Amsoil Signature okay for 15k hard use?

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Originally Posted By: steve20
^^^ Pablo read the statement you posted---it says absolutely nothing of value


I would stay with the 5K OCI using the green bottle or the yellow bottle. Lots of stuff happens furthur on down the road like, Oh I don't know, maybe the engine eating its catalytic converter, maybe the hardening wasn't done right on the cams, maybe not enough drain holes in the piston land, and only shows up after 40K and they decide to extend the warranty to folks who have proved they serviced vehicle accordingly. Where will you be with an extended OCI in this situation?


It's on them to prove that I didn't. Companies can't force you to come to them for maintenance.
 
Originally Posted By: steve20
^^^ Pablo read the statement you posted---it says absolutely nothing of value


I would stay with the 5K OCI using the green bottle or the yellow bottle. Lots of stuff happens furthur on down the road like, Oh I don't know, maybe the engine eating its catalytic converter, maybe the hardening wasn't done right on the cams, maybe not enough drain holes in the piston land, and only shows up after 40K and they decide to extend the warranty to folks who have proved they serviced vehicle accordingly. Where will you be with an extended OCI in this situation?


Extended OCIs will not void your warranty and actually by pointing out engine manufacturer's defects and in particular defects they admit to, you actually make my point.

Listen, I'm just trying to dispel a common BITOG myth. Just because a group of people repeat something here, does not make it the truth.
 
Originally Posted By: steve20
^^^ Pablo read the statement you posted---it says absolutely nothing of value


I would stay with the 5K OCI using the green bottle or the yellow bottle. Lots of stuff happens furthur on down the road like, Oh I don't know, maybe the engine eating its catalytic converter, maybe the hardening wasn't done right on the cams, maybe not enough drain holes in the piston land, and only shows up after 40K and they decide to extend the warranty to folks who have proved they serviced vehicle accordingly. Where will you be with an extended OCI in this situation?




They can't pick and choose who they extend warranties for.

and as I posted above he link to Amsoil about new car Warranties. that clearly people are to lazy to go read, and Pablo re-iterated they can't cancel warranty unless it was the oils fault. which amsoil in that case would cover it if it was an oil problem of they're product.
 
Originally Posted By: Mach1Owner
Manual says every 5k miles. but if an engine is to fail that much that the oil is inspected, there is a major issue going on, that would have failed either way.


What about when the dealer says: Please provide us with your written proof of oil changes every 5000 miles so we can process your warranty claim.
 
Originally Posted By: Flareside302
Originally Posted By: steve20
^^^ Pablo read the statement you posted---it says absolutely nothing of value


I would stay with the 5K OCI using the green bottle or the yellow bottle. Lots of stuff happens furthur on down the road like, Oh I don't know, maybe the engine eating its catalytic converter, maybe the hardening wasn't done right on the cams, maybe not enough drain holes in the piston land, and only shows up after 40K and they decide to extend the warranty to folks who have proved they serviced vehicle accordingly. Where will you be with an extended OCI in this situation?




They can't pick and choose who they extend warranties for.

and as I posted above he link to Amsoil about new car Warranties. that clearly people are to lazy to go read, and Pablo re-iterated they can't cancel warranty unless it was the oils fault. which amsoil in that case would cover it if it was an oil problem of they're product.


Oh yes they can. You guys are dreaming if you think they can't deny warranty based on failure to follow recommended oil service intervals. Then you can hire an attorney for $5-10k and fight it. Meanwhile Amsoil will tell you they will only cover it if their oil was at fault which they will say you must prove it wasn't.
 
Originally Posted By: Mach1Owner
Originally Posted By: steve20
^^^ Pablo read the statement you posted---it says absolutely nothing of value


I would stay with the 5K OCI using the green bottle or the yellow bottle. Lots of stuff happens furthur on down the road like, Oh I don't know, maybe the engine eating its catalytic converter, maybe the hardening wasn't done right on the cams, maybe not enough drain holes in the piston land, and only shows up after 40K and they decide to extend the warranty to folks who have proved they serviced vehicle accordingly. Where will you be with an extended OCI in this situation?


It's on them to prove that I didn't. Companies can't force you to come to them for maintenance.


The dealer will deny the warranty claim based on their skilled technician who is an expert on their vehicles. BAM there is the proof. Your turn...now take them to court.
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Originally Posted By: Doog
Originally Posted By: Mach1Owner
Manual says every 5k miles. but if an engine is to fail that much that the oil is inspected, there is a major issue going on, that would have failed either way.


What about when the dealer says: Please provide us with your written proof of oil changes every 5000 miles so we can process your warranty claim.


Great question. After you get done scratching your head, you can provide them with the written literature from the oil company saying their oil will last x amount of time, or y amount of miles. Then wait and hope things go your way, w/o the assistance of an attorney, or a long drawn out battle between the oil company and the car maker deciding who is to blame, and who will pay.

Please note underlined words, I'm not naming any oil companies. It is just a general statement. It is always wise to follow the OM for your oil change interval while under warranty. A shorter OCI won't hurt either if it makes you feel good, but I'd avoid extending it. It could save grief in the rare event of an oil related engine issue. Opinions vary.

Originally Posted By: Doog


The dealer will deny the warranty claim based on their skilled technician who is an expert on their vehicles. BAM there is the proof. Your turn...now take them to court.
lol.gif



Bingo! Is it really worth taking the chance? If you feel yes and the oil company has your back, go for it. If the answer is no follow the OM, and have proof you changed the oil with the proper oil, and when you're supposed to.
 
Originally Posted By: Doog

What about when the dealer says: Please provide us with your written proof of oil changes every 5000 miles so we can process your warranty claim.


You simply show them your receipts for purchase of Amsoil. If they give you any guff at all, immediately contact Amsoil and Amsoil will contact that car dealer right away. This rarely happens so Amsoil doesn't need a giant staff of people standing by.

Originally Posted By: Doog


Oh yes they can. You guys are dreaming if you think they can't deny warranty based on failure to follow recommended oil service intervals. Then you can hire an attorney for $5-10k and fight it. Meanwhile Amsoil will tell you they will only cover it if their oil was at fault which they will say you must prove it wasn't.


They cannot. And you don't need to hire an attorney. The last part is just rubbish you made up. I think you don't really know anything about Amsoil.

Originally Posted By: demarpaint


Great question. After you get done scratching your head, you can provide them with the written literature from the oil company saying their oil will last x amount of time, or y amount of miles. Then wait and hope things go your way, w/o the assistance of an attorney, or a long drawn out battle between the oil company and the car maker deciding who is to blame, and who will pay.


If you aren't smart enough to contact Amsoil right away, this could happen, knowing how unscrupulous car dealers are and how people are not aware of warranty laws. Again, car makers know the law. Amsoil knows the law.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo

If you aren't smart enough to contact Amsoil right away, this could happen, knowing how unscrupulous car dealers are and how people are not aware of warranty laws. Again, car makers know the law. Amsoil knows the law.


Most dealers are unscrupulous no two ways about it. Having said that wouldn't it be a lot easier to use a product like OE, or XL and follow the owners manual? Then leave extended drains for after the warranty is up? This way the dealer doesn't have a leg to stand on if there's a problem. I think life would be a whole lot easier, especially after working for some really lousy dealerships back in the day. JMO
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Pablo

If you aren't smart enough to contact Amsoil right away, this could happen, knowing how unscrupulous car dealers are and how people are not aware of warranty laws. Again, car makers know the law. Amsoil knows the law.


Most dealers are unscrupulous no two ways about it. Having said that wouldn't it be a lot easier to use a product like OE, or XL and follow the owners manual? Then leave extended drains for after the warranty is up? This way the dealer doesn't have a leg to stand on if there's a problem. I think life would be a whole lot easier, especially after working for some really lousy dealerships back in the day. JMO


I agree.

I am just trying to make the point that logically extending OCI's not automatically void warranties as some here repeat constantly.
 
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
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If an engine fails while in the warranty period, and while extending out to appropriate OCI's, it's either the motor's Fault or the oil level wasn't being maintain (I.e., not the fault of the oil.)

I don't believe in lowering my OCI based on the lowest common denominator for fear of warranty denial. However, I would only expect to have both legs to stand on in the event of an oil-related engine failure if I had UOA to prove that my oil and interval choice was not to blame.....


That wouldn't "prove" anything...
 
Originally Posted By: Flareside302
read....


www.amsoil.com/warranty.aspx


I read the Warranty, it does a fantastic job in protecting Amsoil more than it does the customer who purchases Amsoil Motor Oil.

Lets take this scenario, your new vehicle while under warranty calls for a 5000 mile OCI and you decide to do a 15,000 mile OCI with Amsoil. The engine either seizes or is not running right because of a defective part in your engine, a part that is lubricated by engine oil.

You send a sample of oil to Amsoil and they say that there oil is fine, so it is a manufacture defect. The car company says we have not seen any problems when people followed our 5000 mile OCI's, so it is the oil's fault. Maybe the car manufacture might want to test the used oil, if you have a sample, or maybe Amsoil still has the sample.

A few weeks ago I called the Amsoil Tech Line and asked them if this type of situation were to arise then how long could it take to get resolved, the Amsoil Tech said anywhere between 6 months to 1 year. This scenario is not going to get cleared up in a week to ten days. Lets also say that you are making car payments, so will be making payments on a vehicle that you cannot drive because you are waiting for Amsoil and the car manufacture to settle things. Who is gonna pay for a rental car, probably not Amsoil or the car manufacturer, it will be the Amsoil customer who thought he was saving a few bucks by doing an extended OCI.

I really think Amsoil would be better served by telling there customers to follow the owner's manual recommendation for OCI's during the warranty period. These customers could either use the Amsoil XL or OE Line, this way during the warranty period there is less problems and headaches.
 
Originally Posted By: Brian123
Originally Posted By: Flareside302
read....


www.amsoil.com/warranty.aspx


I read the Warranty, it does a fantastic job in protecting Amsoil more than it does the customer who purchases Amsoil Motor Oil.

Lets take this scenario, your new vehicle while under warranty calls for a 5000 mile OCI and you decide to do a 15,000 mile OCI with Amsoil. The engine either seizes or is not running right because of a defective part in your engine, a part that is lubricated by engine oil.

You send a sample of oil to Amsoil and they say that there oil is fine, so it is a manufacture defect. The car company says we have not seen any problems when people followed our 5000 mile OCI's, so it is the oil's fault. Maybe the car manufacture might want to test the used oil, if you have a sample, or maybe Amsoil still has the sample.

A few weeks ago I called the Amsoil Tech Line and asked them if this type of situation were to arise then how long could it take to get resolved, the Amsoil Tech said anywhere between 6 months to 1 year. This scenario is not going to get cleared up in a week to ten days. Lets also say that you are making car payments, so will be making payments on a vehicle that you cannot drive because you are waiting for Amsoil and the car manufacture to settle things. Who is gonna pay for a rental car, probably not Amsoil or the car manufacturer, it will be the Amsoil customer who thought he was saving a few bucks by doing an extended OCI.

I really think Amsoil would be better served by telling there customers to follow the owner's manual recommendation for OCI's during the warranty period. These customers could either use the Amsoil XL or OE Line, this way during the warranty period there is less problems and headaches.


Why would you even send a sample in if you had a "defective part in your engine"? And Amsoil's warranty has nothing to do with this situation.

But do as you like. I've been involved with Amsoil 15 years now and never had any situation like this at all with my customers.

In fact I have exactly three situations with warranty, 2 oil filters, one air filter, none of there were installed and all involved visual questions but not failures.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: Brian123
Originally Posted By: Flareside302
read....


www.amsoil.com/warranty.aspx


I read the Warranty, it does a fantastic job in protecting Amsoil more than it does the customer who purchases Amsoil Motor Oil.

Lets take this scenario, your new vehicle while under warranty calls for a 5000 mile OCI and you decide to do a 15,000 mile OCI with Amsoil. The engine either seizes or is not running right because of a defective part in your engine, a part that is lubricated by engine oil.

You send a sample of oil to Amsoil and they say that there oil is fine, so it is a manufacture defect. The car company says we have not seen any problems when people followed our 5000 mile OCI's, so it is the oil's fault. Maybe the car manufacture might want to test the used oil, if you have a sample, or maybe Amsoil still has the sample.

A few weeks ago I called the Amsoil Tech Line and asked them if this type of situation were to arise then how long could it take to get resolved, the Amsoil Tech said anywhere between 6 months to 1 year. This scenario is not going to get cleared up in a week to ten days. Lets also say that you are making car payments, so will be making payments on a vehicle that you cannot drive because you are waiting for Amsoil and the car manufacture to settle things. Who is gonna pay for a rental car, probably not Amsoil or the car manufacturer, it will be the Amsoil customer who thought he was saving a few bucks by doing an extended OCI.

I really think Amsoil would be better served by telling there customers to follow the owner's manual recommendation for OCI's during the warranty period. These customers could either use the Amsoil XL or OE Line, this way during the warranty period there is less problems and headaches.


Why would you even send a sample in if you had a "defective part in your engine"? And Amsoil's warranty has nothing to do with this situation.

But do as you like. I've been involved with Amsoil 15 years now and never had any situation like this at all with my customers.

In fact I have exactly three situations with warranty, 2 oil filters, one air filter, none of there were installed and all involved visual questions but not failures.


Pablo, I should have not used the word defective, basically what I meant to say is if a part failed and that either the failure could be from lack of lubrication or a defective part. There have been quite a few issues that have come up from using Amsoil for extended drains during the warranty period of new vehicles.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo

I am just trying to make the point that logically extending OCI's not automatically void warranties as some here repeat constantly.


Cool, Can you get that in writing for us from GM, Ford, Chrysler and Toyota? That'd be a good start.
 
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: Pablo

I am just trying to make the point that logically extending OCI's not automatically void warranties as some here repeat constantly.


Cool, Can you get that in writing for us from GM, Ford, Chrysler and Toyota? That'd be a good start.




Can you show me where on your warranty is says you HAVE to stick to the recommended OCI? I cant find it in mine and I just read the full thing.
 
Originally Posted By: Mach1Owner
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: Pablo

I am just trying to make the point that logically extending OCI's not automatically void warranties as some here repeat constantly.


Cool, Can you get that in writing for us from GM, Ford, Chrysler and Toyota? That'd be a good start.




Can you show me where on your warranty is says you HAVE to stick to the recommended OCI? I cant find it in mine and I just read the full thing.


I suggest you send a letter or email to your automaker to confirm your assertions.
 
Originally Posted By: turtlevette


I suggest you send a letter or email to your automaker to confirm your assertions.



That would be awesome, and possibly put this to rest for good. What is interesting about warranties is the whole warranty can't be voided but parts of it can. For example, if you blow an engine due to negligence, neglect, wrong fluid, etc. the power seats, and radio, will still be covered if the bumper to bumper portion of the warranty is still in effect.
 
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