Amsoil Filters are Great - But

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It appears from George's test that Amsoil filters are great. In addition, the anecdotal evidence of clean (light colored) oil also gives an impression that the Amsoil Eao filters are impressive. However, will we really ever see a benefit to the engine? Would the reduced wear ever be detectable in engine performance? I doubt it.

Having said that, I plan on getting one for my next oil change. I like the reduced maintenance idea. My current comfort zone with OCI's is 7500miles on a good synthetic. However, with my most recent oil change I am stepping up to 10k miles. Next time I plan on going with Amsoil and doing annual oil changes (approx 12k miles). I also will get an eao filter and go two years on it.(I know that amsoil calls for one year, but I think that is conservative).
 
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...I also will get an eao filter and go two years on it.(I know that amsoil calls for one year, but I think that is conservative).

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I bet you won't be able to leave it on any longer than a year. You're a BITOGer, for crying out loud. You won't be able to sleep at night, knowing you haven't changed your oil filter in over a year. You'll start having nightmares about contaminants floating around inside your engine, destroying it piece by piece.
 
I agree that the benefit end of the equation is speculation here, Winston. It all depends on your ownership cycle. My old Mitsubishi had plenty of power and economy @ 170k+ ..but the reman is stronger and peppier. Did I need stronger and peppier??
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At 170+k I had some cam bearing wear ..I had a slight ridge in my upper cylinder area (other Mitsubishi engines that I've had the head off of had none @ 100k+) and I had minor blow by accumulations in the foam pad on the air cleaner (external side) housing when I changed the air filter .. in terms of potential lubrication related issues.

So, I guess, using the EaO filter is one of the insurance premiums that you pay with the notion that you're going to own it to the point where those things may make a difference to you.

We tend to have limited tolerance for defective machinery when it comes to transportation. It's very hard for people to deal with the annoyances of long term wear (consumption, ticks, clicks, etc.).
 
Yes, one certainly has to ask the question of price vs. cost vs. reward.
From a lube engineer's perspective if I was given the choice of two systems to operate: one with ultra clean oil but very low quality oil in the system, the other with very high quality dirty oil, I would take the ultra clean system in a heartbeat.. A no brainer..
However, from a lube engineer's perspective to be able to do both (ultra clean oil AND high quality lube) is a total win win, long term. Thus totally cost effective if one is going to keep the vehicle for an extended time along with high mileage.. Ultra clean oil, which the EaO enables for the first time with a full flow oil filter, will provide a level of service and efficiency unequalled..
George Morrison, STLE CLS
(NOT an Amsoil dealer ever, nor now: no affiliation)
 
I like the simple fact I can go from doing an OC 2-3 times a year to once.

The math is simple but,
 
GeorgeCLS I have to agree. While in the NAVY we cleaned the main engine oil (Steam turbine and reduction gears) for about 23 Hours a day and kept the oil what we called CLEAR & BRITE). The oil looked new (Minor darkening while in the sump) and absolutely NO sediment. You could read through a 1.5" X 1.5" glass bottle. Our engines and gears last the life of the boat (Ship) and some have made it too a second ship too. While I was in the actually transitioned to Synthetic oil as well. I saved wear added economy, and ensured our stuff would run at 100% when out life depended on it. And sometimes ours or someone else's "DID"!

I will be transitioning to this new Amsoil Filter.
 
Gee, I thought this issue had been settled. In "normal" service, your engine wear is caused by carbon based particles in your oil that gradually lap your engine components. Even on start up, your engine wear is caused by these particles. These carbon particles come from blow by past your rings.The wear rate in your engine is directly related to the weight of these carbon particles. If you eliminate the particles, you eliminate the wear. To my mind, Cummins, Catepillar, and TACOM have established beyond doubt that effective filtration directly impacts engine wear in a very significant way, like by a factor of 2 or 3. This is science, not myth. The question is not "does filtration work", the question is "do I want 1/2 the wear rate".
To those people who continually insist that they will get rid of their car before the engine wears out, I can only suggest that you visit ANY independent repair shop and ask if they have any engines that need major components changed before 150,000 miles. Ignoring head gaskets and water pumps, I would say that 25% of all correctly maintained cars have some issue directly related to oil that resulted in an engine's early need for big service. I think of timing chains (100% an oil related issue), crank seals, valves and cam buckets, lifters, cams, rings, turbos, superchargers, thrust bearings, and main/rod bearings. All of these things get the majority of their wear from the carbon particles that filters remove.

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I'd like to ask the question a different way. Over the course of one year, would you have better filtration with one Amsoil EaO filter than with two PureOnes changed in half the time?
 
Theoretically, the more particles trapped in the filter, the more efficient it becomes...

And I would think you would still have better filtration with a better filter used for a longer cycle than using lesser filters with shorter duty cycles...

JMO,
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Gee, I thought this issue had been settled. In "normal" service, your engine wear is caused by carbon based particles in your oil that gradually lap your engine components. Even on start up, your engine wear is caused by these particles. These carbon particles come from blow by past your rings.The wear rate in your engine is directly related to the weight of these carbon particles. If you eliminate the particles, you eliminate the wear. To my mind, Cummins, Catepillar, and TACOM have established beyond doubt that effective filtration directly impacts engine wear in a very significant way, like by a factor of 2 or 3. This is science, not myth. The question is not "does filtration work", the question is "do I want 1/2 the wear rate".
To those people who continually insist that they will get rid of their car before the engine wears out, I can only suggest that you visit ANY independent repair shop and ask if they have any engines that need major components changed before 150,000 miles. Ignoring head gaskets and water pumps, I would say that 25% of all correctly maintained cars have some issue directly related to oil that resulted in an engine's early need for big service. I think of timing chains (100% an oil related issue), crank seals, valves and cam buckets, lifters, cams, rings, turbos, superchargers, thrust bearings, and main/rod bearings. All of these things get the majority of their wear from the carbon particles that filters remove.

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You are saying that wear is solely proportional to the quantity of carbon particles in the oil? Wear is related to the cleanliness in oil, but that effect seems to be only significant when you get out past, say 200k miles. Also, what about the quality of the additives in the oil?

Then your second premise states that many cars need major service before 150k miles. I dissagree with that too. Generally, we have seen that most engines outlast the vehicles. Especially related to lubricated engine parts.
 
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I'd like to ask the question a different way. Over the course of one year, would you have better filtration with one Amsoil EaO filter than with two PureOnes changed in half the time?

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FWIW

With 2K miles on an OC I switched from an oversized Pure One to an Amsoil filter due to cold startup clattering "-5F" with Mobil 1 5w30. Not only did the cold start clatter disappear at -5F and colder, the oil color lightened considerably in 200 miles.

After noticing the initial color lightening I monitored the oil color every 200 miles upon which at every check it got a bit lighter. At about 1K miles after installing the Amsoil filter, which BTW is now about 3K miles on an OC, the oil color is almost as light as new oil from a bottle.
 
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With 2K miles on an OC I switched from an oversized Pure One to an Amsoil filter due to cold startup clattering "-5F" with Mobil 1 5w30. Not only did the cold start clatter disappear at -5F and colder, the oil color lightened considerably in 200 miles.

After noticing the initial color lightening I monitored the oil color every 200 miles upon which at every check it got a bit lighter. At about 1K miles after installing the Amsoil filter, which BTW is now about 3K miles on an OC, the oil color is almost as light as new oil from a bottle.

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I would love to see a photo of an oil blotter test of these results. Any chance?
 
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I'd like to ask the question a different way. Over the course of one year, would you have better filtration with one Amsoil EaO filter than with two PureOnes changed in half the time?

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FWIW

With 2K miles on an OC I switched from an oversized Pure One to an Amsoil filter due to cold startup clattering "-5F" with Mobil 1 5w30. Not only did the cold start clatter disappear at -5F and colder, the oil color lightened considerably in 200 miles.

After noticing the initial color lightening I monitored the oil color every 200 miles upon which at every check it got a bit lighter. At about 1K miles after installing the Amsoil filter, which BTW is now about 3K miles on an OC, the oil color is almost as light as new oil from a bottle.

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I have experienced the same things that cmhj has. I there anyone in the Jupiter, FL with a digital camera? I guess
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you just have to see it to believe it.
 
Sorry Winston, no camera. I know it's a bit hard to believe but I have nothing to gain by spinning a tall tail. Harry and I have discussed this phenomina on other filter threads and seeing is really believing.

FWIW I've been an Amsoil fan for years but used OEM and Mobil 1 filters for the most part. FWIW Mobil 1 filters are IMO and from my personal experience very good and likely a close 2nd to Amsoil's.
 
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I was not asking for pictures because I doubt your story. It just nice to see the evidence in pictures.

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Winston,
I am willing to show anyone the evidence, contact me, bring your digital camera. I feel a little guilty changing such clean oil, but 5,000 miles is all I am willing to go at this time per change. Pictures are nice, but to see this for yourself is truly amazing.
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I still think paying up for filters or oil is cheap insurance against the unexpected, or extremes. Where I live, Oklahoma, you can get a bunch of dust in your car's systems during dry times. Also, a spike in temp to 108 F PLUS is not uncommon in summers. Got to believe the synthetics and now this oil filter (& maybe their air filter) could better protect my vehicles until I change things out. True, I offer no evidence for this, JMHO.
 
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