Antique OCOD (PH8A) cut open-anybody tell me age??

[bullwinkle]

I was bored while I was waiting for the turkey to cook, I have a Fram "Wearguard" PH8A AKA OCOD that has been sitting in my (humid) garage FOREVER-looking to dispel the myth that filters are automatically bad after X years-the only date code I could find was A01143-anybody know how AlliedSignal date coded these? Here's a few pix-

Other than a tiny bit of rust on the leaf spring-NO HARM DONE by all the years of humidity, occasional 100+ & sub-zero temps-even the ADBV/bypass & gasket are still fine, along with the media.

 

[aquariuscsm]

Good looking filter! Ocod's imo are just fine. I used them for years. I'd still use them if I hadn't upgraded to the TG's

 

[Bill in Utah]

Here is my 20 year old Fram cut open.

I know it was around 1986ish for that one. What does your box say as far as who and where it was made?

 

[oilboy123]

That's what I was going for was the 80s.
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Here is my 20 year old Fram cut open.

I know it was around 1986ish for that one. What does your box say as far as who and where it was made?

 

[bullwinkle]

Sold by Nationwise Auto Parts, I was trying to remember what vehicle I would have bought it for-I believe it was my old '78 F-100 that I had swapped the (horribly sludged & knocking) 302 for a 351W from a '74 Galaxie 500, Nationwise was gone in these parts by '92 or '93, and I had unloaded that rustbucket by then. This filter is so old it sat for a few years in my unheated detached garage at my OLD house in the 'hood (Winton Place neighborhood of Cincy), then 15 years here! I could have used it on my son's 4.0 XJ, but I've been scoring lots of cheap PureOnes from Kmart & elsewhere.

 

[bullwinkle]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Here is my 20 year old Fram cut open.

I know it was around 1986ish for that one. What doers your box say as far as who and where it was made?
Bill, your PH11 was a little older, your box says owned by Bendix on it, and mine says owned by Allied Signal-I am guessing late '80s/early '90s on mine. If you guys saw how bad my garage is, gaps in the tongue & groove exterior, occasionally flooded by heavy rain overflowing the next door neighbor's gutters-if this filter could survive that OK, indoors it would have lasted nearly forever.

 

[Jim Allen]

Very interesting to see.

All I can say is... you're not walkin' the talk unless you put it onto a car and use it. ( : < ) I've fired 1941 dated ammunition that seemed to be fine. But would you go into combat with 1941 ammo if you had a choice? Even if you had popped a few caps previously? I wouldn't and neither would I use a poorly stored oil filter (for more reasons than age.. in general, the filters of today are better)if I had a choice.

The way it was explained to me is that if the resins hold the cellulose in shape begin to break down, it's not alway apparent until it's put to use... where the media may collapse. Might not be visible or apparent tot he naked eye beforehand.

That filter may be perfectly fine. Or it may not be. Using it would be the only proof one way or another... or sending it to Fram and having them test it. In any case a single example isn't necessarily evidence of anything one way or another, though on the surface this is somewhat confidence inspiring to see that it weathered the years in apparent good shape.

I currently have a virgin Robert Bosch OF120 filter waiting for autopsy which I think might be from the '70s.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Even a little rust inside would cause me not to use a filter. Held up pretty good otherwise it seems from the naked eye. But Jim is right, in use the media might self destruct with oil flowing and putting stress on the media. You'd never know unless you ran it first, then cut it open.

 

[Jim Allen]

Did a little research corporate-wise and it looks like the logo on the box was in use from '93.

 

[Kruse]

A lot of guys were running them to 3K about that time and it would hold up fine. I see it was priced at $2.50. That probably compares to a lot of small mom-and-pop hardware stores of today that sell them for $5-$6.

 

[KCJeep]

Are my eyes deceiving me or does that have a thread end bypass??? I'd guess maybe a couple more pleats than the current version as well.

 

[KevGuy]

A nice orange can.

 

[RF Overlord]

Originally Posted By: Kruse
I see it was priced at $2.50.
If they were sold for that price today, they'd be a decent value.

 

[bullwinkle]

Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Are my eyes deceiving me or does that have a thread end bypass??? I'd guess maybe a couple more pleats than the current version as well.
It did have thread end bypass/ADBV (?) combo-and it was still as soft as a baby's booty!

 

[bullwinkle]

Originally Posted By: Kruse
A lot of guys were running them to 3K about that time and it would hold up fine. I see it was priced at $2.50. That probably compares to a lot of small mom-and-pop hardware stores of today that sell them for $5-$6.
Trust me, $2.50 back then would be more like $5-6 now, although Nationwise was pretty good about running sales that routinely got Frams out the door for under $2.

 

[bullwinkle]

Originally Posted By: KevGuy
A nice orange can.
It actually was, and the media was still securely attached to the ends-took a fair amount to pull it off, I could have used it (if I was brave enough to try it).

 

[MarkStock]

They don't make cardboard like they used to.

All that modern recycled fibre with specialist glue stuff they put in OCOD's now. May as well call them just OC's.

The old original orange cans with gen-u-ine cardboard. Them's the only ones that de-serve to be called OCODs.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted By: Jim Allen
Very interesting to see.

All I can say is... you're not walkin' the talk unless you put it onto a car and use it. ( : < ) I've fired 1941 dated ammunition that seemed to be fine. But would you go into combat with 1941 ammo if you had a choice? Even if you had popped a few caps previously? I wouldn't and neither would I use a poorly stored oil filter (for more reasons than age.. in general, the filters of today are better)if I had a choice.


My uncle used WW2 surplus rifle ammo until maybe ten years ago, when the supply simply dried up. It was perfectly reliable.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted By: RF Overlord
Originally Posted By: Kruse
I see it was priced at $2.50.
If they were sold for that price today, they'd be a decent value.


Not really, when for another 75 cents, I can get a vastly superior Purolator!

 

[SS1970chrysler]

That filter looks like the pair I used last year on my Granada. If I remember right, they were from '91. The newest vehicle listed on the box was 1991. Both worked fine, one did give a real tappy start on the 2nd day of use. It was fine otherwise.
I still have one from '78 sitting on my shelf as well. I use it as a display piece next to my oil cans and spout.