AMSOIL AND A 2014 CHEVY SILVERADO

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Amsoil oil has such an outdated distribution system-IMHO there is no way they are going to ever apply for certification. Their distribution model really limits their market exposure.


I agree. Im not sure how they even stayed in business this long. If they ever lost their almost cult like following it would be the end for them. Not that they dont have good products, but if you dont sell them in autoparts stores or big box retailers, your pretty much doomed eventually.
 
Originally Posted By: delasueno
I just bought a 2014 Silverado with a 5.3 last November. This truck will see about 1500 - 2000 miles a month, 95% highway/interstate use and using E-85 about half the time. Currently I have about 4100 miles on the truck with my oil life monitor showing 42% oil life left. Once I hit about 7500 miles, I will drain the original fill oil, get a sample from Blackstone and refill with Amsoil and will use an Amsoil oil filter. This will be my first experience with the stuff. I normally use whatever synthetic or semi-synthetic that is on sale. Stay tuned...


If you bought this truck new then dealer oil changes are included for 2 year/24,000 miles. From what I read owners get a max of 4 changes during this program. I would go in every 6,000 miles to get your money's worth. I have a 2014 GMC Sierra 5.3 and I drive mostly highway. My OLM is down to 0% after about 7,500 miles. I wouldn't hesitate to use the dealer changes as the GM Dexos1 0W-20 they use showed good results from the UOA's I did.
 
It's also a good idea to have service records showing the dealer did your free oil changes just in case you decide to sell the truck or in case any engine problems arise. Trust me when I say that you want dealer service records.
 
AMSOIL Dexos compliant fluids will not void the manufacturer’s warranty. It simply won't. And yes Magnuson Moss act does play a role. If Amsoil claims Dexos, then they have run and exceeded ALL the tests. Amsoil cannot legally claim Dexos without passing the proper testing. Again, some folks here claim they know warranty law and they simply do not.

Being Dexos “certified” means paying General Motors to be on a special list. Amsoil currently chooses not to participate in that scheme.

GM knows this and will not challenge. If the dealer somehow challenges, then quickly contact Amsoil, Amsoil will prove to the dealer the oil meets all the Dexos requirements.
 
Originally Posted By: jk_636

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Amsoil oil has such an outdated distribution system-IMHO there is no way they are going to ever apply for certification. Their distribution model really limits their market exposure.


I agree. Im not sure how they even stayed in business this long. If they ever lost their almost cult like following it would be the end for them. Not that they dont have good products, but if you dont sell them in autoparts stores or big box retailers, your pretty much doomed eventually.


I agree about the distribution - it's definitely old school. The founder of the company is still in charge and I'm sure when he departs this earth and his sons take over, there will be some changes.
 
Its so sad that misinformed people continue to throw out totally false comments about AMSOIL. The founder turned over the keys to the operation to his son years ago. The founder still comes to work to visit with friends and staff and answer his mail but ALL of the operations are under Allen's control and have been for many years. They will NEVER be found in Walmart, Menards etc. for their own good reasons. They are found in auto parts stores all over the country if people would just use their 'locator' button. They also have nearly 'next day' UPS service to most 48 states too.
Dont look for changes in their marketing, it is working for them and their network. If you dont like it, thats ok but dont belittle millions of others who enjoy the product quality and marketing.
Have a nice day !
 
Originally Posted By: Click
Its so sad that misinformed people continue to throw out totally false comments about AMSOIL. The founder turned over the keys to the operation to his son years ago. The founder still comes to work to visit with friends and staff and answer his mail but ALL of the operations are under Allen's control and have been for many years. They will NEVER be found in Walmart, Menards etc. for their own good reasons. They are found in auto parts stores all over the country if people would just use their 'locator' button. They also have nearly 'next day' UPS service to most 48 states too.
Dont look for changes in their marketing, it is working for them and their network. If you dont like it, thats ok but dont belittle millions of others who enjoy the product quality and marketing.
Have a nice day !


Sorry I'm not as expert as you to the internals of Amsoil management. You have a great day too!
 
It sure is funny if they are in stores all over the country why many have not heard of them. Oil is very profitable. So, what little market share they have is enough where they can pay the bills.

They obviously don't want to be a bigger player. They are happy with the DIY premium product niche.

If their distribution isn't old school-it's where Amsoil wants to be...a niche player.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
AMSOIL Dexos compliant fluids will not void the manufacturer’s warranty. It simply won't. And yes Magnuson Moss act does play a role. If Amsoil claims Dexos, then they have run and exceeded ALL the tests. Amsoil cannot legally claim Dexos without passing the proper testing. Again, some folks here claim they know warranty law and they simply do not.

Being Dexos “certified” means paying General Motors to be on a special list. Amsoil currently chooses not to participate in that scheme.

GM knows this and will not challenge. If the dealer somehow challenges, then quickly contact Amsoil, Amsoil will prove to the dealer the oil meets all the Dexos requirements.


You keep telling that same old story like all the other dealers, it must be an Amsoil talking point. Amsoil is not Dexos approved. Period.
when Amsoil does have a product that does actually have OEM approvals they are right quick to publish that fact. Why is that???

Thread..

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3629058/3
 
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: Pablo
AMSOIL Dexos compliant fluids will not void the manufacturer’s warranty. It simply won't. And yes Magnuson Moss act does play a role. If Amsoil claims Dexos, then they have run and exceeded ALL the tests. Amsoil cannot legally claim Dexos without passing the proper testing. Again, some folks here claim they know warranty law and they simply do not.

Being Dexos “certified” means paying General Motors to be on a special list. Amsoil currently chooses not to participate in that scheme.

GM knows this and will not challenge. If the dealer somehow challenges, then quickly contact Amsoil, Amsoil will prove to the dealer the oil meets all the Dexos requirements.


You keep telling that same old story like all the other dealers, it must be an Amsoil talking point. Amsoil is not Dexos approved. Period.
when Amsoil does have a product that does actually have OEM approvals they are right quick to publish that fact. Why is that???

Thread..

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3629058/3


Does meating an OEM's certification make it a better oil? Signature series oil are as good as synthetic oil can be at the present day, they take the money from certification, and instead put it into the oil, PERIOD.
 
Originally Posted By: zpinch
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: Pablo
AMSOIL Dexos compliant fluids will not void the manufacturer’s warranty. It simply won't. And yes Magnuson Moss act does play a role. If Amsoil claims Dexos, then they have run and exceeded ALL the tests. Amsoil cannot legally claim Dexos without passing the proper testing. Again, some folks here claim they know warranty law and they simply do not.

Being Dexos “certified” means paying General Motors to be on a special list. Amsoil currently chooses not to participate in that scheme.

GM knows this and will not challenge. If the dealer somehow challenges, then quickly contact Amsoil, Amsoil will prove to the dealer the oil meets all the Dexos requirements.


You keep telling that same old story like all the other dealers, it must be an Amsoil talking point. Amsoil is not Dexos approved. Period.
when Amsoil does have a product that does actually have OEM approvals they are right quick to publish that fact. Why is that???

Thread..

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3629058/3


Does meating an OEM's certification make it a better oil? Signature series oil are as good as synthetic oil can be at the present day, they take the money from certification, and instead put it into the oil, PERIOD.


They take the money that they save from certification, and put it in their pocket
They take the money that they sve from doing all of the testing to meet all of their certification tests, and put it in their pocket

Then sell it alongside lubes that DO pay for the testing and licensing, at a commensurate price

PERIOD.

Then they do whatever testing that they DO do (and I'm yet to be convinced that it's much more than taking a certified oil, beating at a 4 ball, or Noack, and therefore claiming meets or exceeds)

And leave it to the vehicle owner to argue his potential warranty claims with the OEM for running non certified oil, for longer than the OEM specified oil changes...where meeting the OEM's specified oil, and OCI automatically put the ball in the manufacturer's court
 
Originally Posted By: zpinch
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: Pablo
AMSOIL Dexos compliant fluids will not void the manufacturer’s warranty. It simply won't. And yes Magnuson Moss act does play a role. If Amsoil claims Dexos, then they have run and exceeded ALL the tests. Amsoil cannot legally claim Dexos without passing the proper testing. Again, some folks here claim they know warranty law and they simply do not.

Being Dexos “certified” means paying General Motors to be on a special list. Amsoil currently chooses not to participate in that scheme.

GM knows this and will not challenge. If the dealer somehow challenges, then quickly contact Amsoil, Amsoil will prove to the dealer the oil meets all the Dexos requirements.


You keep telling that same old story like all the other dealers, it must be an Amsoil talking point. Amsoil is not Dexos approved. Period.
when Amsoil does have a product that does actually have OEM approvals they are right quick to publish that fact. Why is that???

Thread..

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3629058/3


Does meating an OEM's certification make it a better oil? Signature series oil are as good as synthetic oil can be at the present day, they take the money from certification, and instead put it into the oil, PERIOD.


I've heard that before, but not in a long while. You can bet they also take some of those savings on the certifications and toss it in their pockets, and use some of it for commissions payed to their dealer network.
 
Originally Posted By: zpinch
Does meating an OEM's certification make it a better oil?

It has nothing to do with it being a better oil. Nobody in this thread is stipulating that Amsoil makes bad oil.

It has everything to do with potential warranty claims.

Will GM give it to you in writing that they're perfectly OK with this "implicit certification"?
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: zpinch
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: Pablo
AMSOIL Dexos compliant fluids will not void the manufacturer’s warranty. It simply won't. And yes Magnuson Moss act does play a role. If Amsoil claims Dexos, then they have run and exceeded ALL the tests. Amsoil cannot legally claim Dexos without passing the proper testing. Again, some folks here claim they know warranty law and they simply do not.

Being Dexos “certified” means paying General Motors to be on a special list. Amsoil currently chooses not to participate in that scheme.

GM knows this and will not challenge. If the dealer somehow challenges, then quickly contact Amsoil, Amsoil will prove to the dealer the oil meets all the Dexos requirements.


You keep telling that same old story like all the other dealers, it must be an Amsoil talking point. Amsoil is not Dexos approved. Period.
when Amsoil does have a product that does actually have OEM approvals they are right quick to publish that fact. Why is that???

Thread..

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3629058/3


Does meating an OEM's certification make it a better oil? Signature series oil are as good as synthetic oil can be at the present day, they take the money from certification, and instead put it into the oil, PERIOD.


They take the money that they save from certification, and put it in their pocket
They take the money that they sve from doing all of the testing to meet all of their certification tests, and put it in their pocket

Then sell it alongside lubes that DO pay for the testing and licensing, at a commensurate price

PERIOD.

Then they do whatever testing that they DO do (and I'm yet to be convinced that it's much more than taking a certified oil, beating at a 4 ball, or Noack, and therefore claiming meets or exceeds)

And leave it to the vehicle owner to argue his potential warranty claims with the OEM for running non certified oil, for longer than the OEM specified oil changes...where meeting the OEM's specified oil, and OCI automatically put the ball in the manufacturer's court


That's why you don't do extended OCI until warranty has expired.

And btw, concerning the amsoil white paper, if an oil is pretty close to number 1 in every test, it's gonna be good oil. Are you really going to say it means nothing?
 
You know if dexos was a product, and required for a vehicle, they would have to provide it free of charge. I would never buy a GM vehicle because of this (how long will it be before other OEM's issue their own license?). Oil producers that wish to display the dexos™ logo, get to pay GM a fee of $1000.00 per product licence. An additional charge of $0.36 per gallon also applies. This is not a bad pay-day for the automaker. I wonder how long it will take for other manufacturers to catch on and issue their own license? Customers will inevitably pay the extra cost.

Original (2010) General Motors statement

Don’t be fooled by oils with claims on the back label such as "meets," "complies with" or "is approved for use with the dexos™ specification. Look alikes or unlicensed products that don’t display the dexos™ icon and trademark, on the front label simply don’t comply with the high performance and quality standards of dexos™.

Using engine oil other than authentic dexos™ licensed products could result in damage that is not covered under warranty.

Nothing but a GM oil shakedown.
 
Originally Posted By: zpinch
Customers will inevitably pay the extra cost.

While I, too, am not a fan of GM's approach to licensing this stuff, a Dexos1 licensed product on a store shelf does not appear to cost any more than a non-dexos one.

Not sure how it is Canada, but here you will end up paying a premium for Amsoil product that is not Dexos1 licensed, compared to regularly priced oils at Walmart that are Dexos1 licensed. So if I owned a new GM vehicle (which is very unlikely to happen), I know which oil I'd be using to avoid any potential hassle.
 
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