, I'll get 'em right" and $0 later our truck was quiet again. THAT is why we trust him with anything on that truck.

Good thing he's an honest guy, he IS the only mechanic in town. And he's within pushing distance of our house. And we HAVE pushed a 3/4 ton Suburban over there (fuel pump fail).
 
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I don't go to auto service shops because they don't like me watching them to be sure everything is done. If they want to offer an oil-filter-lube service with a 45 point inspection for $29, I expect them to do it and do ALL of it.

Not greasing the chassis points on my wife's Durango = fail. Not doing 30 of the 45 points of inspection = fail. Offering to sell me an $18.99 air filter when the old Mopar one in their right hand is as clean as the new generic POS one that's in their left hand = fail. Trying to upsell me on synthetic oil on a 200K mile truck with a 150K mile engine = fail.

That Valvoline shop in Waco doesn't like me. I won't be going back. But I sure will buy up Pure One filters and take it to my local mechanic. He does the oil change for $20 if I bring my own filter. He uses Pennzoil yellow bottle 5-30, 10-30, or 10-40 depending on what the oil cap or customer says. He greases the chassis. He tops off the fluids like power steering, brakes, washer water, and checks for leaks all under the vehicle. He's the one we go to to fix anything on the wife's truck.

He has only really let us down once, and he took care of it right. When he put the used engine in, something was amiss with the TC to flywheel bolts and they backed out in a few months and made quite a racket. We took it over thinking the oil pump let go and he would have to pull it, have me exchange it at the junkyard, and have him put it back in. We were prepared to pay a $550 labor bill for this and the junkyard was prepared to give us another engine. But he went under and poked around and said, "aw dang, those TC bolts backed out, I'll get 'em right" and $0 later our truck was quiet again. THAT is why we trust him with anything on that truck.

Good thing he's an honest guy, he IS the only mechanic in town. And he's within pushing distance of our house. And we HAVE pushed a 3/4 ton Suburban over there (fuel pump fail).

sounds like you do take your vehicle to a service shop, otherwise you'd be doing it your self.if you feel the need to watch someone do your oil change you should probably go somewhere else, but it sounds like you have the mindset going in that it will be done wrong, this is exactly what is being discussed in this thread. if and when they screw up then beat them up over it but when you go in with an attitude it will cause them to be defensive and they will have an attitude with you and you'll probably get poor service, if someone came to your place of work with that kind of attitude towards you, you would surly feel the same. it's good you have someone you trust, when you find someone like that it makes things better for both customer and the tech.
 
This entire thread makes me glad that I've mostly worked on commercial & agricultural equipment over the years.
 
Only until I started getting educated on these forums and other internet resources did I realize how bad I've been overpaying for auto maintenence all these years. Example - dealership charged me $900 to diag and install a distrubutor on a 93 altima. This is like 3 bolts on the top, yet has 3.5 hours book rate, not to mention $500 for the OEM part. WHATTF??

I've also had more than my share of independents rip me off/overcharge. Now I know the basics of a car and what needs to be done and when.

If I had that distributor fiasco to do all over again. I would do it myself with a part off ebay, or a hitachi brand (OE) I buy myself. Also, after 30 years looking, I finally found a reliable, honest and reasonabily priced mechanic for stuff over my head.
 
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A month ago we had the power steering fluid flushed. It is a 7 year old car with about 110k miles and the original PS fluid, so I figured to just have it flushed vs. doing the turkey baster method.

They put in some bulk PS fluid instead of the Dex III ATF it calls for. They insisted it was the right stuff, or at least that it wouldn't cause any problems. But without much hassle they let me bring it back in and they put the ATF in. But the point is they should have put that in there in the first place because that is what is called for both in the manual and right on the PS fluid fill cap.
 
Originally Posted By: lairdwd
Only until I started getting educated on these forums and other internet resources did I realize how bad I've been overpaying for auto maintenence all these years. Example - dealership charged me $900 to diag and install a distrubutor on a 93 altima. This is like 3 bolts on the top, yet has 3.5 hours book rate, not to mention $500 for the OEM part. WHATTF??

I've also had more than my share of independents rip me off/overcharge. Now I know the basics of a car and what needs to be done and when.

If I had that distributor fiasco to do all over again. I would do it myself with a part off ebay, or a hitachi brand (OE) I buy myself. Also, after 30 years looking, I finally found a reliable, honest and reasonabily priced mechanic for stuff over my head.


While the actual installation of the distributor might have been an easy process, don't overlook the diagnostic time. Some elusive problems might actually take three hours to diagnose. Some problems that are very intermittent can be time-consuming to diagnose. The dealership may not have ripped you off.
 
Originally Posted By: George7941
Originally Posted By: lairdwd
Only until I started getting educated on these forums and other internet resources did I realize how bad I've been overpaying for auto maintenence all these years. Example - dealership charged me $900 to diag and install a distrubutor on a 93 altima. This is like 3 bolts on the top, yet has 3.5 hours book rate, not to mention $500 for the OEM part. WHATTF??

I've also had more than my share of independents rip me off/overcharge. Now I know the basics of a car and what needs to be done and when.

If I had that distributor fiasco to do all over again. I would do it myself with a part off ebay, or a hitachi brand (OE) I buy myself. Also, after 30 years looking, I finally found a reliable, honest and reasonabily priced mechanic for stuff over my head.


While the actual installation of the distributor might have been an easy process, don't overlook the diagnostic time. Some elusive problems might actually take three hours to diagnose. Some problems that are very intermittent can be time-consuming to diagnose. The dealership may not have ripped you off.


I already had the problem diagnosed. Long story... Itwas more or less a confirmation. Also, I do not believe I was "ripped off". They did the service I was quoted. THis is a case of overpayment for services rendered.
 
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Lost in translation....

(* I'm glad that I gave up the golden opportunity for a joint venture auto repair shop 20 yrs ago and never looked back*)

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