Auto-RX maintenance dose -- application change

[IslaVistaMan]

Frank at ARX has already mentioned that a 3-ounce maintenance dose is ideal for keeping an already clean engine sparkling -- especially for owners of recently de-sludged motors looking to keep them that way.

My question is this: Rather than add three ounces of ARX when the oil is changed, why not move dosing closer to the end of an oil's life (say, within 1,000 miles of an oil change, for example)?

Doing so would seem to me to be a better approach. Relatively more "active" cleaning would take place since the ARX would be in use over a shorter duration, and the product's oil fortification benefit would be available when most needed, when the oil's add pack has started to deteriorate.

End-of-life dosing could also prevent ARX from competing with an oil's additives longer than necessary (although whether this actually occurs is currently unknown). Instead, pre-change dosing might act more like a "mini" clean-and-rinse cycle with every oil change -- which is the way the product is intended to be used.

What do you guys think? Your thoughts, Frank?

 

[Frank]

Once you have cleaned your engine with Auto-Rx, you have restored compression (clean ring packs) this also maximizes combustion efficency.

If you go on Auto-Rx Maintenace Plan,You never lose the 'gains" you got after cleaning (performance is steady) additionally no matter how many miles you put on engine, you never have to clean the engine again.

 

[mburnickas]

Hi Frank,
I use Lc20 right now but is there ANY way I can use Auto-Rx and not switch to dino? I would like to try ARX but I do not want to switch to dino then back to synthetic.

 

[IslaVistaMan]

Frank, my question was about the timing of maintenance dose applications -- when oil is fresh (concurrent with a change), or when oil is nearing a change -- and what would provide the best benefit as a result.

I'm hoping you can comment on that, specifically. You know better than anyone how your product works (and how long it typically lasts in a maintenance dose situation).

Your product is excellent (and yes, I am a current maintenance "doser"), but I would like to use it in the most effective manner.

 

[IslaVistaMan]

mburnickas, just start adding a three-ounce maintenance dose. Icurrently dose alongside Amsoil's Series 2000 0W-30, myself.

Hopefully, Frank will offer guidance as to "when" is best.

Dino oils are better for initial cleaning and rinsing, yes. But if your engine is already clean and you're running a synthetic, you'll be fine with the maintenance program.

 

[dbdeland]

IslaVistaMan,

You add the 3oz of Auto-Rx in when you change and add the new oil hope this answer you question good luck.

Daryl

 

[Auto-Union]

I do 3oz in 4q engines, 4oz in 6q engines. I think the ideal 2nd treat ment would be 1/2 bottle for full oci of 5000-6000 miles.
So:
Full bottle
Flush
1/2 bottle
Flush (maybe)
Maintenance dose
Maintenance dose

That seems to be the way to get the most out of a 2 bottle purchase.

 

[Frank]

Right now we are running tests to determine how long 3 ounce maintenace plan will keep oil at full spec. Our thinking is if you change oil at 3000 miles and on Auto-Rx Maintenace Plan you can easily go 6000 miles. Perhaps a filter change and top off oil? Dyson Oil Analysis is doing the numbers

3 Ounces of Auto-Rx in a clean(Auto-Rx) engine will be the same stength at the beginning of the application as it will be at the next oil change. Results from tests will tell the tale.

If your removing sludge or fixing a seal leak. Start off with fresh non synthetic oil (filter will catch more on clean cycle) no need to do this on other applications.

 

[darkdan]

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Frank, my question was about the timing of maintenance dose applications -- when oil is fresh (concurrent with a change), or when oil is nearing a change -- and what would provide the best benefit as a result.

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The maintenance doze is added at the beginning of the OCI to keep deposits from forming.

By adding auto-rx near the end of the oil change it would have to try to clean.

What's easier? Cleaning up a spilled can of coke immediately? Or letting it dry and then cleaning it?

 

[Frank]

Please post your results. We are testing is to prove that Auto-Rx Maintenance Plan used after Auto-Rx has cleaned engine will easily double the useful life of any oil.

Making it safe to extend oil change frequency and to have more money for gas. (reducing cost of mile to operate)

We are looking at filter also (nothing exotic) will definitely post results.

 

[IslaVistaMan]

Frank, I will be very interested to know how the oil "fortification" aspect of ARX maintenance doses perform over your 3,000 and 6,000 mile test intervals.

I'm submitting a UOA sample to Blackstone today that had a three-ounce maintenance dose placed at the last change (5,000 miles ago). Identical oil and filters had been used in this vehicle (Amsoil's S2K 0w30 and Toyota OEM) for changes prior to that, so the UOA should show if the maintenance dose improved the host oil's performance or not.

Please keep us informed as to your progress.

 

[oilboy123]

I have a 98 Ford Taurus that the RX took the pinging away. I ran grp III Amsoil then Chevron rinse. I normally run Amsoil POA 5w30.

Over the last 10k miles the pinging has come back, despite the 3oz maintenance doses. I ran some Amsoil power foam and Techron, then changed the oil.

I am going to try a maintenance dose more than 3oz, maybe 4.5-6oz range. I might go more?

 

[Ross]

Frank, I thought that you had lowered the maintenance dose from 3oz to 2oz a while ago? I started using 2oz maintenance about a year ago. Should I go back to 3oz on a 5 quart sysmtem?

Thanks

 

[IslaVistaMan]

IIRC, maintenance dosing depends on whether you have a vehicle that is prone to sludging -- 2 ounces for non-sludgers, and 3 ounces for everybody else.

If you know your engine is clean (like after a double back-to-back treatment or the vehicle is new), a two ounce dose would probably suffice regardless of engine tendencies.

For dino oils and their higher volatility, I'd probably use a three-ounce dose as standard.

 

[oilboy123]

I have been told that Taurus vulcan engines are carbon Monsters. So I am going to try a higher maintenance dose.

I want to keep the carbon at bay for my extended synthtetic oil changes.

 

[Frank]

3 ounces has tested out to give the best beneifits over all.

Over 3 ounces would for maintenace would be a waste.

 

[oilboy123]

So the maintenance dose is for long drains as well as short, correct?

The only problem is my ping went away with the clean and rinse. I can't see doing a clean and rinse after only 19mths 9,500 miles. This is my third oil change after the last rinse.

But using the 3 oz mainenance dose it has come back. In my special circumstance I am going to try a higher maintenance dose. I think it might be starting to work.

I will keep keep you all posted. I might try something new if it makes sense.
Thanks Pat

 

[dbdeland]

oilboy123

When are you going to change the oil? At 9500 miles It is possible you need to change oil and add another 3oz of Auto-Rx

 

[oilboy123]

I am on my third oil change since the Auto-rx clean and rinse. I just changed my oil.

I had 11mths 4,800 miles on my last OCI. Amsoil 5w30 oil and filter. I used 3oz maintenance dose on both changes.

 

[darkdan]

Pinging can be caused by lots of other things.

Clean the MAF sensor. I'll PM you directions.

You also might want to try to clean the EGR valve and tubes.