Amsoil "Torque Drive" (Allison "TransSynd")

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Anyone have any experiance with the Amsoil "Torque-Drive" fluid for Mercon applications? (It's a clone of the Allison TransSynd ATF which was developed to replace Mercon DexIII)

I'm toying with the idea to replace the Mercon/DexIII ATF in a Ford/Mazda CD4E transmission with syn for a more or less "lifetime" fill.

Since my '06 CD4E is "Mercon Only" as per the owners manual and previous Ford TSB's, I like the fact that the Torque-Drive is not Mercon V rated.

http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/atd.aspx

Drew
 
Ford introduced a TSB last summer that told people that it is safe to use Mercon V in all applications that previously called for Mercon, even ones that previously said Mercon only.
 
Originally Posted By: Drew2000
Anyone have any experiance with the Amsoil "Torque-Drive" fluid for Mercon applications? (It's a clone of the Allison TransSynd ATF which was developed to replace Mercon DexIII)

I'm toying with the idea to replace the Mercon/DexIII ATF in a Ford/Mazda CD4E transmission with syn for a more or less "lifetime" fill.

Since my '06 CD4E is "Mercon Only" as per the owners manual and previous Ford TSB's, I like the fact that the Torque-Drive is not Mercon V rated.

http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/atd.aspx?zo=515729

Drew


I now have a number of customers running ATD in Mercon applications, and 100% loving it. I steer them to ATD before ATF.

Funny thing is - I didn't used to pay that close attention to ATD, and one day several years ago a customer called me and said "I just bought that ATD stuff and put it in my Ford truck and it works great, better than anything...." I'm saying to myself - well OK but it's not recommended for Mercon apps and just when I started to open my yap, he says "I'm sure glad Amsoil added it to the interweb site last week" Phew....I said "Cool"....how about them Red Sox?

Anyway no complaints!

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Originally Posted By: Pablo
I now have a number of customers running ATD in Mercon applications, and 100% loving it. I steer them to ATD before ATF.

Hey Pablo - why ATD over ATF? I'm curious...

thanks!
-ben
 
Originally Posted By: kd5byb

Hey Pablo - why ATD over ATF? I'm curious...

thanks!
-ben


Mainly starting viscosity and gear protection. Nothing wrong with ATF, but the heavier duty ATD with better film strength and EP/AW package is better for both earlier Mercon and Dexron applications.

100% sure the Dexron VI fellows get all fired up about this. Frankly I don't care what they think - because when they hear "Dexron III" all they think about is "unlicensed conventional ATF" and can't seem to get beyond that intellectually.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: kd5byb

Hey Pablo - why ATD over ATF? I'm curious...

thanks!
-ben


Mainly starting viscosity and gear protection. Nothing wrong with ATF, but the heavier duty ATD with better film strength and EP/AW package is better for both earlier Mercon and Dexron

I thought we had this discussion already. Film strength can be affected by more than just the oil viscosity.
 
Originally Posted By: The Critic

I thought we had this discussion already. Film strength can be affected by more than just the oil viscosity.


And I showed you up that time as well. Please show me where I said film strength = viscosity.
 
Whoops, I didn't catch the other part of your post. Sorry.

Even with the added EP/AW package, I don't think ATD has higher film strength than Dexron-VI under every situation.
 
so pablo, you would recommend the ATD instead of the ATF in my situation also? its an dex3 auto transmission. mainly highway use and some pulling
 
To add my 02 even though it has nothing to do with this thread.. Been running ATD for a long time in the Acura and loving it. Waiting on my first UOA.
 
Originally Posted By: BuickGN
To add my 02 even though it has nothing to do with this thread.. Been running ATD for a long time in the Acura and loving it. Waiting on my first UOA.


what atf does your acura call for?? i think the torque drive (in relation to toyotas) specs dexIII and not TIV.
 
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Film strength can be affected by more than just the oil viscosity.

I still wish one of the guys "in the know" would chime in here on this one.
 
Originally Posted By: mikeg5
so pablo, you would recommend the ATD instead of the ATF in my situation also? its an dex3 auto transmission. mainly highway use and some pulling


Your choice. I would use ATD.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo

Mainly starting viscosity and gear protection. Nothing wrong with ATF, but the heavier duty ATD with better film strength and EP/AW package is better for both earlier Mercon and Dexron applications.


Very interesting! When I was buying DexIII for my Tundra/Lancer power steering, I went right to ATF without looking at ATD. (Tundra uses WS in the transmission and the Lancer is a 5 speed, so this is solely a PS application.)

I hate to glom onto this thread, but is ATD preferred in PS units over ATF? Sure, I know ATF is better than dino DexIII so I've already upgraded over stock. But, being anal, I've got to know...
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thanks,
ben
 
Originally Posted By: mikeg5
Originally Posted By: BuickGN
To add my 02 even though it has nothing to do with this thread.. Been running ATD for a long time in the Acura and loving it. Waiting on my first UOA.


what atf does your acura call for?? i think the torque drive (in relation to toyotas) specs dexIII and not TIV.


Honda Z1.
 
Originally Posted By: onion
Pablo- in what applications would you reccomend Amsoil ATF over ATD? And why?


I am interested in using the ATD in my 2007 Civic LX. Amsoil Universal ATF has a viscosity of 6.8 @ 100°C, whereas ATD has a viscosity of 7.41 @ 100°C. This leads me to believe that the ATD will provide better protection than the Universal ATF, but I may not be seeing the big picture. Pablo should be able to clear this up. I wonder why Amsoil opted not to sell ATD in quart bottles?
 
Originally Posted By: Lyondellic
Originally Posted By: onion
Pablo- in what applications would you reccomend Amsoil ATF over ATD? And why?


I am interested in using the ATD in my 2007 Civic LX. Amsoil Universal ATF has a viscosity of 6.8 @ 100°C, whereas ATD has a viscosity of 7.41 @ 100°C. This leads me to believe that the ATD will provide better protection than the Universal ATF, but I may not be seeing the big picture. Pablo should be able to clear this up. I wonder why Amsoil opted not to sell ATD in quart bottles?

Here's another point of view. Dexron-VI has a lower starting viscosity than III(H), but offers better wear protection and higher film thickness. You can draw your own conclusions.
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Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: Lyondellic
Originally Posted By: onion
Pablo- in what applications would you reccomend Amsoil ATF over ATD? And why?


I am interested in using the ATD in my 2007 Civic LX. Amsoil Universal ATF has a viscosity of 6.8 @ 100°C, whereas ATD has a viscosity of 7.41 @ 100°C. This leads me to believe that the ATD will provide better protection than the Universal ATF, but I may not be seeing the big picture. Pablo should be able to clear this up. I wonder why Amsoil opted not to sell ATD in quart bottles?

Here's another point of view. Dexron-VI has a lower starting viscosity than III(H), but offers better wear protection and higher film thickness. You can draw your own conclusions.
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Be careful what you read from The Critic. Of course he is correct, but he leaves out certain details. I'm not sure yet why he does this.

Absolutely Dex VI has "a lower starting viscosity than III(H), but offers better wear protection and higher film thickness." Why would anyone think it doesn't? Again he is talking about a generically formulated petroleum based, non specialized conventional Dex III. I did not notice this was related to the topic at hand.

Now to answer the question at hand.

I only recommend ATD for the applications Amsoil recommends it for. That's sort of a vanilla bland statement, I realize, but it's the core of my recommendation: My recommendation for ATD does not include newer Hondas. (You are welcome to try it on your own, I guess)

I do recommend ATD over Amsoil ATF in any hard driven, HD GM where Dex III was originally recommended, I recommend ATD in similar Mercon applications. Amsoil is not currently packaging ATD in quarts because it's primarily a not product for the home user.
 
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