Anyone carry "protection" when driving?

[Whitewolf]

Originally Posted By: cashmoney

In the US given current conditions I feel safer being able to CC when I feel it is appropriate. I am 100% in favor of CC permit and training requirements and for universal background checks to purchase guns because it helps to keep guns away from crazy people and felons - far from foolproof since too many guns already in circulation but it is a help.


I agree with this but unfortunately many people do not take training and safety seriously enough and in my view, whilst I fully support the right to own and carry firearms, they are far to easy to obtain. From my own experience I don't think that the background checks are stringent enough.

 

[aa1986]

Sounds reasonable to me and I believe most people agree with that viewpoint.

Yet we don't enact any changes.

 

[Pablo]

So why do background checks always involve a registry?

 

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
So why do background checks always involve a registry?


So the NWO knows where the anti government people are and can take away their guns, silly.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: expat


Makes me wonder when I'm in the States just how 'Level headed' gun owners around me might react in a situation.

OK it seems many people on this site take ownership VERY seriously.
But I bet there are 'morons with guns' out there

Pretty much you don't need to worry about folks that cary legally. You worry about those that carry illegally. Folks who carry legally know one bad move with their weapon and their permit is history.

I got my permit in Pa. in the late 80's when we became a "Shall Issue" state. So after 25 years I am not doing anything stupid.

 

[wtd]

What amazes me is that a lot of people want to blame guns or the lack of training on someone's part when an incident happens and use that argument to try and take away gun rights.

Why don't people feel the same way when it comes to car accidents? Most car accidents are caused by operator error or them just not paying attention to what they are doing. The results can be just as deadly as the misuse of a firearm. Some people obviously don't have enough training to operate a vehicle but no one seems to throw a fit about that or just label it under the heading of "an accident".

That is why it's my opinion that the gun issue is all political and has nothing to do with it being a "public safety" issue like everyone wants to claim. The death and destruction that comes with car accidents is way more than with guns so I consider that a "public safety" issue. That just shows the hypocracy of our society.

 

[expat]

Originally Posted By: wtd
What amazes me is that a lot of people want to blame guns or the lack of training on someone's part when an incident happens and use that argument to try and take away gun rights.

Why don't people feel the same way when it comes to car accidents? Most car accidents are caused by operator error or them just not paying attention to what they are doing. The results can be just as deadly as the misuse of a firearm. Some people obviously don't have enough training to operate a vehicle but no one seems to throw a fit about that or just label it under the heading of "an accident".

That is why it's my opinion that the gun issue is all political and has nothing to do with it being a "public safety" issue like everyone wants to claim. The death and destruction that comes with car accidents is way more than with guns so I consider that a "public safety" issue. That just shows the hypocracy of our society.


'I' throw a fit when I see a driver on the road that has no right to have a drivers licence!

The thing is, on this continent, many people got there licence back in the day when you really had to go out of your way to hit another vehicle. and/or being able to drive is considered almost a RIGHT because there is no effective public transport, and people NEED to move around.

I would love drivers to have to pass an 'Effective' drivers test before they get a licence to drive. AND be subject to Re-test if required.

'I' think having the privilege to have a firearm should be subject to similar criteria.

But then I was not Born (or live) in the USA, so perhaps I have a different outlook.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: expat


'I' think having the privilege to have a firearm should be subject to similar criteria.

But then I was not Born (or live) in the USA, so perhaps I have a different outlook.

The problem here is thispesky little thing called the Bill of Rights. The People have a right to bear arms. Many States make it even more clear..In Pa. "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state" While I support background checks....going much deper than that violates the U.S. and States' Constitutions.

Driving is a "Privilage" not a "Right"

 

[xxch4osxx]

Originally Posted By: KevGuy
Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
Originally Posted By: KevGuy
In Canada we don't need to carry firearms everywhere we go.
No, but I wish we could. I would be one of the first to sign up for concealed carry if it ever became available.


The only carry I would like to see for restricted firearms is wilderness carry. I'd like to try hunting with a handgun.
Hunting with a handgun is a good challenge, much more than a rifle. The whole "restricted" class of firearms up here is a joke. A firearm is a firearm.
You might be surprised how many people here do support concealed carry of firearms but you will never hear about it in the mainstream media.

 

[Mykl]

Originally Posted By: daves66nova
I wish all those "gun-haters" would get a SMALL "taste" of a situation where they did need a gun. Then let's see if they change their mind and realize you CAN'T ALWAYS depend on someone else to PROTECT you all the time, at any time.


I'm not a "gun hater." In fact, I'm grateful that so many of the rest of you out there have weapons.

But statistically speaking the weapon in your home is more dangerous to you than it is to an outsider. So I'll take my chances.

Anecdotal evidence: something I've observed among my friends who are the most vocal about protecting themselves and being willing to shoot someone to do it haven't even taken the most basic of security measures to protect their house, like by installing proper security lighting, upgrading their locks, or adding an alarm system. Instead, they leave unsecured weapons laying around the house and think that they're better off trying to use it to fight off an intruder in the dark when they're half asleep.

 

[1 FMF]

Originally Posted By: dishdude
You can't just drive away?


funny, how quickly people forget... and this was the one which apparently had an undercover cop in the gang:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dqIPRYTWWA
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/undercover-11-indicted-biker-mob-attack-article-1.1511056
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-...ticle-1.1605435


Originally Posted By: Lolvoguy

After this run in, I'm seriously considering installing one of those dash cams. At least it will be able to record all the unbiased info.


good luck with that, assuming whomever attacks you also doesn't steal your car or smash the dash cam

and why does the rolleyes smiley show up as smirk and give this

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Originally Posted By: Mykl

Instead, they leave unsecured weapons laying around the house and think that they're better off trying to use it to fight off an intruder in the dark when they're half asleep.


clarify laying around? because the impression is your statement carries the lib mentally meaning no one should own a firearm in the first place and if they do then it should be locked up in the most secure method possible at all times... which effective negates the purpose. get up out of bed at 3am in the dark from see how competent you are... wait, why would you bother trying to protect yourself that's the job of the police, all you need to do is telephone the cops. : roll eyes :

naturally this thread will get deleted entirely because it's not politically correct,

i'm waiting for places like Australia to get invaded, and it wouldn't surprise me if it happens in Canada.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: 1 FMF

i'm waiting for places like Australia to get invaded, and it wouldn't surprise me if it happens in Canada.





We have a LOT of guns in Canada. Most of them are rifles and shotguns. And our gun laws are less restrictive than many of the US states, keep that in mind. Handgun ownership is another topic, but as far as NR arms go, there are plenty. And the storage requirements aren't all that insane either.

 

[Mykl]

Originally Posted By: 1 FMF
clarify laying around? because the impression is your statement carries the lib mentally meaning no one should own a firearm in the first place and if they do then it should be locked up in the most secure method possible at all times... which effective negates the purpose. get up out of bed at 3am in the dark from see how competent you are... wait, why would you bother trying to protect yourself that's the job of the police, all you need to do is telephone the cops. : roll eyes :

naturally this thread will get deleted entirely because it's not politically correct,

i'm waiting for places like Australia to get invaded, and it wouldn't surprise me if it happens in Canada.




Laying around... not in a locked container; where any person in the house has access to it.

Also, I don't think libertarians have that point of view regarding guns. Libs are usually pretty much ok with that.

You see, what you did just there is displayed that the fallacy of "appeal to fear" or "appeal to emotion" has convinced you that the only way you can keep yourself safe while you're in bed at night is an unsecured weapon. What's impressive is that you also combined it with a straw-man that you very efficiently tore down, kudos for that. Did you make your decision based on that fear alone or did you bother to actually go looking for information regarding exactly how likely it is that you would need a weapon at that time in the first place?

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: expat


'I' think having the privilege to have a firearm should be subject to similar criteria.

But then I was not Born (or live) in the USA, so perhaps I have a different outlook.

The problem here is thispesky little thing called the Bill of Rights. The People have a right to bear arms. Many States make it even more clear..In Pa. "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state" While I support background checks....going much deper than that violates the U.S. and States' Constitutions.

Driving is a "Privilage" not a "Right"


Yessssss. But if the state says you can't buy one, then you can't buy one. Fail the background checks, and you don't get one.

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: 1 FMF

i'm waiting for places like Australia to get invaded, and it wouldn't surprise me if it happens in Canada.





We have a LOT of guns in Canada. Most of them are rifles and shotguns. And our gun laws are less restrictive than many of the US states, keep that in mind. Handgun ownership is another topic, but as far as NR arms go, there are plenty. And the storage requirements aren't all that insane either.


And just *who* would invade Canada anyway?

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: 1 FMF

because the impression is your statement carries the lib mentally...


You can stick that so called "lib mentality" you know where boy.

I'm liberal, and I own a few rifles/carbines and a handgun. Monday I'm buying another long gun.

In fact, on page three is a pic of the hand cannon.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: 1 FMF

i'm waiting for places like Australia to get invaded, and it wouldn't surprise me if it happens in Canada.





We have a LOT of guns in Canada. Most of them are rifles and shotguns. And our gun laws are less restrictive than many of the US states, keep that in mind. Handgun ownership is another topic, but as far as NR arms go, there are plenty. And the storage requirements aren't all that insane either.


And just *who* would invade Canada anyway?



Exactly! They gonna steal my Igloo, snowmobile and maple syrup?

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: 1 FMF

i'm waiting for places like Australia to get invaded, and it wouldn't surprise me if it happens in Canada.





We have a LOT of guns in Canada. Most of them are rifles and shotguns. And our gun laws are less restrictive than many of the US states, keep that in mind. Handgun ownership is another topic, but as far as NR arms go, there are plenty. And the storage requirements aren't all that insane either.


And just *who* would invade Canada anyway?



Exactly! They gonna steal my Igloo, snowmobile and maple syrup?

The igloo is tempting. I need a summer home

 

[aa1986]

Originally Posted By: Trajan
I'm liberal, and I own a few rifles/carbines and a handgun. Monday I'm buying another long gun.


But that's because you're a Fidel Castro supporter.

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: aa1986
Originally Posted By: Trajan
I'm liberal, and I own a few rifles/carbines and a handgun. Monday I'm buying another long gun.


But that's because you're a Fidel Castro supporter.


I swear, that guy is an Immortal....