Amsoil Warranty????

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Does anyone know if Amsoil offers a warranty againist engine failures like Pennzoil does. I notice on their website that they state you do not have to use a 5w-20 oil and that the dealers are just trying to scare you and that this is mainly about C.A.F.E. Is Amsoil willing to back that up. In other words if I choose to run Amsoil 10w30 in my truck (2004 F150 5.4l V-8)and have a top end failure, say the cam does not get properly lubricated, will Amsoil pay for my engine. Maybe Pablo can answer this one???
Dave
 
Getting through all of the legal-eese is quite a chore, but there is a warranty with specified limits, documentation requirements, oil sample requirements, etc.
 
Have you ever known of anyone with an oil related engine failure? It just does not happen with any kind of reasonable OCI. It does not happen with terrible OCIs. In order to be covered you must do OCIs in accoordance with the rules. Oils don't fail following the rules.
 
Are you saying so long as I change my oil at 3000-5000 miles that I could likely get away with 5w30 or 10w30 in a truck spec'ed for 5w-20. I would sure hope so because that is how I'm leaning again.
 
Why don't you just use the Motorcraft 5w-20. It has shown good UOAs in the Ford modular V-8 motors. I have been using it in my wife's 2002 Windstar and that has an older design 3.8l V-6 and I have no problems with it in 39,000 miles. Also if the truck is under warranty you would be better off using what is recommended.
 
Please don't anyone take this the wrong way, I have'nt decided for sure which way to go, I waffle back and forth. BUT the main reason I don't go with 5w-20 is I don't like Ford and or the EPA shoving their stupid CAFE requirements down my throat. I want to see some hard evidence besides a few UOA's that this oil can hold up. Especially down here in the Summer Heat.
BTW I think this is one of the best sites with the best people on the Web. Thanks Guys !!!
Dave
 
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Originally posted by 2004 F150 4x4:
Are you saying so long as I change my oil at 3000-5000 miles that I could likely get away with 5w30 or 10w30 in a truck spec'ed for 5w-20. I would sure hope so because that is how I'm leaning again.

You could get by with 15w40 or 20w50. I bet there are thousands of F150's in fleets that get a 15w40 along with all the diesels.

That being said, Amsoil will cover their warrenty, and I'm currently using the 10w30 in my 97 F150 4.6L. I only have 5000 on the oil so I can't say how well it's holding up. I'll probably do an analysis next June/July timeframe, if you stick around till then I'll probably be posting that.
 
MS beat me to it, but if your engine fails due to the oil, Amsoil will buy you a new engine. Have any new engines failed due to an oil? Never seen, nor heard of this.
 
Millions of engines have run on 10w30 for years and years. Your engine is nothing special, it will too.
 
By the way, do you realize how many "loose" engines ran on a poor quality 20w oil in the 50's and 60's? MOst engines short of a "street monster" will run on 5w20 oils without a problem.
 
If you're going to change your oil at least every 5,000 miles in order to keep your warranty either use the Motorcraft 5W-20 "water" or use a quality 10w30 dino. If you use a dino 5w30 it's only going to become a "poor" 20 weight anyway. After your warranty is up and if you want to go to longer OCI's then use a quality synthetic such as Amsoil 10w30 if it makes you comfortable. Their 10w30 probably has a better cold pumpability than a dino 5w30 anyway. But I'd be very leerly of using a 40 or 50 weight oil with that new design Trition engine. Remember your 2004 5.4
is much different than the original 5.4's from 1997-2003. But then again I'd also be leery of using that heavy of an oil in any Triton engine.

Whimsey
 
"Remember your 2004 5.4
is much different than the original 5.4's from 1997-2003. But then again I'd also be leery of using that heavy of an oil in any Triton engine."

What EXACTLY is different about it. I would'nt run 40w or 50w but I would like to run a good 10w30.
 
Dave - The new 5w30 synthetic blend GF-4's for Motorcraft & Phillips 66 TropArtic should hit the shelves very soon & would be a good choices for your application.

I think the styling of the 2004 F150's is really sharp & share your concerns about running 5W-20 in the crankcase.

Maybe riding around with a couple of bottles of Delvac & Rotella 15w40 HDEO laying in the box would help a guy get thru this "anxiety" phase.
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Brings up something interesting. Aside from quick lube places and dealer service, has anyone ever heard of experienced a oil company or any company replacing an engine from their product warranty?

Its great to get the fuzzy's of all these companies touting they will replace your engine if something bad happens when using their product, but whats say something does fail I am sure there is a lot one has to go through in order to first prove it was their product then the actual task of getting them to pony up an engine.
 
Amsoil's warranty has huge holes in it. The final thing is that the car or truck owner doesn't want to find the cause of his engine problem, he just wants it fixed. Amsoil requires:
--quote--
Customer shall also, within 30 days of failure, notify AMSOIL INC. and provide the following:
(a.) An eight (8) ounce representative oil sample taken from the failed equipment and put into a clean container.
(b.) Documentation including make, model, and year of equipment, total accumulated miles and/or hours, and duty cycle or service environment.
(c.) Equipment or vehicle maintenance history documentation including miles or hours at the time of AMSOIL lubricant installation, general equipment repairs, and oil analysis results if available.
(d.) Proof of purchase for AMSOIL lubricant.
(e.) Batch number from oil container or Certificate of Analysis.
--end quote--

Who could provide all this stuff after his car was towed into a dealership and the first thing they do is to drain the oil and pull the pan? Who's got the batch number from the empty oil bottle?

Amsoil also excludes:
"Failure of equipment due to a pre-existing condition that is unrelated to the use of AMSOIL." and, "Failure was the result of an OEM defect."

So some poor schmuck is running his Amsoil 0w30 for 11 months and 34,000 miles when something breaks in his engine. He just wants his engine fixed. The dealership denies his warranty claim because he didn't change his oil on schedule. What does the guy do now? His oil is in the recycling tank, his engine is in pieces, nobody knows if the damage is caused by the oil, by a pre-existing condition or OEM defect, and his car isn't getting fixed.


Ken
 
The Amsoil, Pennzoil, and any other oil warranty is protection from an oil related failure. Not any failure just a failure caused by the oil failing. If you oil pump goes out no one will buy you a new engine. If the timimg chain breaks and valves go through the pistons no one is going to fix it for you unless the chain broke because the oil failed. Normal engine wear is excluded.

The bottom line is that if you follow the warranty guidelines the oil will not fail.
 
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Originally posted by Ugly3:
Have you ever known of anyone with an oil related engine failure? It just does not happen with any kind of reasonable OCI. It does not happen with terrible OCIs. In order to be covered you must do OCIs in accoordance with the rules. Oils don't fail following the rules.

Johnny has stated on this board that Pennzoil has paid for engines under their extended oil warrantee. I don't know any specifics, but maybe Johnny will chime in.
 
C4Dave - Johnny has stated on this board that Pennzoil has paid for engines under their extended oil warrantee.

I would like to hear about that. I can not imagine Pennzoil "failing" with a required 4,000 change interval. Should be interesting.
 
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