Are these likely to be the exact same oil with different coloration?

[frascati]

Anyone know beyond speculation? Do these just come from the same silos in houston before being dyed blue or red and then labelled kawasaki or echo?

Formulated for the same market. Same JASO and ISO ratings. As far as I can tell the same MSDS specifications. One is red. One is blue.

Kawasaki Ktech can be found for as little as 35 dollars a gallon.

Originally Posted by Mola
These are advertisements. Do you have some Product Information Sheets with Oil Property specifications listed?

 

[BusyLittleShop]

It is likely given the numbers that our motorcycle oil is chiefly reformulated Auto oil... the degree which they change it depends on market share since either Auto or MC specific oil will meet and exceed your mileage expectations...

Here are virgin oil samples of $12.95 a quart Amsoil motorcycle
specific 10W40 and $4.89 a quart Mobil 1 Auto Oil 10W40... listed in
parts per million are minor differences in the additive package you're
paying for...

 

[frascati]

Echo universal two stroke oil
https://www.echo-usa.com/getattachment/d5e66496-3079-4374-82c2-ad427eb044e2/Material-Safety-Data-Sheets,-RED-ARMOR


Kawasaki universal two stroke oil
http://www.hazdox.com/hdf/product/sds/KMC-178X.pdf

Neither of these are 'motorcycle' specific. Both are produced for a 'universal' market.. generally speaking any air-cooled two stroke utility engines.

Understand the rules, even the irritatingly strict implementation of them that exceeds their original purpose, but it would have taken MoleKule
all of five extra seconds to simply leave "Echo Red Armor" and "Kawasaki Ktech two stroke" in place of my amazon links. Or is there too much
advertising content in there as well?

 

[alarmguy]

no (maybe)

 

[Bonz]

Originally Posted by BusyLittleShop
It is likely given the numbers that our motorcycle oil is chiefly reformulated Auto oil... the degree which they change it depends on market share since either Auto or MC specific oil will meet and exceed your mileage expectations...

Here are virgin oil samples of $12.95 a quart Amsoil motorcycle
specific 10W40 and $4.89 a quart Mobil 1 Auto Oil 10W40... listed in
parts per million are minor differences in the additive package you're
paying for...

There isn't a Mobil 1 10w40 synthetic auto oil made based on their website that has those higher concentrations of Z and P. Do you know the age of that comparison? I'd be tempted to run that oil in my motorcycle if it could be identified as something currently produced.

 

[BusyLittleShop]

Originally Posted by Bonz
Do you know the age of that comparison?


Sorry I don't know the age but according to Blackstone Labs higher
concentrations of Z do not equal higher protection only longer
protection... so Zinc levels at 600 or 1200 is not a problem given our
short oil change intervals specified by the manufacture ....

Quote Blacksone Labs
The zinc in your oil comes into play only when there is actual metal
-to-metal contact within your engine, which should never occur under
normal operating conditions. However, if you race your bike, or
occasionally play tag with the redline on the tach, the zinc is your
last line of defense. Under extreme conditions, the zinc compounds
react with the metal to prevent scuffing, particularly between
cylinder bores and piston rings. However - and this is the important
part to remember - available research shows that more zinc does not
give you more protection, it merely prolongs the protection if the
rate of metal-to-metal contact is abnormally high or extended. So
unless you plan on spending a couple of hours dragging your knee at
Laguna Seca, adding extra zinc compounds to your oil is usually a
waste. Also, keep in mind that high zinc content can lead to deposit
formation on your valves, and spark plug fouling.