Another bite of the Zimmerman apple?

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Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Why is it,though ignored by the hand wringers and political panderers, that the "bad guy", Zimmerman, is on the phone to the "authorities" reporting a suspicious person while the "good guy", (according to the hand wringers anyway) is on the phone to his "3.0" girly friend. I suppose ya don't call "911" when you are getting ready to jump a "creepy cracker", eh?


I see a hot head that wanted action calling 911, and get some action much different from what he asked for and end up using "self defense".

So here's the thing. If you try to look for trouble and the other guy feel threatened by your action, and started the "self defense", and you in return started your own "self defense". Who is at fault?

I think GZ isn't trying to kill the guy initially, but got scared and pull the gun. He is not guilty by the court, but that doesn't mean he is a hero or he was right to do what he did. He did started something out of his own fault (acting like a cop) and another guy died. He is off the hook legally, but IMO he deserved to be sued in civil court because his bad judgement, just like if 2 guy started a bar fight and 1 guy died.
 
George Zimmerman paid condo fees for that gated community.

There is nothing more maddening than having your community vandalized by punks and they always slip away.

They always get the benefit of a doubt, and they like to pray on that fact.

When I was younger my backyard was a thoroughfare of local young jerks who would stomp the garden or ditch stolen bikes there, then climb the fence to get to a newer subdivision.

And you can't do or say anything. The cops didn't care, and if they felt you were trying to discourage them from sneaking through your backyard at 3am, they'd put sand in your gas tank or shoot your windows with BB guns, leaving little cups of glass between the tracks.

Trayvon Martin, when you look after the fact and the trial is all said and done, you realize he was trash. And it had nothing to do with the color of his skin.

He had wounds on his knuckles, the area had a history of break-ins, and he was trying to get an illegal firearm.

He had a backpack with break-in tools and women's jewelery.

He was given every benefit of the doubt to the point of mistrial.

Zimmerman mentored black kids and took a black girl to his high school prom.

You don't call the police before you try to sneakily "end someone" if that were his thrill, that were his goal.

Zimmerman was brought up IN A MIXED RACE HOUSEHOLD. Tolerance?

Trayvon was in a solely black household. Have there been any reports of TM even having one friend that wasn't black?

How else can you weigh tolerance??

Zimmerman made no N-word comments over the phone that night. According to Jeantel, Trayvon was the Racist with his Cracker comments.

The rioting going on right now is Black Racism. Get used to the concept people, black people can be just as racist as anyone else, more so because they feel that there is a debt White Society still owes them.

Everyone loves the Race Card, but America now has a mixed race president with black ancestry.

Zimmerman was overzealous, just like you would be after you had your bike stolen by punks when you were a kid.

Justice happened that night according to the Trial.

The jury SPOKE.

O.J. Simpson was guilty but everyone accepted it, while the black community danced in the streets while two INNOCENT people were almost beheaded with a stiletto.

Also, how could Zimmerman tell if TM was black? It was dark out and he had a hoodie on.

People, really. This is nonsense. GZ had NO wounds on his knuckles, but had some very bloody photos of his wounds that the Media TRIED TO HIDE.

If you believe TM was an innocent marshmallow, look up his double finger salute to the camera.

That is meant for everyone outside of his hellish gangsta life.

Sick.

This is what educated and passionate black upstanding members of the community have to say:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a70_1374030948

I am a mixed race household, lets have common sense people, for the unification of North America.
 
There was an interview with Precious I heard on talk radio this morning. She was trying to say "Cracka is what we be callin da mens who think they be the po-po". Complete [censored]!

I hope she's on Zimmy's "to sue" list. They think they have it so bad here,BUT there's no where else in the world where they'll get everything handed to them for free. One of my best friends is from Guyana,Africa (yes he's black). He said there is no welfare there and if you don't work you die. He works VERY hard and sends money to his tribe back home to help them.
 
Originally Posted By: Falken
George Zimmerman paid condo fees for that gated community.

There is nothing more maddening than having your community vandalized by punks and they always slip away.

They always get the benefit of a doubt, and they like to pray on that fact.

When I was younger my backyard was a thoroughfare of local young jerks who would stomp the garden or ditch stolen bikes there, then climb the fence to get to a newer subdivision.

And you can't do or say anything. The cops didn't care, and if they felt you were trying to discourage them from sneaking through your backyard at 3am, they'd put sand in your gas tank or shoot your windows with BB guns, leaving little cups of glass between the tracks.

Trayvon Martin, when you look after the fact and the trial is all said and done, you realize he was trash. And it had nothing to do with the color of his skin.

He had wounds on his knuckles, the area had a history of break-ins, and he was trying to get an illegal firearm.

He had a backpack with break-in tools and women's jewelery.

He was given every benefit of the doubt to the point of mistrial.

Zimmerman mentored black kids and took a black girl to his high school prom.

You don't call the police before you try to sneakily "end someone" if that were his thrill, that were his goal.

Zimmerman was brought up IN A MIXED RACE HOUSEHOLD. Tolerance?

Trayvon was in a solely black household. Have there been any reports of TM even having one friend that wasn't black?

How else can you weigh tolerance??

Zimmerman made no N-word comments over the phone that night. According to Jeantel, Trayvon was the Racist with his Cracker comments.

The rioting going on right now is Black Racism. Get used to the concept people, black people can be just as racist as anyone else, more so because they feel that there is a debt White Society still owes them.

Everyone loves the Race Card, but America now has a mixed race president with black ancestry.

Zimmerman was overzealous, just like you would be after you had your bike stolen by punks when you were a kid.

Justice happened that night according to the Trial.

The jury SPOKE.

O.J. Simpson was guilty but everyone accepted it, while the black community danced in the streets while two INNOCENT people were almost beheaded with a stiletto.

Also, how could Zimmerman tell if TM was black? It was dark out and he had a hoodie on.

People, really. This is nonsense. GZ had NO wounds on his knuckles, but had some very bloody photos of his wounds that the Media TRIED TO HIDE.

If you believe TM was an innocent marshmallow, look up his double finger salute to the camera.

That is meant for everyone outside of his hellish gangsta life.

Sick.

This is what educated and passionate black upstanding members of the community have to say:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a70_1374030948

I am a mixed race household, lets have common sense people, for the unification of North America.


I have to agree with you have nicely posted.

Also coming from a very mixed raced/cultural family. The using the crutch race card is done by dimwitted and weak minded people.
 
I guess I have to ask when "judged by the content of character" will go both ways?

Here are a few facts for you.

Only 8% of whites in "slave states" owned slaves. Since not all the US allowed slavery, that means over 92% of whites IN THE SOUTH didn't even own slaves. That number is closer to 100% in the north. Those who came from Europe in the late 18th century probably never ever owned slaves.

That means the vast majority of whites either never owned slaves, or came to the US AFTER the slavery question was settled in the mid 19th century.

2. No one alive today in the US has owned slaves. (Save for a few Saudi Arabian princesses)

3. Blacks captured other blacks from rival tribes and sold the captured rival tribes into slavery.

The bottom line is these are NOT racial issues, they are character issues, period.

So when will both sides take MLK seriously and address these issues not as racial issues, but character issues.

I'm not suggesting that GZ or TM were of superior character. I'm suggesting that those who attempt to make a racial issue of this are not furthering the cause of MLK's vision.
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear

I see a hot head that wanted action calling 911, and get some action much different from what he asked for and end up using "self defense".

So here's the thing. If you try to look for trouble and the other guy feel threatened by your action, and started the "self defense", and you in return started your own "self defense". Who is at fault?

I think GZ isn't trying to kill the guy initially, but got scared and pull the gun. He is not guilty by the court, but that doesn't mean he is a hero or he was right to do what he did. He did started something out of his own fault (acting like a cop) and another guy died. He is off the hook legally, but IMO he deserved to be sued in civil court because his bad judgement, just like if 2 guy started a bar fight and 1 guy died.

Why do you see him as a hot head?
 
GZ saw a stranger engaged in what he believed to be odd behavior at night.

He followed him at a distance.

He called the police.

He was physically assaulted by the guy he was following.

He deployed his legally retained firearm to defend himself.


The fact that GZ was charged with anything at all is a travesty in and of itself.
 
All of this Zimmerman stuff does serve a useful function however-it diverts people's attention away from all of the scandals. There are probably quite a few people in Washington DC who are hoping people will forget about the IRS scandal, the NSA scandal, the scandal in Libya, etc. And the mainstream media gets a lot of viewership and various politicians will get votes. It could help them for the 2014 election.

Always follow the money trail. And the political power trail.

Why are the mainstream media people and the politicians ALWAYS able to play everybody? Well, because so many people are uninformed. If you walked down the street and asked people who the Speaker of the House is most people probably would not have a clue. If you asked them how many people had died from gunshot wounds in Chicago during the Zimmerman trail they would not have a clue, but they have an excuse for that-the mainstream media ignores the carnage in Chicago. And so do the civil rights leaders and the politicians.

Pretty nice country, huh?
 
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
This is funny how brain is biased by skin color. You can tell from reading this thread which BITOG member is white vs black.

My own 2 cents: Government has too many big problems on hands to waste time scheming to put GZ behind bars at this point.

On the other had, some politicians can benefit from this diversion.


Don't include me in any kind of racial bias because it is just not true. For one thing GZ is not "white"( his is mixed race and his genes favor latino )so why you think this has anything to do with white vs black is beyond me? Well, unless YOU are being racist or believe white folks can't ever give black folks justice?

I though GZ was properly found not guilty based on the evidence. News flash, I also supported the OJ verdict of not guilty as well( some very shady moves by the police - no choice but NG even though I think he probably did do it or knows who did ).

So my race has no bearing on my views of cases like this. I go by the evidence and not the persons skin color. With that said I will not hesitate to call a bad seed a bad seed if that is what they are and I will do so even if some think I do so simply because of the color of their skin.
 
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Why is it,though ignored by the hand wringers and political panderers, that the "bad guy", Zimmerman, is on the phone to the "authorities" reporting a suspicious person while the "good guy", (according to the hand wringers anyway) is on the phone to his "3.0" girly friend. I suppose ya don't call "911" when you are getting ready to jump a "creepy cracker", eh?


Agreed. GZ called the Police and tried to help his community( maybe he didn't do it the right way that night but he was trying and had done a lot of good in the past )while TM called his girl friend( NOT the Police ), was throwing out racists comments, and had a history of violence and crime. Yet GZ is the "racist" and he should go to jail because he was "out to get someone as a wanna be cop"? I don't get it either??? People can really make you shake your head with their illogical thinking.
 
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Want to know the answers?

John Boehner is Speaker of the House.

There were approximately 61 murders during the Zimmerman Trial in Chicago. 54 were by gunshot. 52 were black, 43 were black males, and 7 children under the age of 18.
 
Originally Posted By: Tempest
Why do you see him as a hot head?


He preempt the whole thing to begin with. I would back GZ if TM is coming out of a house with stolen items or has a gun.

Originally Posted By: Tempest
GZ saw a stranger engaged in what he believed to be odd behavior at night.

He followed him at a distance.

He called the police.

He was physically assaulted by the guy he was following.

He deployed his legally retained firearm to defend himself.


The fact that GZ was charged with anything at all is a travesty in and of itself.


But TM is not in the middle of a crime, so GZ's preemptive action is now backfiring on him.

This is the same problem as if someone seeing a guy walking in the middle of the street, found the wrong house and knock on it cursing, and the people inside the house fire 1 round through the door. It is not the right action to get yourself into a position for self defense. My problem is GZ get himself into a position that he can justify self defense rather than avoiding it.

He make a mistake, he better take responsibility of it. Someone else is dead because of his neglect (you shoot someone when it can be avoided to begin with if you do not follow him), you face trail. It is that simple.
 
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Want to know the answers?

John Boehner is Speaker of the House.

There were approximately 61 murders during the Zimmerman Trial in Chicago. 54 were by gunshot. 52 were black, 43 were black males, and 7 children under the age of 18.


You do know that John Boehner represents the Ohio district in which I reside?
Not sure how violence in Chicago and an Ohio member of the House are related.
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: Tempest
Why do you see him as a hot head?


He preempt the whole thing to begin with. I would back GZ if TM is coming out of a house with stolen items or has a gun.

Originally Posted By: Tempest
GZ saw a stranger engaged in what he believed to be odd behavior at night.

He followed him at a distance.

He called the police.

He was physically assaulted by the guy he was following.

He deployed his legally retained firearm to defend himself.


The fact that GZ was charged with anything at all is a travesty in and of itself.


But TM is not in the middle of a crime, so GZ's preemptive action is now backfiring on him.

This is the same problem as if someone seeing a guy walking in the middle of the street, found the wrong house and knock on it cursing, and the people inside the house fire 1 round through the door. It is not the right action to get yourself into a position for self defense. My problem is GZ get himself into a position that he can justify self defense rather than avoiding it.

He make a mistake, he better take responsibility of it. Someone else is dead because of his neglect (you shoot someone when it can be avoided to begin with if you do not follow him), you face trail. It is that simple.


If it was as easy to avoid a self defense situation as you seem to think it is then self defense would not even be something we talk of. I agree to a point about GZ putting himself into a bad situation but when it turned violent and deadly was when TM attacked him. He did not need to do that. He choose to go after GZ and assault him and as a result GZ had to defend himself and TM was killed. Is GZ an angel? No. Is he a murderer? No.
 
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Why is it,though ignored by the hand wringers and political panderers, that the "bad guy", Zimmerman, is on the phone to the "authorities" reporting a suspicious person while the "good guy", (according to the hand wringers anyway) is on the phone to his "3.0" girly friend. I suppose ya don't call "911" when you are getting ready to jump a "creepy cracker", eh?


did you listen to the unedited version of 911 call recording from GZ and how he referred to people like TM?
(opening sentence of the 1st day of trial from the defense attorney - find it and listen )

He planned the thing from the very beginning, even while on the phone at the very beginning, IMO, AND chose to follow TM against 911 advice.

And that TM attacked him while GZ was returning to the car is not a fact - only GZ told us that - of course he would. He lied.
 
Originally Posted By: Tempest


Why do you see him as a hot head?


He was charged with “resisting officer with violence”. The charge was waived because he entered an alcohol education program. The judge was kind enough to not stick him with a 3rd degree felony.

He had a restraining order granted against him for domestic violence.

He probably should have not had a Concealed Carry Permit based on a history of domestic violence.

We don't really know what happened. Probably won't ever know because one of the two people involved is dead. There are big gaps in Zimmerman's story. Stuff doesn't add up. Was it enough to convict him beyond a reasonable doubt? Obviously not.

I agree with some of what Mike Huckabee said. George Zimmerman is not a hero. Trayvon Martin was not a hero. It is a tragedy.

But IMHO, George Zimmerman is a cop wannabe who will soon find himself in trouble for something else. He's skated on the fringes of a felony convictions. I don't think he'll learn.
 
Wow was this ever correct. And guess what? NBC has not really changed.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/LIE/nbc.html

Quote:
But most journalists and, for that matter, most news consumers seemed to agree with former NBC News president Reuven Frank, who said, ''This is the worst black eye NBC News has suffered in my experience, which goes back to 1950.'' How could NBC go so far wrong? One veteran correspondent was not surprised. ''The whole atmosphere'' has been so competitive and overeager, he said, that the network was ''an accident waiting to happen.'' More details may emerge from NBC's investigation, but it is already clear that employees fell into some familiar traps:

1. CHOOSE A SEXY TOPIC AND SELL IT SEXILY. Video newsmagazines are proliferating because they are cheaper, and thus more profitable, than comedy or drama. But to beat the tabloid ''news'' and talk shows, network magazines increasingly concentrate on crime, celebrities and scandals -- and on graphic visual imagery. Gartner says NBC would have had a perfectly sound, valid and sensible 14-min. story about the controversy without a crash. But the producers felt the story would be stronger with one.

2. PICTURES ARE EVERYTHING. The firm that NBC hired staged just two crashes. GM trucks do not, of course, explode in half of all sideways collisions, or there wouldn't be many left on the road. So the consultants helped things along. As GM later demonstrated, the truck that did burn -- apparently because it had an ill-fitting gas-tank cap, made for a different truck -- ignited for only about 15 sec. But to ensure that its images were graphic, NBC used tightly edited shots in which the flames looked much worse.

3. TRUST THE EXPERTS. NBC's testers insisted that the rockets wouldn't matter unless fuel was spilled, and that on the actual day the explosion was sparked by a broken headlamp anyway. The producers were so taken with this reasoning that they forgot the basic question, Is it fair? The essential contract is not with any source or expert, but with the reader or viewer, who is entitled to the facts to judge for himself.

4. CIRCLE THE WAGONS. Journalists are so often assailed by news subjects protesting stories that are fair and true -- but inconvenient -- that they tend to dismiss all complaints. It was ill advised of the story's producers to answer GM without consulting NBC's legal department or journalistic superiors. It was loyal but just as unwise for Gartner to reaffirm the story later without checking. Even the ablest journalist sometimes gets things wrong.

What will this episode mean for NBC News? Theories last week ranged from short-term embarrassment all the way up to demise. The most probable result is that all TV-news shows will look for more about celebrities, crime and vastly less complex scandals.
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear

He make a mistake, he better take responsibility of it. Someone else is dead because of his neglect (you shoot someone when it can be avoided to begin with if you do not follow him), you face trail. It is that simple.


Mr. Zimmerman faced a trial (which is what you meant, right?). The evidence was presented. The jury reached a verdict. Not Guilty...and the simple point is this: that trial is now over.

Why can't folks accept the outcome of the trial?

Or, do you think that he should face trial over and over until the public gets the verdict they want based on an emotional interpretation of select facts?

That's what is happening here on BITOG, on the talk shows, in the press and in public conversation. Mr. Zimmerman is being tried over and over again....
 
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