Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
You did this on a vehicle that had been maintaining? You saw the sludge during the VCG replacement, then nothing after running MMO at your normal OCI?
I'm not saying I don't believe that it doesn't work, but most people change too many variables at once to attribute a positive change to one of those things.
I've been at this for over 35 years now. I changed many a VC gasket and dropped oil pans for friends over the years. Here is a memory brought back over the holidays this year. My brother has a fishing boat powered by a 70's Chevy 250 I-6. He had some varnish and junk up in the valve train we discovered when we changed the VC gasket after he bought the boat. The engine was tired and we were going to re-build the engine, no point in cleaning it up so we threw it back together. Money was tight at the time. We decided to run some MMO for about 50 hours, then at the end of the season, pull the head, and re do the engine. When we finally got around to re-building the engine, we couldn't believe how much cleaner it was!
I have dozens of these stories from decades of use. I like to share, although some people might think I'm planted here from Turtle Wax. LOL
Haha. I hope you don't mind me asking questions. I do it out of curiosity rather than skepticism...ok, well I'm a bit skeptical by nature, but that's besides the point. haha
Did he previously change out the motor and gear oil every season prior to the VCG being replaced or did the motor come with the boat in sad shape? I guess I'm asking whether the previous owner's neglect could possibly have been cleaned with the same results with proper maintenance from that point on.
I'm still learning the affects of MMO on abused, poorly maintained vehicles, and whether it has any benefit over simply properly maintaining the vehicle from that point on, maybe doing a few shorter OCI, if anything. OTOH, I don't agree that MMO maintenance doses are required on vehicles properly maintained from the beginning simply for peace of mind.
FWIW, a rattle I attributed to the valvetrain completely went away after using Techron. The rattle was there EVERY day since the cold came, then, a half of a tank into a techron run and it's been gone for a week now...Heck of a coincidence /Hijack : )
The boat was bought used for repairs, and cheap. We knew what we were getting into. The engine was tired and probably neglected. We were going to throw a 350 4 bolt main engine into it, but decided to save that motor and re-do the 250 I-6.
You asked would properly maintaining the engine have done anything? Yes, but we bought it knowing what had to be done. We know that since that engine is still in service today after we re-built it, and running great due to proper maintaining it. It sees MMO in the gas all the time, now my brother uses Schaeffers #132 and an MMO mix in the oil.
Our big fear now is the water jackets rotting through since it is salt water cooled. If that happens in goes the old 350 4 bolt main engine.
BTW I enjoy the questions, this is how we all learn.
I'm flying west 3000 miles see you guys soon.
See, there's my sticking point. You bought a neglected motor with sludging and varnish issues. Can any one really tell if the improvement is due to the MMO vs simply finally replacing the oil with fresh stuff? I'm going to have to say that's impossible to answer. IMO, feeling better doesn't do it for me. With an older car I realize that things change, regardless of whether you change anything at all.
Before I used Techron, there would be days the engine would sound/run great, and seem to have more power. Other days, with the same fuel (no adds), oil (no adds,) etc it would have minor hickups or seem to be down on power. I'm very aware of this when I use any fuel additives, and try to distinguish between normal variables and those caused by the additive. That being said, having a rattling/ticking sound that is audible for MILES away suddenly go away after an additive is used for a half of a tanks...I can't really argue with those kinds of results, but I still remain skeptical, realizing that this could very well just be a coincidence.
Enjoy your trip, btw!