Are radar detectors worth it?

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Greetings to the OP. Bet you didn't think you'd stir up all of this mess. With regard to your actual questions, ekpolk has done a good job in answering them.

Instant-on can be detected by any of the good detectors made these days (read any new product by Valentine, Beltronics, Escort, and a few models made by Whistler). You just have to make sure you dectect it hitting the cars in front of you and not you!

A radar detector is not a license to speed of course, and won't EVER provide complete protection. The serious contermeasure user will also employ laser protection where needed, but the newer jammers are pricey.

The Escort 9500ci, as one person mentioned, is the current king of the hill. But it is VERY pricey at around $1400-1500 per google. The dash version, the 9500ix, ranks comparable or close to the V1 in detection but has GPS lockout of falses plus a database of speed/stoplight cams.

Being owned by Escort, Beltronics has a very similar lineup. Many prefer the ramp-up of the 9500ci to the comparable Beltronics model, the STI-r. The dash mount version of the STI-r, though, is the only dash mount detector that is undetectable by police, though. So if you aim to use your detector in parts of Canada and Virginia, you will need either the STI-R, STI, or the 9500ci.

Other Escort/Beltronics products are all made off the same platform, as far as I know (m4). All that's going to vary is features. About the only thing to avoid is the RX-55, which is off an older, weaker and cheaper platform. Myself I have two slightly older S7 platform products, an Escort Passport 8500 and a Beltronics Vector 955. The Vector series is Beltronics bread and butter and you can't find anything better for the price. They use the same detection platform as the Escort Passport 8500 x50, and Beltronics RX-65. Not quite sure which platform the new GX-65 uses, though.

V1 is the detector of choice for the user that has to know every single radar emisiion for miles around. It, by default, doesn't filter anything and is VERY sensitive. It can be adjusted to raise it's alert threshold, but then you loose that V1 goodness.

Whistler makes three good detectors in a lineup that is otherwise pretty [censored]. The Pro78, XTR-690, and brand new XTR-695 are comparable to the Vectors from Beltronics.

Stay away from anything made by Cobra. It's not just that they provide poorer detection, it's that they provide spotty detection with no rhyme or reason.

As for mounting, if you haven't got any lidar to worry about, go as high as you can, as long as your tint strip doesn't have metallic paint. A radar detector is essentially a radio scanner with a highly directional horn antenna. So get it up high and pointed down the road for the best range. But really, as long as you don't have something obstructing the view out the windshield, it's not much of a difference.
 
Originally Posted By: sciphi
I'd say yes, they are worth it. If nothing else, for peace of mind.

While I do not personally own one (yet), a maxim of how much you spend on the unit is the cost of the ticket it will save you from seems to be the case.

You should also factor in the "secondary" costs that usually follow a ticket, most notably jacked up insurance rates.
 
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oldmaninsc: Being old doesn't make you mature. It makes you old. Just sayin'.
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Gee, I thought I already said that quite a few posts back:
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Originally Posted By: d00df00d
oldmaninsc: Being old doesn't make you mature. It makes you old. Just sayin'.
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Gee, I thought I already said that quite a few posts back.
"Some people grow up, others just grow older" (Post number #1266087 )



Well hey, at least I got you off my tail...
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Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Originally Posted By: oldmaninsc
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
oldmaninsc: Being old doesn't make you mature. It makes you old. Just sayin'.
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Gee, I thought I already said that quite a few posts back.
"Some people grow up, others just grow older" (Post number #1266087 )



Well hey, at least I got you off my tail...
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Originally Posted By: Saturn_Fan
Recently, the police in our community (pop. 8000) relocated a 45mph sign two weeks ago smack dab in the middle point on the downhill side of an 8% grade.


That's what happens when traffic engineers don't make those decisions.
 
Originally Posted By: brianl703
Originally Posted By: Saturn_Fan
Recently, the police in our community (pop. 8000) relocated a 45mph sign two weeks ago smack dab in the middle point on the downhill side of an 8% grade.


That's what happens when traffic engineers don't make those decisions.


Or the brake pad manufacturers. hahahahah
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Originally Posted By: BrianWC
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The Escort 9500ci, as one person mentioned, is the current king of the hill. But it is VERY pricey at around $1400-1500 per google. The dash version, the 9500ix, ranks comparable or close to the V1 in detection but has GPS lockout of falses plus a database of speed/stoplight cams.


Brian:

Meant to respond to your post earlier, but got distracted. You made some excellent points about the choices out there. Thanks for taking the time. A couple thoughts in addition. First, I had an Escort (8500) before the V1. They are also outstanding units (as was the original Escort brick with the mechanical gauge, in its day). But with the V1, although lacking an automute feature, the directional arrows are so valuable (and so addictive...) that I don't think I could be comfortable without them again. I now believe that it's fundamentally and critically important to have not just an indicator of presence, but also direction as well.
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Originally Posted By: BrianWC
V1 is the detector of choice for the user that has to know every single radar emisiion for miles around. It, by default, doesn't filter anything and is VERY sensitive. It can be adjusted to raise it's alert threshold, but then you loose that V1 goodness.
Yes, the V1 is very sensitive, but OTOH, they've done a good job of getting it just right, so that it's not too sensitive. And a critical difference between it and the Escort models is that it gives far fewer false laser alerts from sun glinting, reflections and the like. I had actually deactivated the laser band on my Escort, whereas it works just perfectly in the V1. It's been a great educational tool. You must be careful of laser. If you're the first one zapped, they'll probably get you, since it comes on so fast, effective reaction is probably impossible. I just look for a nice red Corvette, saddle in behind him, and let him be the "point man" to trigger the ambush for me. I mean hey, who's paying much attention to that black Camry in the distance behind the 'vette!?!
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Originally Posted By: BrianWC
Stay away from anything made by Cobra. It's not just that they provide poorer detection, it's that they provide spotty detection with no rhyme or reason.
Reminding me of the timeless saying, "you get what you pay for...usually".

Originally Posted By: BrianWC
As for mounting, if you haven't got any lidar to worry about, go as high as you can, as long as your tint strip doesn't have metallic paint. A radar detector is essentially a radio scanner with a highly directional horn antenna. So get it up high and pointed down the road for the best range. But really, as long as you don't have something obstructing the view out the windshield, it's not much of a difference.

For best LIDAR/laser coverage, with minimum falsing (often caused by sun glinting off the hood) you need to be a couple inches above the plane of the hood, but not behind any tinting. I've just installed my V1 remote display, which now renders the main unit to be nothing other than the receiver piece. So I may move it higher now, but not so high as to compromise laser reception because of the tinting.

Gee, all they have to do is build us real, autobahn-quality interstates, and remove the speed limits, and then they'll cut the legs right out from underneath those of us who pride ourselves on being the "scientists of detection technology".
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(even to you oldman).
 
Gosh, it's been a long time since I needed to worry about high speed electronic countermeasures. I'm reduced to flock or herd status with my jeep. 65 is about the limit for comfort ..both from the tractor engine and the sound from the soft top. You can drive it faster ..but ear plugs are recommended. My worries are in the overqualified 25mph zones ..and they're enforced with VASCAR type deal.
 
In PA, LE needs to give a 1000ft "buffer" after the posted speed is decreased. Local police don't uses radar much in PA, it was only "authorized" a few years ago. I speed, the roads around here allow for it, nothing but your own skills and deer to worry about. When I drive the CRV, I am pretty much at the limit for obvious reasons.
 
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
In PA, LE needs to give a 1000ft "buffer" after the posted speed is decreased. Local police don't uses radar much in PA, it was only "authorized" a few years ago. I speed, the roads around here allow for it, nothing but your own skills and deer to worry about. When I drive the CRV, I am pretty much at the limit for obvious reasons.


I thought the buffer was 500 feet and local police still cannot use radar/lidar in PA. State police by far use K band and very few KA guns.
 
I've only ever seen pacing and VASCAR and similar stuff from local enforcement. No idea what the law is or anything...
 
Originally Posted By: BrianWC
Greetings to the OP. Bet you didn't think you'd stir up all of this mess. With regard to your actual questions, ekpolk has done a good job in answering them.

Instant-on can be detected by any of the good detectors made these days (read any new product by Valentine, Beltronics, Escort, and a few models made by Whistler). You just have to make sure you dectect it hitting the cars in front of you and not you!

A radar detector is not a license to speed of course, and won't EVER provide complete protection. The serious contermeasure user will also employ laser protection where needed, but the newer jammers are pricey.

The Escort 9500ci, as one person mentioned, is the current king of the hill. But it is VERY pricey at around $1400-1500 per google. The dash version, the 9500ix, ranks comparable or close to the V1 in detection but has GPS lockout of falses plus a database of speed/stoplight cams.

Being owned by Escort, Beltronics has a very similar lineup. Many prefer the ramp-up of the 9500ci to the comparable Beltronics model, the STI-r. The dash mount version of the STI-r, though, is the only dash mount detector that is undetectable by police, though. So if you aim to use your detector in parts of Canada and Virginia, you will need either the STI-R, STI, or the 9500ci.

Other Escort/Beltronics products are all made off the same platform, as far as I know (m4). All that's going to vary is features. About the only thing to avoid is the RX-55, which is off an older, weaker and cheaper platform. Myself I have two slightly older S7 platform products, an Escort Passport 8500 and a Beltronics Vector 955. The Vector series is Beltronics bread and butter and you can't find anything better for the price. They use the same detection platform as the Escort Passport 8500 x50, and Beltronics RX-65. Not quite sure which platform the new GX-65 uses, though.

V1 is the detector of choice for the user that has to know every single radar emisiion for miles around. It, by default, doesn't filter anything and is VERY sensitive. It can be adjusted to raise it's alert threshold, but then you loose that V1 goodness.

Whistler makes three good detectors in a lineup that is otherwise pretty [censored]. The Pro78, XTR-690, and brand new XTR-695 are comparable to the Vectors from Beltronics.

Stay away from anything made by Cobra. It's not just that they provide poorer detection, it's that they provide spotty detection with no rhyme or reason.

As for mounting, if you haven't got any lidar to worry about, go as high as you can, as long as your tint strip doesn't have metallic paint. A radar detector is essentially a radio scanner with a highly directional horn antenna. So get it up high and pointed down the road for the best range. But really, as long as you don't have something obstructing the view out the windshield, it's not much of a difference.

I think that sums up everything i thought i knew about detectors, except a couple comments in the last paragraph.Up high is supposedly best all the time, cause with lidar it's too late even if u do detect it because you're already caught...arguably i guess, and pointing down is a new one to me.Everything i've ever read said level is best(better distance range?), but i'm no expert.
As far as choosing one,i'd definately splurge for gps if i was getting a new one, as getting false(door openers) alarms at them same two stores everyday drives me batty, and then the ones on the other frequently travelled routes...aaarrrrgghhh!!! And then the lidar...if u can legally jam, do so.
 
kraked, yes, the detector has to be level for maximum range. It's a joke among radar detector afficionados that any time you see a radar detector pointed at the moon, it's always a Cobra from Wal-Mart.

As far as lidar jamming, yes, it's legal almost everywhere. Radar jamming is the illegal activity because to truly jam radar, you have to emit a radio signal yourself. This would require specific FCC licensing to do so and guess what...the FCC isn't going to license you to jam police radar. Rocky Mountain Radar is a scam company that tries to market a "passive jammer." A. It's not truly passive. B. It doesn't work on any radar made in the last 25 years or so.

EK, yes, I apologize for not mentioning the arrows. A#1 feature of the V1! V1 is also the only detector to have a second, rear-facing antenna horn to aid in ascertaining the location of the radar unit.

Hey, the Escort guys are bragging right now but it took Belscort (as the combined company is affectionately termed by detector nuts) building a $1600 remote-mount unit to equal one dash mount V1 that sells for less than 1/4 the price.

Yes, if laser IS a threat, mount low (but above the wipers) to midway up the windshield. But truly, the V1 is about the only detector that gives you a decent laser warning.

I would HIGHLY recommend the Whistler XTR-695 to anyone looking for a good first detector. It is feature packed with VERY good Ka band detection.
 
Originally Posted By: kraked
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...Up high is supposedly best all the time, cause with lidar it's too late even if u do detect it because you're already caught......


No! First, you have to see a V1 in action against laser to really appreciate that you can get some useful warning (but nowhere near as much as with radar). Second, and more to the point, the real benefit is the warning you receive as the laser-equipped cop illuminates cars ahead of you. When you start getting little chirps of laser warning, it's very seriously time to react and correct your behavior as necessary.
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I recommend either the Bel V955, Whistler Pro78, and whistler XTR-695 for sub $200. Mounting a RD is high is best for radar and low for laser. The V1 is by far the best on laser, as others mentioned. Using any other detector and getting a laser alert means you are basically getting a ticket. It is very hard to pick up a direct laser hit, let alone scatter, except for the V1. Jammer would be best for laser, but too expensive for most.
 
Yep, my v955 (that's Vector, folks) is wonderful. I can still get caught off guard on over the hill, though. Been wanting to try an XTR-695. The feature set is amazing for the price. And unlike Cobras, the features are actually useful.

Folks, if you want to get real, unbiased reviews of radar detectors, try http://www.guysoflidar.com The July 08 laser jammer test is great and has some impromptu radar results as well. The August 07 radar detector test is the most recent comprehensive test. Bear in mind, though, the Whistler platform they tested received a revision that improved reception a tad.

Of course, no hobby would be complete without a web forum. radardetector.net is THE detector forum. It could use some bitog-esque moderation, though.
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As an instant-on laser radar gun user (non-enforcement), I can tell you that detectors are useless. It's a split second from trigger pull to readout. If you are fortunate enought to pick up scatter, well... you are fortunate. For older radar, they are ok if you are paying attention. Also, some anti-laser license plate covers do work, but I can get a reading off any reflective surface (head/tail light, etc).

As far as "speed traps" or other questionable speed limits, check your state statutes. They should be quite clear on where certain speeds can be set and who can set them. Many speed limits that seem wrong are wrong and are not legal. Typically it is cities who will put an artificially low speed limit on a road when it is not their authority to do so. Every ticket that has been contested on one such road here has been thrown out and law enforcement has quit enforcing it at the signed limit, instead enforcing the authorized limit (which is 10 mph faster).
 
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Originally Posted By: wagsg
As an instant-on laser radar gun user (non-enforcement), I can tell you that detectors are useless. It's a split second from trigger pull to readout. For older radar, they are ok... if you are paying attention. Also, some anti-laser license plate covers do work, but I can get a reading off any reflective surface (head/tail light, etc).
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Wags, your agency should purchase a V1 or two. Oh wait, maybe they shouldn't...
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Their effectiveness would be a surprise to you. You're correct that if a driver is the first one "shot" with the laser, there is probably no time to react.

By contrast, I've cruised safely past dozens of laser-equipped officers because their shooting of vehicles ahead of me gave me all the warning I needed to get to a speed at which no cop would bother with me. The V1 is that good, and it even points to where the officer is lasing from.

Complacency is a dangerous thing on both sides of the radar gun. Again, I've been a target multiple times, but never shot, because officers assume that their laser is point-and-shoot infallible.
 
ekpolk, you got in before my edit about scatter and your point is well taken. Both users, radar gun and detector, must pay attention and know the limitations of their devices.

The look on the face of the radar detector owner, when they're first in line, is priceless sometimes!
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