Auto RX... so what's the secret?

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I've seen the photos of the cut open oil filters which have caught sludge dislodged (presumably) by AutoRX.

It does appear that this stuff works. Too many independent testimonials to think otherwise.

But here's the thing:

It can't be magic. I think it's almost certian that there are cheaper ways than two bucks an ounce to get the same effect.

If the AutoRX is simply an ester concentration, Redline oil would probably do the same thing. Other syns on the market may yield similar results at a much more reasonable cost.

Perhaps I'm touching the "third rail" here by questioning the AutoRX product's value. I don't mean to impugn the product itself--but I do question the pricing point.

Has anyone scientifically compared the cleaning effects of an ester laiden synthetic oil with that of AutoRX?

If you're in the camp that holds that AutoRX is well worth the two bucks an ounce, please spare me the advertising rhetoric and name some names. Chemical names, that is...
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Dan
 
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Originally posted by fuel tanker man:
I've seen the photos of the cut open oil filters which have caught sludge dislodged (presumably) by AutoRX.

It does appear that this stuff works. Too many independent testimonials to think otherwise.

But here's the thing:

It can't be magic. I think it's almost certian that there are cheaper ways than two bucks an ounce to get the same effect.

If the AutoRX is simply an ester concentration, Redline oil would probably do the same thing. Other syns on the market may yield similar results at a much more reasonable cost.

Perhaps I'm touching the "third rail" here by questioning the AutoRX product's value. I don't mean to impugn the product itself--but I do question the pricing point.

Has anyone scientifically compared the cleaning effects of an ester laiden synthetic oil with that of AutoRX?

If you're in the camp that holds that AutoRX is well worth the two bucks an ounce, please spare me the advertising rhetoric and name some names. Chemical names, that is...
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Dan
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I found it worked best with Mobil 1 myself, especially when left in for over 3K miles. Mobil 1 seemed to unclog the rings faster than anything else with my particular situation. I now have zero consumption at the 3500 mile mark where I used to use 1~2 quarts of Delo400. With the 32 Pep Boys calendars I still have, its alot cheaper mixing this with Mobil 1 for the foreseable future, though I would love to try Redline's stuff.

Redline is seriously expensive IMHO unless you are truly racing.
 
I'm the late cleaning phase, 750 miles and using Delo 400 15w40 and ARX, to clean out a Civic that is approaching 380k miles having never had the head off. I talked with Frank at the beginning of this project and am going to report the details back to him when I'm done. So far the oil consumption has gone to zero over the last 500 miles, from a quart or so ever 1k miles. I've been using FP during the test but not LC, pre Frank's request. Last tank the mileage shot up from 39 to 44 mpg over 367 miles (8.27 gal). Before I claim an overall increase in mileage, I'll calc it over three or four tank fulls. So far the results are great and under the oil fill cap it looks like a new engine. If this is how ARX works, it gets my vote for a product that does what it claims to do and is well worth the price.
 
fuel tanker man - Perhaps I'm touching the "third rail" here by questioning the AutoRX product's value. I don't mean to impugn the product itself--but I do question the pricing point.

Ya know I do to. I think the price should be twice the current price. It is not a question of the cost to produce it, it is a question of how well it works. If you can find something better, go buy it. For my money Auto-RX is just the ticket.
 
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Originally posted by fuel tanker man:
I've seen the photos of the cut open oil filters which have caught sludge dislodged (presumably) by AutoRX.

It does appear that this stuff works. Too many independent testimonials to think otherwise.

But here's the thing:

It can't be magic. I think it's almost certian that there are cheaper ways than two bucks an ounce to get the same effect.

If the AutoRX is simply an ester concentration, Redline oil would probably do the same thing. Other syns on the market may yield similar results at a much more reasonable cost.

Perhaps I'm touching the "third rail" here by questioning the AutoRX product's value. I don't mean to impugn the product itself--but I do question the pricing point.

Has anyone scientifically compared the cleaning effects of an ester laiden synthetic oil with that of AutoRX?

If you're in the camp that holds that AutoRX is well worth the two bucks an ounce, please spare me the advertising rhetoric and name some names. Chemical names, that is...
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Dan
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I'm not in any "camp" but I can attest to a transmission front seal leak cured w/ autorx.

Also, whats so bad about $2 per ounce compared to labor and materials for a seal change? The market is bearing it as is regardless of your questioning.

One more thing, Frank is not going to just give up the magic formula for all to see so don't expect any new technical info.

Why don't you run Redline for 100,000 miles or so and let us know how it works out.

If there were less expensive ways I'm sure most of the oil freaks around here would know about it.
 
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Originally posted by Ugly3:
fuel tanker man - Perhaps I'm touching the "third rail" here by questioning the AutoRX product's value. I don't mean to impugn the product itself--but I do question the pricing point.

Ya know I do to. I think the price should be twice the current price.
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I agree. There's nothing cheaper than works as safely and thouroughly as A-RX. Nothing.
 
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Originally posted by fuel tanker man:
I think it's almost certian that there are cheaper ways than two bucks an ounce to get the same effect.
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Look at it this way: It's not $2 an ounce. It's $20 to SAFELY desludge an engine, deep cleanse an ATX valve body, or repair a chronic rear main leak.

I can't think of a mechanic willing to do any of those things for $20.

You could use kero like in the old days.

But would you really dump that in to save 19 bucks?
 
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It can't be magic. I think it's almost certian that there are cheaper ways than two bucks an ounce to get the same effect.
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Fuel Tanker, there is no majic, no supernatural forces acting (that I am aware of), and ARX carries no claim of magical powers.

It is a blend of chemical compounds with an application toward cleaning machine parts.

I have seen ARX increase cylinder compression and the implication is that this compound breaks up carbon and frees the ring packs so they can flex and increase the sealing in the combustion chamber. And this is done with no toxic, no aromatic solvents.

The cost of any chemical compounding goes beyond the chemcials, since these costs have to be included as well:

1. Processing of chemicals
2. research into the right mix of chemicals
3. testing various compounds to obtain required performance
4. testing to support claims
5. labor cost of inventor/formulator in devloping said compound
6. cost of advertising and patent disclosure to tell people of your new claim
7. cost to reclaim investment since most of us put our own money and risked our own finances to put into formulation(s) as an entrepeneur.

SO, if you want to invest your own funds and hire a chemist to invent a new cleaning compound, well, that's what free market enterprise is all about.
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Well said Mr. Molecule.

Plus the product was designed to clean while you drive. Other than spinning on a new filter, there is no down time on the vehicle. Plus you don't create extra volumes of waste, as you would by using traditional flush type products.
 
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Originally posted by fuel tanker man:
If the AutoRX is simply an ester concentration, Redline oil would probably do the same thing.
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AAAHHH!!! Fuel Tanker Man WANTS TO RUN REDLINE OIL!!!
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Bahahahaa Baahahaha

A Norwegian (?) ARX site has a patent brief:

http://www.arxco.no/patentbrev.htm

In a presently preferred aspect of the present invention, the synthetic ester of a naturally occurring fatty acid is an ester of lanolin fatty acid, wherein the alkyl group (R) of the ester (CO.sub.2 R) is a straight chain or branched alkyl moiety having from about 6 to 20 carbon atoms. Lanolin originates as a unique substance secreted by sheep from special sebaceous glands in their skin so as to form a natural protective coating on the wool. This unique substance is a crude wax which is different from the body fat of animals. The crude wax is obtained as a natural by-product from the shearing and washing of sheep's wool. The crude wax is commonly referred to as wool grease. A series of refining processes converts the wool grease into lanolin fatty acid. Lanolin is a mixture of esters, di-esters, and hydroxy esters of high molecular weight lanolin alcohols and high molecular weight lanolin acids. Common uses of lanolin, which is commercially available in 5 grades, include rust protection, personal care products, and pharmaceutical applications. In accordance with the present invention, it is preferred to use a synthetic ester of lanolin fatty acid made from the U.S. Pharmacopeia (USP) grade of lanolin. While the presently preferred fatty acid ester compositions described herein are based on lanolin fatty acid, it will be appreciated that other natural fatty acids may be used including coconut oil fatty acid, tall oil fatty acid, tallow fatty acid and the like, as well as individual saturated, monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fatty acids or mixtures thereof.
 
Fuel Tanker Man,

Not trying to pick on you, just trying to bring some reality to the discussion.
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If the AutoRX is simply an ester concentration, Redline oil would probably do the same thing. Other syns on the market may yield similar results at a much more reasonable cost.
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Redline contains a different type of ester, my friend. Different esters have different applications and work in different ways.

I disagree on your "reasonable" cost comment. I purchase all kinds of PAO's, chemicals, etc., and especially esters for my company and you would gasp at the price per pound or gallon.
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I can just see going to Autozone and saying, I would like a quart of "wool grease" please.
Cool brief from the patent.

IMO for the money Auto-RX is worth the money. Just follow the instructions and go, no fuss no muss.
 
Okay.
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So the consensus is that no one really knows precisely what's in the AutoRX forumula.

Guess I'll have to spring for the "real deal."
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Frank wrote: If there were less expensive ways I'm sure most of the oil freaks around here would know about it. ...which is precisely why I asked you guys.
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fuel tanker man:
.... If the AutoRX is simply an ester concentration, Redline oil would probably do the same thing. ....
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There are numerous esters with all kinds of properties, just like there all kinds of motor oils with all kinds of characteristics. Some esters are naturally occuring, not created in laboratories.

There are some other ester products that can be added to your motor oil:

http://www.lubegard.com/automotive/engine_biotech.html

http://www.kemopro.com/pds/6_75.html

The cost-effective approach, it seems to me, is to avoid deposits in the first place. Over several years I've seen hundreds of engines run on various Mobil 1 formulations that at teardown looked at 200,000 miles or more like they had been run 12,000 miles.

If you want it clean, don't get it dirty.


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