Amsoil 0W20 - 7,000mi - 2003 Accord V6 @ 47K

[Gary Allan]

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Now I don't feel quite as bad. I was thinking that with those iron levels my pistons had worn down to little nubs.

Yes, you can relax

 

[Tempest]

There was a guy a while back with a pick up truck and a major coolant leak. He had wear numbers >2000ppm and the thing was still running...not well...but running.

 

[acohen100]

Well I had bought a case of ASM 0W20 and used it for the refill with a new Wix air filter and a new Pure One. I will repeat the UOA in about 6 months and post.

 

[buster]

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I was thinking that with those iron levels my pistons had worn down to little nubs.


The negative aspect of BITOG.

 

[Junior]

Originally Posted By: buster
How long was the oil in? One thing I've noticed about ASM is regardless of fuel, it's not thinning down. viscosity is perfect. Wear is higher than avg. from fuel but still low.


My first run of ASM 0W20 in an 04 Accord v6 thinned down to 7.55 with 1.3% fuel and a flash point down to 360. I had much much better wear numbers over a 9300 mile 4.5 month interval. AL 3, FE 13, CU 9. (it is posted on this site) Everyone here seems to be blaming the fuel on the extra wear. I think the duty cycle is playing a bigger part here. Cold starts, short trips etc.

 

[Junior]

Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Quote:
Now I don't feel quite as bad. I was thinking that with those iron levels my pistons had worn down to little nubs.

Yes, you can relax

Automotive pistions are an aluminum alloy

 

[Tempest]

What about the rings?

 

[Junior]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
What about the rings?


I don't know all the combinations but most typical are Grey Iron, Ductile Iron (Chrome or Moly coated) and Steel. Of course there are numerous alloys and coatings.

Howeve, my point was that Iron in the oil sample is not from the pistons.

 

[DmanWho]

What brand of gas are you using?

Since you're planning on running a similar length OCI with almost the exact same set-up, I would try making some changes in the fuel. Maybe add an UCL or try a different brand of gas, or both...

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: Junior
Originally Posted By: Tempest
What about the rings?


I don't know all the combinations but most typical are Grey Iron, Ductile Iron (Chrome or Moly coated) and Steel. Of course there are numerous alloys and coatings.

Howeve, my point was that Iron in the oil sample is not from the pistons.


..but no matter..his engine isn't grenading and that's what he really was inferring.

 

[acohen100]

Originally Posted By: DmanWho
What brand of gas are you using?

Since you're planning on running a similar length OCI with almost the exact same set-up, I would try making some changes in the fuel. Maybe add an UCL or try a different brand of gas, or both...



I use Shell 87 exclusively. I add techron occasionally - maybe once or twice per year.

 

[ScottG]

Later this year I hope to take an oil sample on a 1.7 Honda running 0W20 Amsoil with Amsoil's long-life filter. I expect to have put on 13500km over the year.

Engine is sound and was not switched to synthetic until later in its life - around 155,000km. Put in Amsoil 5w20 for around 8k (regular filter) then have switched to the 0W20 with EA013 filter.

I drive the car every day of the week, with winter temps as cold as -40 and (if summer ever comes) then in the heat of summer. I had to add part of a bottle to the original oil, but that's after 6 months and some brutal conditions.

During -30c weather, the engine was treated even more harshly as my block heather cord broke and it was too cold outside to fix it. At work, the car sat in an open area with no protection from the weather.

All I can say so far is that the engine is quiet and smooth. Only previous experience with synthetics was Mobil 1 in a Protege.

If I get the sample done, I'll post the results.

 

[Jim 5]

Originally Posted By: Gary Allan


..but no matter..his engine isn't grenading and that's what he really was inferring.

It's not very often that I see the correct use of the word "inferring". Bitogers are clearly a cut above!

 

[herrhaus]

You guys will love me (and I don't mean to highjack the thread). I converted both my vehicles to Amsoil. I am performing my own test (I guess). I have a 2003 ODY. On July 28th last year, I put 0W-20 with an EAO13 filter (which I think is too small....should have used the EAO20 on her). Anyway, vehicle had 66,276 miles on odometer then. I'm now at at ~81,500......so I expect to have nearly 21K miles on it when I get around to changing it this July. I have a drop in K&N air filter (I know....don't say it). I'll be grabbing a sample and sending it off to Blackstone. Any predictions on my results.....

Added: BTW, I've added ~ 1/2 qt of makeup oil. I discovered that my oil filter was just a bit loose. So I tightened her up a bit (with my hand - no wrench....I hate trying to remove a filter put on with a wrench).

 

[ZZman]

Surprised being Honda engines usually show low wear.

 

[FZ1]

Yeah,you're gonna be sorry.

 

[herrhaus]

I should post in a different thread eh? FZ1....your referring to my post eh? Hmmm.

I'll be a bit disappointed (but not surprised) given that Amsoil claims that I should be able to go at those change intervals under "normal driving conditions".

 

[Jim 5]

These honda v6's are fuel diluters. Plain and simple.

Some good advice I got from Terry for my wife's 3.2TL (same engine basically) was:

Replace air filters, PCV and spark plugs on shorter intervals than recommended. He also recommended PP 5w-20 for longer intervals. I just did PZYB 5w-20 at around 5k intervals and had good UOA's.

In your use I'd go with 6 month OCIs on a good 5w-20, and stay ahead of the maintenance items that relate to fuel dilute. My guess is that the car will fall apart around the engine before you ever have real wear issues on this one. I predict that your only trouble with this engine will be if you fail to change the timing belt.

 

[herrhaus]

Yes to the ^^^^. I agree with regard to the reliability. That's the reason I chose to do this little "test".

Not to stir the pot (I'm new here...), but how can Amsoil make this claim if indeed the between thier oil and thier filter, it doesn't stand up? I'm just asking....not pointing a finger.

 

[ericthepig]

Originally Posted By: Jim 5
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan


..but no matter..his engine isn't grenading and that's what he really was inferring.

It's not very often that I see the correct use of the word "inferring". Bitogers are clearly a cut above!


I don't know. "Infer" is to understand (deduce). Correct use - eg, "I inferred from your implication".

So if he was stating something (subtely, or indirectly) then he should use "imply". If he was figuring something out (understanding) then it's "infer".

(And I'm not sure which he was doing - so the above may indeed be correct.)

And stick with one year OCIs in this app (imo).