First, FXJohn, it's Fatboymoe. Second, you didn't state how much the used transmission cost. I will guess that most of the total cost of $800 was labor. If domestic used parts are so cheap, what was the cost of the transmission for your S-10? If you paid more than $200 for the USED transmission, you got ripped off.
Anyone own an '05-07 Tacoma?
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200 bucks? Wow that's more than half the price of the japanese used transmission. Thanks for proving my point.
All this proves is that there are more junk S-10's than Toyota's. Supply divided by demand = Price.
How much labor was involved? Must be a difficult R&R for $600.
In my 1988 C-1500, it took me 2.5 hrs to R&R a transmission in my driveway. Looks like transmission R&R in an S-10 is a little difficult. So much for cheap to maintain S-10's.
How much labor was involved? Must be a difficult R&R for $600.
In my 1988 C-1500, it took me 2.5 hrs to R&R a transmission in my driveway. Looks like transmission R&R in an S-10 is a little difficult. So much for cheap to maintain S-10's.
yeah a transmission and a fuel pump in 240k miles. a lemon on my hands. LOL
FXJohn,
Have fun in your S-10. Maybe some day it will be a classic.
Have fun in your S-10. Maybe some day it will be a classic.
fxjohn, I'm looking for a new truck. i already own a '95 K1500 so I dont want another beater truck.
S-10's are not in the same class of the new body style Tacoma's.
To everyone: Please, no bashing of other's comments on my post please .
Also, Warlord said "I don't know if I could stand driving a midsize v-6 truck and getting the same mpg as a 5.3 v-8 silverado. Especially when the silverado is significantly cheaper. "
How does this lighter weight and smaller displacement Taco get the same MPG has the heavier GM with more displacement and one less gear in the trans?
Is this based of real world data or MPG on the window sticker?
MSHU7, I did not know the Taco handbook recommends to use premium gas. Does it say you can use regular with out harm to the engine?
Thanks,
more comments welcome!
S-10's are not in the same class of the new body style Tacoma's.
To everyone: Please, no bashing of other's comments on my post please .
Also, Warlord said "I don't know if I could stand driving a midsize v-6 truck and getting the same mpg as a 5.3 v-8 silverado. Especially when the silverado is significantly cheaper. "
How does this lighter weight and smaller displacement Taco get the same MPG has the heavier GM with more displacement and one less gear in the trans?
Is this based of real world data or MPG on the window sticker?
MSHU7, I did not know the Taco handbook recommends to use premium gas. Does it say you can use regular with out harm to the engine?
Thanks,
more comments welcome!
My fuel consumption comments were based on the data collected by the Canadian goverment (imperial MPG not US MPG). The auto equipped Taco tested at 21 city and 28 hwy, the silverado managed 20 city and 29 hwy. As you said the silverado has one less gear and is 500+ pounds heavier. Up here the 5.3 chevy will cost you $29615 and the Taco demands a ridiculous $34070.
US EPA estimates for the GMC 4.8 2wd is 16/20 MPG.
US EPA estimates for the Taco is 4.0 2wd is 19/22 MPG.
This is with the EPA's "new test".
Real world MPG from what I have found from owners indicate the Taco achieves MPG closer to the window sticker than the GM trucks.
The EPA rating for the GM is inflated because of the "active fuel management" works on the EPA tests, but not very well in the real world. Even in Canada.
US EPA estimates for the Taco is 4.0 2wd is 19/22 MPG.
This is with the EPA's "new test".
Real world MPG from what I have found from owners indicate the Taco achieves MPG closer to the window sticker than the GM trucks.
The EPA rating for the GM is inflated because of the "active fuel management" works on the EPA tests, but not very well in the real world. Even in Canada.
My 07 owners manual says it's O.K. to use 87 octane fuel. Max H.P. will be with 91-92, but it's only about a 10hp loss with 87. I have used 87 and 91 and couldn't tell the difference between the two.
One thing that you need to keep in mind Islandvic is the gear ratio with the 6speed. The 5speed auto gets better mileage on the hiway because either the rear end or the transmission gear is higher than the 6 speed.(I don't know which). The difference in RPM between 5th and 6th in the manual is really small at 70mph. Maybe 200-300 rpms max.
One thing that you need to keep in mind Islandvic is the gear ratio with the 6speed. The 5speed auto gets better mileage on the hiway because either the rear end or the transmission gear is higher than the 6 speed.(I don't know which). The difference in RPM between 5th and 6th in the manual is really small at 70mph. Maybe 200-300 rpms max.
Islandvic,
I have an earlier generation Tacoma and couldn't be happier. When reading these posts about pricing please keep in mind that EVERYTHING for sale is fairly priced. If it weren't, then it could never get a sold sign on it. Yes... the Toyota brand commands a higher price because, over time, it has earned a reputation for higher build quality. For many especially as the economy tightens, price is everything. For me the choice to go from domestic was simple, I just hate visiting repair shops over and over... sometimes for the same darn thing. I've had my Taco for 6 trouble free years (2 recalls only, one I did the other on hold)and believe they are fair-market priced for what you get in return. After all your time is worth something and every trip to the dealer is times 2, drop-off and pick-up. If one of your hobbies is working on vehicles then you will get a bigger truck and similar milage with one of the domestics. If you want a higher ratio of trouble-free miles... then visit your Toyota dealer. This has been my experience and I "interogate" anyone with a Toyota to try and learn and this was my reason for switching and will not ever go back. Good Luck with your choice and "happy motoring".
I have an earlier generation Tacoma and couldn't be happier. When reading these posts about pricing please keep in mind that EVERYTHING for sale is fairly priced. If it weren't, then it could never get a sold sign on it. Yes... the Toyota brand commands a higher price because, over time, it has earned a reputation for higher build quality. For many especially as the economy tightens, price is everything. For me the choice to go from domestic was simple, I just hate visiting repair shops over and over... sometimes for the same darn thing. I've had my Taco for 6 trouble free years (2 recalls only, one I did the other on hold)and believe they are fair-market priced for what you get in return. After all your time is worth something and every trip to the dealer is times 2, drop-off and pick-up. If one of your hobbies is working on vehicles then you will get a bigger truck and similar milage with one of the domestics. If you want a higher ratio of trouble-free miles... then visit your Toyota dealer. This has been my experience and I "interogate" anyone with a Toyota to try and learn and this was my reason for switching and will not ever go back. Good Luck with your choice and "happy motoring".
How do you like the 6-speed fatboymoe? I'm sure it doesnt shift like a Toyota Celica, but is it still fun to row through the gears even though its a truck?
You can run regular just fine and the mileage is no differnt for everyday driving. For towing or performance driving the higher octane will alow the timing to be advanced more and slightly better performance. In day to day driving premium fuel is not required nor is it of any advantage.
All of this could possibly be true but I was referring to the 5.3 which consumes less fuel than the 4.8. Where did you find your epa stats anyways? According the the epa website the 08 4L taco you mention can only manage 16/20 compared to the 08 5.3L silverado's 15/20.
Islandvic,
I really like the 6speed. It takes a little getting used to because the RPM's don't drop right away when you lift the throttle to shift.
Some people on the Toyota Tacoma forums have replaced the shifter with a short throw version made by TRD, B&M and others. I won't be changing my shifter anytime soon. It's just fine.
One good thing about having a lot of torque is that if you want to and are in no big hurry, you can skip shift. 2nd to 4th to 6th with no problems at all.
I just wish that 6th gear would have been a little taller. Mine runs 2500rpm at 70mph in 6th. It could easily be 150-300rpm's less and still be in the torque band. When my tires wear out, I might try a taller tire to see if it helps.
On another note, the EPA fuel mileage for my truck (according to the window sticker) is 17/21.
I really like the 6speed. It takes a little getting used to because the RPM's don't drop right away when you lift the throttle to shift.
Some people on the Toyota Tacoma forums have replaced the shifter with a short throw version made by TRD, B&M and others. I won't be changing my shifter anytime soon. It's just fine.
One good thing about having a lot of torque is that if you want to and are in no big hurry, you can skip shift. 2nd to 4th to 6th with no problems at all.
I just wish that 6th gear would have been a little taller. Mine runs 2500rpm at 70mph in 6th. It could easily be 150-300rpm's less and still be in the torque band. When my tires wear out, I might try a taller tire to see if it helps.
On another note, the EPA fuel mileage for my truck (according to the window sticker) is 17/21.
aahhhh why has nobody mentioned Ford trucks, they have and continue to make the best trucks in the world period!!
Bump. Just turned 245k on the S10.
Cheap dependable and easy to work on
Cheap dependable and easy to work on
I wouldn't give the dealer any more than the dealer cost"they get them for less.I have purchased my Toyotas that way. Toys aren't the same build quality as the prevoius models . I own a 06 x cab 4cyl 4x4 stickshift not a bad truck though nowhere like my 1984 or 1992 Toys in build quality.
I personally don't care for it when someone asks about buying a new vehicle and people give their advice based on their (or their uncle's) experience with one vehicle and assume it applies to all vehicles of that make. I wonder if these questions should even be asked anymore?
When buying a new vehicle, you have to play the odds. There is no guaranty that the vehicle you buy will last or be built as well as the exact same model sitting next to it. Play the odds by going with the brand that gives the least amount of cost over the time that you plan on owning it. According to MSN autos, the original cost (MSRP) and the 5 year cost of owning seven different trucks, all 2007 models and hopefully all options relatively similar, is as follows:
Tacoma Access Cab, V6, 4x4
$23,010 - $34,506
Ford Ranger XLT 4x4
$19,310 - $34,791
Dodge Dakota ST Club Cab 4x4
$23,620 - $36,098
Nissan Titan LE King Cab 4x4
$33,700 - $46,415
Ford F-150 4x4
$25,825 - $40,340
Chevrolet Silvarado WT, Ext. Cab 4x4
$26,100 - $38,662
Toyota Tundra Limited, Double Cab 4x4
$37,290 - $50,474
Clark
When buying a new vehicle, you have to play the odds. There is no guaranty that the vehicle you buy will last or be built as well as the exact same model sitting next to it. Play the odds by going with the brand that gives the least amount of cost over the time that you plan on owning it. According to MSN autos, the original cost (MSRP) and the 5 year cost of owning seven different trucks, all 2007 models and hopefully all options relatively similar, is as follows:
Tacoma Access Cab, V6, 4x4
$23,010 - $34,506
Ford Ranger XLT 4x4
$19,310 - $34,791
Dodge Dakota ST Club Cab 4x4
$23,620 - $36,098
Nissan Titan LE King Cab 4x4
$33,700 - $46,415
Ford F-150 4x4
$25,825 - $40,340
Chevrolet Silvarado WT, Ext. Cab 4x4
$26,100 - $38,662
Toyota Tundra Limited, Double Cab 4x4
$37,290 - $50,474
Clark
Enough good or bad results add up to something .Buying a new or used vehicle is a gamble so it is good to try for the best odds.
Used S-10. 3,000-13,000 dollars.
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