ARX & Aluminum Engines

[Falcon_LS]

Originally Posted By: [RT
I looked back and can't find FalconLS's treatment specs. Is this what you really did Falcon?


Yes, I did four treatments in total on this engine. I went 5,000 km on the clean phase, and 5,000 km on the rinse on the first two. The third was a 5,000 km clean and a 6,000 km rinse, as per Frank's recommendation. The forth was another run of 5,000 km clean and 5,000 km rinse.

I've used different oils for all applications, including Motorcraft Synthetic Blend 10w30, Castrol GTX 20W-50, BP Visco 2000 20W-50 and Pennzoil Long Life Gold 15w40.

 

[ADFD1]

Originally Posted By: [RT
ProjUltraZ]
Originally Posted By: ADFD1
Here it is I'm not going crazy

i beg to differ, you just posted the same thing i did lol. i went to ARx forum and can't find it but i believe you, i choose to have faith in people until they lead me astray


Keep the faith, it was 4 treatments!

 

[c3po]

I see Falcon LS is now running MMO in all of his engines instead of arx.

 

[sprintman]

I'll stick with Terry Dysons advice, no MMO.

 

[ADFD1]

Originally Posted By: c3po
I see Falcon LS is now running MMO in all of his engines instead of arx.



I'm thinking FalconLS won't have any more problems with continued use of MMO. Just the other day Mr. Browning commented in a thread that contained a few UOA's where MMO was added to the oil, and he said they looked good. Now if you believe in the UOA's then MMO is a winner in that department too.

Me I go by what my family did for decades using MMO in just about everything that ran on gas. Dad added it to gas and oil, had amazingly clean engines that ran well and lasted a long time. Real world experiences.

 

[c3po]

Originally Posted By: sprintman
I'll stick with Terry Dysons advice, no MMO.


I only take advice from people who have actually used a product, and that is what many members here are doing, if they see that a product works they then go ahead and give it a try in there engines.

I am sure if arx had worked for Falcon LS he would not be using MMO, he has found something that works for him and he is getting results.

 

[friendly_jacek]

Originally Posted By: panthermike
I decided to give MMO a try after hearing positive things about it on this board.

The OCI was 4100 miles, MMO was in there for 1700 miles. Oil used was PP. I must say I'm surprised with the oil color, looks like diesel oil.

Here's two pics


Mike,
Which Corolla was it, 2000 or 2003? Could you add more info ie miles on the car, previous OCI and oil used, and whether you had oil consumption, how much, and if it improved after the ARX or MMO cleanings. I have 2003 Corolla with over 60,000 miles and recently minor oil consumption started. I'm trying to decide if ARX or MMO cleaning should be done. My 03 car was made in 2002, before new pistons were implemented.

 

[friendly_jacek]

Originally Posted By: sprintman
I also learn't over the years not to use oil containing ester, a very expensive lesson for me on one vehicle. Cheers..s


What do you mean? Do not use ester based oil with ARX or at all?
What was the problem if I may ask?

 

[ADFD1]

Originally Posted By: c3po
Originally Posted By: sprintman
I'll stick with Terry Dysons advice, no MMO.


I only take advice from people who have actually used a product, and that is what many members here are doing, if they see that a product works they then go ahead and give it a try in there engines.

I am sure if arx had worked for Falcon LS he would not be using MMO, he has found something that works for him and he is getting results.



Well said!

 

[panthermike]

Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: panthermike
I decided to give MMO a try after hearing positive things about it on this board.

The OCI was 4100 miles, MMO was in there for 1700 miles. Oil used was PP. I must say I'm surprised with the oil color, looks like diesel oil.

Here's two pics


Mike,
Which Corolla was it, 2000 or 2003? Could you add more info ie miles on the car, previous OCI and oil used, and whether you had oil consumption, how much, and if it improved after the ARX or MMO cleanings. I have 2003 Corolla with over 60,000 miles and recently minor oil consumption started. I'm trying to decide if ARX or MMO cleaning should be done. My 03 car was made in 2002, before new pistons were implemented.


The car is the 2000. Although the motors are the same in both cars. I hope our 2003 has updated rings, the oil burn issue is bad on the 2000. It burns a quart every 800 miles or so. It has 162,500 miles and has seen 3K OCI's with dino oil.

Use whichever product you want but FYI, after using ARX(2 clean/rinses) and MMO, the cars consumption hasn't improved. As for cleaning, they have both done cleaning IMO, the oil seemed darker with MMO. I took a flashlight to the cars fill hole yesterday and it has some varnish(not terrible), and some "minor" deposits. My plan is to use some Neutra 131 at the end of this OCI, and MMO for the duration of the next OCI.

Also, this OCI has 15w40 oil AND Schaeffer's Moly Treatment, no difference in consumption so far. These rings are just too darn stubborn!

How much oil is the car burning?

Hope this helps you.

 

[sprintman]

Yes do NOT use ester oil with RX.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: panthermike
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: panthermike
I decided to give MMO a try after hearing positive things about it on this board.

The OCI was 4100 miles, MMO was in there for 1700 miles. Oil used was PP. I must say I'm surprised with the oil color, looks like diesel oil.

Here's two pics


Mike,
Which Corolla was it, 2000 or 2003? Could you add more info ie miles on the car, previous OCI and oil used, and whether you had oil consumption, how much, and if it improved after the ARX or MMO cleanings. I have 2003 Corolla with over 60,000 miles and recently minor oil consumption started. I'm trying to decide if ARX or MMO cleaning should be done. My 03 car was made in 2002, before new pistons were implemented.


The car is the 2000. Although the motors are the same in both cars. I hope our 2003 has updated rings, the oil burn issue is bad on the 2000. It burns a quart every 800 miles or so. It has 162,500 miles and has seen 3K OCI's with dino oil.

Use whichever product you want but FYI, after using ARX(2 clean/rinses) and MMO, the cars consumption hasn't improved. As for cleaning, they have both done cleaning IMO, the oil seemed darker with MMO. I took a flashlight to the cars fill hole yesterday and it has some varnish(not terrible), and some "minor" deposits. My plan is to use some Neutra 131 at the end of this OCI, and MMO for the duration of the next OCI.

Also, this OCI has 15w40 oil AND Schaeffer's Moly Treatment, no difference in consumption so far. These rings are just too darn stubborn!

How much oil is the car burning?

Hope this helps you.


Hi Mike,

I see you're still having issues. Try a qt of MMO with 5W30 and see if that doesn't help free up those rings, that 15W40 might be just a little too thick for you. In a study done by Shell Oil Company they concluded that "if" oil consumption is caused by rings that aren't functioning properly a 20 grade oil actually worked better than a 40 grade. It goes against the way we think. So maybe the MMO with the 5W30 for another cleaning session might help you. This time hit it with both barrels and use a full qt of it.

I would have thought the 132 would have worked for you, it has helped a few people I know with oil burners, which is why I suggested it. There is also the flip side of the coin here, and your particular engine can't be helped. Have you had a look at the valve seals?

 

[friendly_jacek]

Originally Posted By: panthermike

The car is the 2000. Although the motors are the same in both cars. I hope our 2003 has updated rings, the oil burn issue is bad on the 2000. It burns a quart every 800 miles or so. It has 162,500 miles and has seen 3K OCI's with dino oil.

Use whichever product you want but FYI, after using ARX(2 clean/rinses) and MMO, the cars consumption hasn't improved. As for cleaning, they have both done cleaning IMO, the oil seemed darker with MMO. I took a flashlight to the cars fill hole yesterday and it has some varnish(not terrible), and some "minor" deposits. My plan is to use some Neutra 131 at the end of this OCI, and MMO for the duration of the next OCI.

Also, this OCI has 15w40 oil AND Schaeffer's Moly Treatment, no difference in consumption so far. These rings are just too darn stubborn!

How much oil is the car burning?

Hope this helps you.


The MY 2003 has updated rings and if built in 2003 or later, updated pistons, so it should be OK.

Mine burned 250 ml in 1000 miles so far, but this is a new development and I want to be proactive and keep an eye on it. When the engine starts burning due to gummed up rings, the vicious cycle starts.

You may want to take the same approach Saturn owners did, ie overnight soak of pistons in MMO and other tricks wildly known on Saturn forums.

Almost forgot, keep oil as full as possible. I've heard that lower oil levels facilitate more consumption. There is an official Toyota document (service bulletin) that states if longblock is replaced doe to oil consumption, oil levels should be 10 mm (0.5 qt) higher via a modified dipstick. I think it has to do with oil temps.

Sure enough, the previous OCI, I kept oil level halfway through between low and high and now consumption started. Maybe it was a coincidence or maybe not. Now, I know better.

 

[c3po]

It sounds like arx did not cure panthermike's oil burning situation, he may need to try the BG stuff, and if that does not work then he may have to live with this oil burning situation.

I do agree with Demarpaint in that it would be wise to get away from the 15w40 motor oil and try something thinner like 5w30 motor oil.

 

[panthermike]

Sound advice everyone, thanks.

I actually want to try something different, a more "aggresive" approach.

Neutra for the last 500-1000 miles of this OCI. Piston soak with MMO or B12, and a "flush" oil change for 30 minutes or so.

Finally, one more oil change with MMO for the whole OCI.

Hope it works out for you friendly jacek.

 

[c3po]

Originally Posted By: panthermike
Sound advice everyone, thanks.

I actually want to try something different, a more "aggresive" approach.

Neutra for the last 500-1000 miles of this OCI. Piston soak with MMO or B12, and a "flush" oil change for 30 minutes or so.

Finally, one more oil change with MMO for the whole OCI.

I agree that giving the Neutra a shot is a good idea, and definetly a piston soak with MMO, I would definetly let it soak for 12 hours or more, if that does not work then maybe try the B12 as a piston soak.

I take it that you do not want to give the BG a try, if you do an OCI with MMO make sure you replace 25% of your oil volume with MMO and use a thinner oil like 5w30, since the thicker oil's have not helped. I think a thinner oil with MMO might do a better job at attacking any junk that is around your piston rings, its worth a shot.

Hope it works out for you friendly jacek.

 

[demarpaint]

I think I'd use the B-12 for the piston soak, skip the Neutra unless you already have it, and use the MMO in its place. Then run a full OCI with the MMO as you've planned. From reading these posts I'm thinking you have mechanical wear related issues with this engine, and might not be able to achieve the results you're looking for no matter what you try. JMO. Again good luck and keep us posted.

 

[c3po]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I think I'd use the B-12 for the piston soak, skip the Neutra unless you already have it, and use the MMO in its place. Then run a full OCI with the MMO as you've planned. From reading these posts I'm thinking you have mechanical wear related issues with this engine, and might not be able to achieve the results you're looking for no matter what you try. JMO. Again good luck and keep us posted.



I think if panthermike does this Piston Soak he may get alot of junk out of his engine, should he do the piston soak for more than 12 hours, would he benefit from letting the B-12 or MMO soak in there for 24 hours.

 

[demarpaint]

MMO is not going to be as aggressive as the B12, and I think a piston soak with MMO won't be as effective. There are different tools for different jobs. MMO is a great top oil and does an awesome job of slowly cleaning an engine, and keeping a clean engine clean. B12 would be better for a piston soak. You can use a hammer to take out screws, but why when a screw driver will do a better job?

If I were to do a piston soak on a problem engine I would fill the cyls up, hand turn the engine with a breaker bar, fill them up again. I would do this a few times over a 24 hour period. Then turn it over to make sure the cyls aren't filled with the B-12, reinstall the plugs take it for a ride, get it hot and change the oil.

 

[Greggy_D]

I agree.....B12 for the piston soak before an oil change.