Another bite of the Zimmerman apple?

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: 97tbird
911 tells GZ not to follow, and he does JUST that, and ends up killing TM.
He should have been punished - he didn't even testify, guilty as [censored].
His life will never be the same though; and he deserves it.


Factually incorrect. A common misconception from the press portrayal. When the 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman to stop following, he stopped following and started to return to his truck.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

Zimmerman was jumped by Martin when he was returning to his truck. They fought. Zimmerman had done nothing illegal at this point. Martin just did. Zimmerman was losing the fight quickly and felt his life was threatened.

What did Zimmerman say to the police when they told him they had videotaped the shooting? Please look it up.

What is so difficult to comprehend about these facts? The jury heard the truth. They came to the only sensible verdict. Yet you won't believe it. Why???

Here's the disgusting part:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/16/DOJ-phone-call-Zimmerman

What about Zimmerman's civil rights????

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: Drew99GT

He's already suing NBC for their slander. Next up, CNN for airing all his personal information (including SSN).


Im not particularly a fan of the guy, and even less of a fan of the reckless speculation of just how innocent he is really. But Im less of a fan of thuggish people in the neighborhood. All the same, Im not on the jury and my speculation is as bad as anyone elses'...

But for this kind of behavior, I hope he makes a LOT of money off of NBC and CNN.

 

[aquariuscsm]

I hope Zimmy sues and becomes a VERY rich man. We`ve got your back Zimmy!

 

[Nick R]

Originally Posted By: DrDusty86
Wearing a hoodie in a subdivision gets him no browny points with me. He dressed thuggish, probably talked smack to GZ playing the part he dressed. WHAT WAS HE DOING WALKING AROUND AT 2:00AM anyway? looking for a place to break in and steal stuff.


Since when is dressing in a hoodie dressing as a thug? In what universe? Stop being silly. Also, it's pretty well established he went to the store and was on his way back home >:|

 

[Nick R]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
911 tells GZ not to follow, and he does JUST that, and ends up killing TM.
He should have been punished - he didn't even testify, guilty as [censored].
His life will never be the same though; and he deserves it.


Factually incorrect. A common misconception from the press portrayal. When the 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman to stop following, he stopped following and started to return to his truck.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

Zimmerman was jumped by Martin when he was returning to his truck. They fought. Zimmerman had done nothing illegal at this point. Martin just did. Zimmerman was losing the fight quickly and felt his life was threatened.

What did Zimmerman say to the police when they told him they had videotaped the shooting? Please look it up.

What is so difficult to comprehend about these facts? The jury heard the truth. They came to the only sensible verdict. Yet you won't believe it. Why???

Here's the disgusting part:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/16/DOJ-phone-call-Zimmerman

What about Zimmerman's civil rights????



The issue I have is you are basing the assumption that he was heading back to his truck on his own testimony. therefor, is that the truth? We don't know. It is just as possible that he continued following Martin. there is no evidence one way or the other.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
911 tells GZ not to follow, and he does JUST that, and ends up killing TM.
He should have been punished - he didn't even testify, guilty as [censored].
His life will never be the same though; and he deserves it.


Factually incorrect. A common misconception from the press portrayal. When the 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman to stop following, he stopped following and started to return to his truck.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

Zimmerman was jumped by Martin when he was returning to his truck. They fought. Zimmerman had done nothing illegal at this point. Martin just did. Zimmerman was losing the fight quickly and felt his life was threatened.

What did Zimmerman say to the police when they told him they had videotaped the shooting? Please look it up.

What is so difficult to comprehend about these facts? The jury heard the truth. They came to the only sensible verdict. Yet you won't believe it. Why???

Here's the disgusting part:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/16/DOJ-phone-call-Zimmerman

What about Zimmerman's civil rights????



The issue I have is you are basing the assumption that he was heading back to his truck on his own testimony. therefor, is that the truth? We don't know. It is just as possible that he continued following Martin. there is no evidence one way or the other.


Yes, but using that argument you are equally wrong in assuming that he's perjuring himself with his testimony regarding what happened. Pablo could take equal issue with your post taking issue with his because you have nothing compelling that "he might be lying" to counter his claim with. You just think he's guilty and the verdict was wrong, that's what's really the issue here.

 

[123Saab]

Zimmerman does not have to go to jail.

He sentenced himself to a life of misery.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: DrDusty86
Wearing a hoodie in a subdivision gets him no browny points with me. He dressed thuggish, probably talked smack to GZ playing the part he dressed. WHAT WAS HE DOING WALKING AROUND AT 2:00AM anyway? looking for a place to break in and steal stuff.


Since when is dressing in a hoodie dressing as a thug? In what universe? Stop being silly. Also, it's pretty well established he went to the store and was on his way back home >:|

Nick, I think you are being a bit naive. I don't think it is silly at all to think that a guy a in hoodie at 2AM is projecting a "thug" image. While that may not necessarily correlate with the individual's actual intentions, if you dress the part the odds are certainly in favour of somebody thinking you walk it.

 

[KitaCam]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: DrDusty86
Wearing a hoodie in a subdivision gets him no browny points with me. He dressed thuggish, probably talked smack to GZ playing the part he dressed. WHAT WAS HE DOING WALKING AROUND AT 2:00AM anyway? looking for a place to break in and steal stuff.


Since when is dressing in a hoodie dressing as a thug? In what universe? Stop being silly. Also, it's pretty well established he went to the store and was on his way back home >:|

Nick, I think you are being a bit naive. I don't think it is silly at all to think that a guy a in hoodie at 2AM is projecting a "thug" image. While that may not necessarily correlate with the individual's actual intentions, if you dress the part the odds are certainly in favour of somebody thinking you walk it.


THE INCIDENT OCCURRED AT 7PM NOT 2AM...PLEASE STOP REPOSTING THIS...

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: KitaCam
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: DrDusty86
Wearing a hoodie in a subdivision gets him no browny points with me. He dressed thuggish, probably talked smack to GZ playing the part he dressed. WHAT WAS HE DOING WALKING AROUND AT 2:00AM anyway? looking for a place to break in and steal stuff.


Since when is dressing in a hoodie dressing as a thug? In what universe? Stop being silly. Also, it's pretty well established he went to the store and was on his way back home >:|

Nick, I think you are being a bit naive. I don't think it is silly at all to think that a guy a in hoodie at 2AM is projecting a "thug" image. While that may not necessarily correlate with the individual's actual intentions, if you dress the part the odds are certainly in favour of somebody thinking you walk it.


THE INCIDENT OCCURRED AT 7PM NOT 2AM...PLEASE STOP REPOSTING THIS...


I should probably have clarified that my response was in respect to Nick disagreeing with Dusty as to what constituted a "thug" image and wasn't meant to coincide with the actual timeline of the events of the case. Dusty said 2AM, Nick disagreed, so I used 2AM as well.

That being said, I see guys acting all "thug" every day and it doesn't have anything to do with the time of day. However, if I was out walking and it was early evening I would certainly find the presence of somebody projecting that image more unnerving that somebody dressed like Richard Simmons, LOL!

 

[123Saab]

Lets just all start following "Suspicious" people and confront them while carrying arms, Just to make sure law abiding citizens that do carry arms can be even more stereotyped...

God forbid we actually admit The zimmerman case had nothing to do with guns or stand your ground.

The only reason this whole thing happened was because of his poor judgement. Period.

 

[antiqueshell]

The biggest disgrace in the mass media (TV) is the apparent fact that I have YET to see a picture of Trayvon Martin at 17 in which he is shown giving the finger to the camera and looking very much the criminal thug. Instead the mass media is showing a
"composite" picture of the punk at around 11 or 12 years of age.

If you look closely at the most popular mass media photo I believe it is in fact not even real, but a computer generated enhancement.
Very strange!

 

[123Saab]

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
The biggest disgrace in the mass media (TV) is the apparent fact that I have YET to see a picture of Trayvon Martin at 17 in which he is shown giving the finger to the camera and looking very much the criminal thug. Instead the mass media is showing a
"composite" picture of the punk at around 11 or 12 years of age.

If you look closely at the most popular mass media photo I believe it is in fact not even real, but a computer generated enhancement.
Very strange!


So you just need to see a Thug picture of martin, Real or not?

Then you could go to bed happy?

Very Strange!

 

[123Saab]

Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
We don't know what happened between Zimmerman and Martin.
We only know what Zimmerman told the world.
We do know that Zimmerman was acquited, and that should be the end of it.
Your post is nothing more than race baiting, something we should all avoid.
We are supposed to know what Martin told the star state witness on the phone, If the jury could have been able to understand her "new generation" speak.


You are a Racist [censored] Sir.

 

[antiqueshell]

You're missing my point...or not. lOL

I see a lot of folks try and side step such very odd and strange actions on the part of the media. The fact is that at the time of this incident Trayvon Martin was NOT 11-12 years old, and he looked NOTHING like that odd picture that the mass media seems fixated on showing at every opportunity. Why not show a picture of him at about the age he was AS he was?

As for people attempting to smear folks by calling them racist...that word "racist", was a term coined by a jewish man named Leon Trotsky. Who cares about what he thought? LOL

 

[123Saab]

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
You're missing my point...or not. lOL

I see a lot of folks try and side step such very odd and strange actions on the part of the media. The fact is that at the time of this incident Trayvon Martin was NOT 11-12 years old, and he looked NOTHING like that odd picture that the mass media seems fixated on showing at every opportunity. Why not show a picture of him at about the age he was AS he was?

As for people attempting to smear folks by calling them racist...that word "racist", was a term coined by a jewish man named Leon Trotsky. Who cares about what he thought? LOL


Read your own post?

"Finger" "Punk"

 

[JOD]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL

Nick, I think you are being a bit naive. I don't think it is silly at all to think that a guy a in hoodie at 2AM is projecting a "thug" image. While that may not necessarily correlate with the individual's actual intentions, if you dress the part the odds are certainly in favour of somebody thinking you walk it.


First off, why is this still an issue? The trial is over. Oh, wait, people are faux outraged over what they think may happen.

Secondly, have you actually seen the picture of his dead body? I won't link it here, but needless to say your image misrepresents things about as much as those pictures of a 12 year old TM or those darkened images of GZ. He looked like he was out of a J Crew ad. Of course, that doesn't fit the narrative some would like to paint.

 

[TrevorS]

My take:

Trayvon was not doing anything wrong, legally or otherwise, when he walked in his own complex.

Very possibly, he was legally standing his ground when a large threatening looking thug followed him. This thug was not law enforcement and was not officially neighborhood watch. He was a multiple time rejected wanna be cop.

Yet he is dead and the person who instigated his death is free.

Only one person did anything wrong that day and it was the person who instigated the confrontation. Zimmerman received advice from law enforcement not to follow Trayvon and chose to ignore that advice. You can see why he was rejected by law enforcement. He does not have the judgement or temperament to carry out actions that promote keeping of the peace and prevention of harm to people and property.

He has admitted being the instigator of the incident and needs to take some sort of responsibility for Trayvons death at his instigation.

Whatever comes his way from the media, civil rights movements, federal justice departments, are a direct result of his decision to ignore the advice he received from law enforcement.

 

[Win]

A lot of really bad lawyering going on in these TM threads.

First, you guys complaining that GZ did not testify need to look at the bill of rights, particularly the one numbered five, your original civics teachers should be fired on the spot, and you should all take a remedial course in basic civics, and pay attention this time.

Second, because the state and the fed are two different sovereigns, double jeopardy does not apply.

Third, the last experience I had with the civil rights division of the justice department was in the late 90's and it seemed like little more than an extension of the infamous Southern Poverty Law Center at that time. Has it gotten any better? Well, the new Black Panthers were on video intimidating white voters at polling sites and drew a pass, so I'd have to say not. What Mr. Zimmerman has going for him is that it was a pathetically weak criminal case, and looks to be a pathetically weak civil rights case, and the feds absolutely hate to lose cases. I'd put his chances at 50/50 here of having to deal with the feds in a civil rights case. Of course it's a foregone conclusion they'll sic the IRS on him and possibly his lawyers and family.

Fourth, a civil case against him by the survivors of the decedent will be vigorously contested. I don't know if FL is a pure contributory negligence state, or a comparative fault state, but you can bet the decedents conduct will be scrutinized much more detail than it was in the criminal trial against his assailant.

Fifth, quoting Wikipedia is useless. If you want to know how a state defines a crime, you have to look at that state's statutes and case law.

 

[Astro14]

Originally Posted By: 123Saab
Lets just all start following "Suspicious" people and confront them while carrying arms, Just to make sure law abiding citizens that do carry arms can be even more stereotyped...

God forbid we actually admit The zimmerman case had nothing to do with guns or stand your ground.

The only reason this whole thing happened was because of his poor judgement. Period.


Whose poor judgement?

At some point TM was on top of GZ hitting him.

The forensic evidence showed that the shots were fired upward into TM.

Certainly both men could have done things to avoid the physical altercation that caused GZ to fear for his life.

Yes, I said men. A 17 year old who stands 6'1" isn't a boy as portrayed in the media...