Almost shot someone tonight :(

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Just when I thought it was safe.............

I'm driving home with my daughter from school, and a maroon Caravan that was swerving around on the main road had followed us into our neighborhood. He was driving very erratically, and almost hit me twice from behind as I had to slow for speed bumps. Speed limit is posted at 20mph. He tries to blow past me and what looked like from my perspective a PIT Maneuver. We are about a block from my house, and there is not really any place to pull over or get out of the way. I go ahead and turn down my street and pull over across from my house.

He pulls in and stops behind me, and is leaning over and pulling something out of his glovebox. Looks like a revolver to me as he holds it up to his steering wheel.

I put the Legacy in gear and squirt across the street into my driveway behind the WRX and make sure I'm fully on my property. Guy in the Caravan squeals his tires and blocks in my driveway, so I'm sandwiched in. He jumps out of his van and CHARGES towards me. Now, I have my 3.5-year-old daughter still strapped into her seat, and I unbuckle my seatbelt. I pull my Glock 26 out of the center console and slide the holster off of it, and pin it under my right leg while I open my driver's side door. I don't know if he is going to pull me out of my car, or beat the $h^( out of me, or what. He's screaming at me, "what the [censored] are you doing driving like you're on your cell phone you stupid mellonfarmer (well, not mellonfarmer but you know what I mean)!". I tell him to "BACK UP and get OFF of my property. Speed limit through this neighborhood is 20mph, and you almost hit me twice! BACK UP!". This exchange went back and forth. Guy is just off my rear driver's side near my daughter's door.

I tell him to get back into his car and drive away. Must have worked, he stomped back to his van and got in, and tore [censored] down the street. I call HPD non-emergency (what are they going to do? Situation over, no 911 needed. Just reporting in case he comes back.............)......

As I'm on the phone with the HPD dispatcher, he comes back driving down the street as I am giving them the license plate . He nails the brakes, and throws it into reverse. He comes back onto the corner, throws it in Park, and comes back out of his van, walking towards us (I have taken my daughter out of the car and was trying to get her into the house. I see his demeanor has changed .

He came back to apologize!!! He says he lives down the street, and his daughter Nyna is having open-heart surgery at Texas Children's Hospital right now and he's been trying to reach his wife and other kids at home but no one would answer their cell or home phones. He was frantic, almost maniacal. So he came back to apologize. I shook his hand twice and we greeted each other properly. I told him I'd pray for his daughter, and TOTALLY understand how crazy worried he must be given his situation. He attends the local Presbyterian church down the street, and said thank you for the prayers.

I am sure as [censored] thankful that it did not escalate beyond that! I did not draw or point or reveal my weapon at any time, but was prepared to use it if necessary and instantly. My escape was blocked purposefully by his van and it sure gives thought to if anything more sinister was to occur like this at my house.

I think it was more frightening for me because Katherine was with me, and he blocked my exit. He even told me later he was going to pull me out and beat the tar out of me, but did not. I did not ask about the revolver.

Still, this is a good example of the following: take inventory and assess every second of a situation. Also, verbal altercations can be kept to just that with well-placed orders and options ("get off my property", "get back into your vehicle") rather than just shouting back and forth or escalating the situation.

In hindsight, had I hit him with pepper spray, he may have shot at us with his revolver. Instead, I was able to deescalate the situation with words but ready to smash into his van and escape, or draw my weapon and give orders from there. He had his cell phone (Blackberry) in his left hand when he came at me, and I took that to mean that if he was going to do me serious harm he would have been holding the revolver and not his cell phone. I think that was the one thing that made me want to talk to him instead of drawing my weapon and ordering him to leave, which I was about 5-10 seconds away from doing as he charged at me.


Cliff Notes: James followed home, blocked in, charged by lunatic...guy comes back to apologize and has legitimate reason for being a lunatic. Nobody gets shot today.
 
good for you for remaining calm. I personally would not have gone home - once someone knows where you live..... despite his frantic day, he has all of the tendencies of road rage and is a hazard to himself and others.
 
I would likely have shot him, especially if I believed he had pulled a revolver out of his glovebox. Might have felt bad about it afterwards. Probably not, though.

There is no legitimate reason to be a lunatic.

Good job being aware and prepared!

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Being on your own property and feeling threatened, I probably would have shown the weapon but not pointed at him. Being in a public place, that would be different. Usually the display of a weapon is enough to change the mind of most perps. It is good that the situation did not go further, but you never know and must always be vigilent and be aware of your surroundings at ALL times, no matter where you are.
 
Wow that's nuts.

If he did have a revolver, maybe he should keep it locked up at home until his life becomes less stressful
 
Not trying to be mean or disrespectful in any way, but you need to debrief that whole situation with a someone who knows a thing or two about tactics and the law...you simply got lucky it didn't turn for the worse. I'd leave the gun at home until you learn how to properly and tactically control situations like this and properly articulate a deadly force situation.

If you want to potentially go to court with that story, it's your life I guess.
 
This is why the lack of CCW permits in Illinois -- me off.

Glad to hear it didn't escalate any further.
 
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Me,like the other poster said,I would`ve pulled over in a public spot and definitely not at my own house. If I knew I could take him,I`d knocked him out as soon as he got too close. But if I knew I would need to use deadly force,he`d be meeting his maker. Now if someone ever decided they were going to follow me home,block me in,and get in my face,deadly force would be used,no questions asked. In Texas you can use deadly force from dusk to dawn if someone comes onto your property. Getting a CHL is one of the best things you can do. My handgun goes everywhere I go.
 
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Originally Posted By: Yagenta13
Not trying to be mean or disrespectful in any way, but you need to debrief that whole situation with a someone who knows a thing or two about tactics and the law...you simply got lucky it didn't turn for the worse. I'd leave the gun at home until you learn how to properly and tactically control situations like this and properly articulate a deadly force situation.

If you want to potentially go to court with that story, it's your life I guess.



No court or law enforcement involved, we solved the problem like men...with handshakes.

As a TX concealed handgun license holder (CHL), in retrospect I fully complied with all Texas Penal Codes in the interaction.

As some of you may recall, I had a home invasion robbery in Nov 2008 where 3 guys stormed my house, I ran them off (unarmed at the time), and they returned to try to kill me (they were armed, I was not). Also, in February 2009 a guy tried to break into my house while I was home, and I once again did not shoot because I had the jump on him and I did not feel threatened. Having taken CHL and tactical home defense courses, I still believe in each of these situations I did what was best.
 
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Way to keep your cool!
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Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
Usually the display of a weapon is enough to change the mind of most perps.


An attorney friend of my friend was on the interstate in the middle of the night,returning home. He stopped in a convenience store to use the restroom. Some trash followed him in the store and was waiting for him and tried to rob him when he came out. He raised his shirt to reveal his holstered handgun and they ran off.
 
Originally Posted By: Solo2driver
guy comes back to apologize and has legitimate reason for being a lunatic. Nobody gets shot today.



He had no legitimate reason to do what he did. I'd have been a lot less tolerant with that --- then you! Could care less if he goes to church and has family in the hospital - what he did to you is wrong. He's lucky he didn't get his - shot off.

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But good on you for having the patience and situational awareness to deal with the guy.
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I have to be honest. If it weren't for the presence of the child, I might have killed him. He soon will be rolling around town with a gun again, and pumped full of meth, looking for someone to kill.

But you did the right thing.
 
He had no legitimate reason to do what he did. I'd have been a lot less tolerant with that - then you! Could care less if he goes to church and has family in the hospital - what he did to you is wrong. He's lucky he didn't get his - shot off.

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So because he's stressed out because of an ill family member and he's a church going fellow, it excuses him for almost committing assault?

If he gave me that sob story I would have told him I don't give a rat's behind and stay away from me and my property and I'd defend myself with lethal force to the full extent of the law - actions and behaviour are what makes a person, especially how they react to life's difficulties. This lune reacted by taking his problems and putting them on solo2.
 
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