I Don't know who is actually doing the assembly of the filters. Donaldson design.
Amsoil Nano Tech oil Filters
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The local owner of the store is probably a independant dealer and is not part of either NAPA's or True Value's corporate inventory structure.
While I am fond of Amsoils products I think their dealership network is a outdate marketing strategy like door to door vacumn salesman and the milkman. When I want it, I should be able to get it a a local retailer.
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Amen, Patman. I've been favoring the M1 EP (oil & filters) regimen to avoid the mid-year filter change...but now I might give Amsoil a second look (after I use up my current stash of course
As mentioned previously,. I'm curious to see the flow numbers. There has been some debate over the years in regards to flow vs. filtration.
The ability to go without a filter change on a one year interval is a nice selling point. If I wasn't such a paranoid freak on my six month intervals, I'd look towards the one year thing.
The ability to go without a filter change on a one year interval is a nice selling point. If I wasn't such a paranoid freak on my six month intervals, I'd look towards the one year thing.
I think I shall try one.
If someone has a good product and you think it offers value, who cares how it's marketed? At least Amsoil products aren't being manufactured by 3rd world children. Or are they?
If someone has a good product and you think it offers value, who cares how it's marketed? At least Amsoil products aren't being manufactured by 3rd world children. Or are they?
I would have to wonder - do you need this level of filtering, and does it get saturated (e.g. clogged) sooner needlessly?? Where's the research saying particles of these size ranges cause the majority of wear/problems and what filters are specifically engineered to remove these particle sizes? I can't believe that smaller is better after a point!!
This is exciting news!
I may have to set up as an Amsoil dealer!
Amsoil appears to be doing exactly the right thing here; bringing a truly superior and much needed product to market.
I may have to set up as an Amsoil dealer!
Amsoil appears to be doing exactly the right thing here; bringing a truly superior and much needed product to market.
There seems to be a worry about this filter getting plugged up because it filters smaller particles. I think the reality is that oil filters never get very loaded with material.
On another point, I thought one reason that they recommended mid OCI filter changes is because the cellulose material would start getting "old" or brittle after 1 year?
AMSOIL has chosen to market the way they do. They are not evil because of their marketing choice. It has its advantages and dissadvantages. While not all Amsoil salesmen are experts, many of them are. In addition, find me one Walmart employee or Advanced auto employee that knows more about oil and filters than ANY amsoil salesman.
Having said that, I like to buy my oil retail.
On another point, I thought one reason that they recommended mid OCI filter changes is because the cellulose material would start getting "old" or brittle after 1 year?
AMSOIL has chosen to market the way they do. They are not evil because of their marketing choice. It has its advantages and dissadvantages. While not all Amsoil salesmen are experts, many of them are. In addition, find me one Walmart employee or Advanced auto employee that knows more about oil and filters than ANY amsoil salesman.
Having said that, I like to buy my oil retail.
A filter was pulled after some 20,000 and sent to a lab. Tests showed the filter still capable of filtration equal to that of a new filter.
Now, if you have a bad engine and the oil shows sludging on the dipstick, it would be prudent to have the oil checked.
Now, if you have a bad engine and the oil shows sludging on the dipstick, it would be prudent to have the oil checked.
Is Nov 1st a for sure release date, or an estimate? How much are these new filters gunna run?
And if you read my thread on the "life" test of the E-core filter I used after near 7000 miles..it would have lasted 4-5-6 times longer as well.
However, taking a test where the filter shows X amount of "life" left and determining how much longer one can actually run is a best guess.
The reason being that as the filter plugs the closer it gets to it's usefull life the quicker it plugs towards the end. ( Filters become more efficient as they plug.)
If you chart a life test out, the filter slowly plugs at first...then starts to show more plugging, then the last 25-30% of filter life takes a lot less time than the first 70-75%.
Sorry I can't do this in graph form so that it is easier understood. But the line would shoot up from about 60% onwards...
There has been research that shows that the smaller the particles in your oil the less wear in your engine. However, other things affect wear too, oil weight, additives, etc. So, the question is whether you engine will wear out because of particles or something else. Still, smaller is better. Less bypass is better too.
I have to believe these filters are going to be pretty expensive, nano-fibers have been around and looked at for some time in the non-wovens industry, especially by P&G, and there are process patents and patents dealing with exclusive die configurations--this is not easy at a large scale and the price will probably reflect it.
If you calculate the useful life of a filter by what ever system you choose you have to divide it into quarters. 1st quarter is a free ride, the filter is not up to its potential but that happens in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. There is no 4th quarter. The filter is getting plugged and filtering at its best. It will eat up the last quarter of life in a way one can not predict. So, enentially, Filter guy is right on the button. There is a way to predict oil filter life. Run a filter and measure the time/mileage until the filter does not warm up. Cut the time/mileage in half and you are done. If you have a couple of hundred cars you just pick one as a test. You might be in for a surprise.
If Donaldson are supplying the media, and it's the same or similar to their own Synteq media, the Donaldson FL1A equivalent filter has a nominal rating of 7 microns (Beta 2=7) flow eqivalent to their cellulose offering and an increased capacity of 30g vs 20g for either their cellulose or Baldwin cellulose or glass/synthetic filter.
The thickness of the media is significantly thicker than a cellulose media, it has significantly less primary face area, yet at least 50% greater capacity than most/all rivals
The thickness of the media is significantly thicker than a cellulose media, it has significantly less primary face area, yet at least 50% greater capacity than most/all rivals
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