I use M1 5w20 in the newer Taurus for warranty and have picked it up for a bit less than $20 for a 5 gal jug on sale at Walmart. I use 5W30 T&S in the other gas vehicles and it was available on sale for the same price, and is also an A5/B5 oil.
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Triple_Se7en
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Originally Posted By: flatlandtacoma
Walmart. $19.99/5 qts = $3.998 per quart.
Walmart five quart jugs for regular Mobil-1 are not broken down into $6 per quart multiplied by five quarts. They sell for alot less than that.
This thread reference is about "quart" jug prices anyways... not "five quart jug" prices.
Again I ask... who sells Platinum regularly for 44 per quart?
Walmart. $19.99/5 qts = $3.998 per quart.
Walmart five quart jugs for regular Mobil-1 are not broken down into $6 per quart multiplied by five quarts. They sell for alot less than that.
This thread reference is about "quart" jug prices anyways... not "five quart jug" prices.
Again I ask... who sells Platinum regularly for 44 per quart?
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Triple_Se7en
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Should read $4 per quart above.
This "five minute edit" rule is bad news. Sometimes we find our posts just submitted - may have a sentence - or sentences that just don't sound right. It sometimes takes a few minutes to figure out the wordings better. Then if you make a spelling error with the edited post 4 minutes later - then try to correct it, editing time expires. Recent example is my "44 per quart" mention. This place needs to kick-up the editing time to 10 minutes. Just my opinion....
This "five minute edit" rule is bad news. Sometimes we find our posts just submitted - may have a sentence - or sentences that just don't sound right. It sometimes takes a few minutes to figure out the wordings better. Then if you make a spelling error with the edited post 4 minutes later - then try to correct it, editing time expires. Recent example is my "44 per quart" mention. This place needs to kick-up the editing time to 10 minutes. Just my opinion....
Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Should read $4 per quart above.
This "five minute edit" rule is bad news. Sometimes we find our posts just submitted - may have a sentence - or sentences that just don't sound right. It sometimes takes a few minutes to figure out the wordings better. Then if you make a spelling error with the edited post 4 minutes later - then try to correct it, editing time expires. Recent example is my "44 per quart" mention. This place needs to kick-up the editing time to 10 minutes. Just my opinion....
That's what the preview is for.
Should read $4 per quart above.
This "five minute edit" rule is bad news. Sometimes we find our posts just submitted - may have a sentence - or sentences that just don't sound right. It sometimes takes a few minutes to figure out the wordings better. Then if you make a spelling error with the edited post 4 minutes later - then try to correct it, editing time expires. Recent example is my "44 per quart" mention. This place needs to kick-up the editing time to 10 minutes. Just my opinion....
That's what the preview is for.
Agreed.
Originally Posted By: uconn1150
I went to the Canadian (Imperial Oil) site and noticed that a grade of Mobil 1 is made from "petroleum base stocks" vs "synthetic base stocks." Very interesting, eh?
it's interesting, but i can't seems to find it... do you have an URL? thanks
I went to the Canadian (Imperial Oil) site and noticed that a grade of Mobil 1 is made from "petroleum base stocks" vs "synthetic base stocks." Very interesting, eh?
it's interesting, but i can't seems to find it... do you have an URL? thanks
Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted By: flatlandtacoma
Walmart. $19.99/5 qts = $3.998 per quart.
Walmart five quart jugs for regular Mobil-1 are not broken down into $6 per quart multiplied by five quarts. They sell for alot less than that.
That's right. Brilliant!!
It works out to $4.60 a quart, just like I posted above.
Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
This thread reference is about "quart" jug prices anyways... not "five quart jug" prices.
Again I ask... who sells Platinum regularly for 44 per quart?
You could argue with a fencepost, couldn't you?
Originally Posted By: flatlandtacoma
Walmart. $19.99/5 qts = $3.998 per quart.
Walmart five quart jugs for regular Mobil-1 are not broken down into $6 per quart multiplied by five quarts. They sell for alot less than that.
That's right. Brilliant!!
Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
This thread reference is about "quart" jug prices anyways... not "five quart jug" prices.
Again I ask... who sells Platinum regularly for 44 per quart?
You could argue with a fencepost, couldn't you?
Originally Posted By: gogozy
Originally Posted By: uconn1150
I went to the Canadian (Imperial Oil) site and noticed that a grade of Mobil 1 is made from "petroleum base stocks" vs "synthetic base stocks." Very interesting, eh?
it's interesting, but i can't seems to find it... do you have an URL? thanks
It's almost 2 years old and it could be a typo (since the data sheet says synthetic elsewhere), but here is a link (look under the precautions on page 3)
http://www.imperialoil.ca/Canada-English/Files/Products_Lubes/IOCAENPVLMOMobil_1_5W-20.pdf
Originally Posted By: uconn1150
I went to the Canadian (Imperial Oil) site and noticed that a grade of Mobil 1 is made from "petroleum base stocks" vs "synthetic base stocks." Very interesting, eh?
it's interesting, but i can't seems to find it... do you have an URL? thanks
It's almost 2 years old and it could be a typo (since the data sheet says synthetic elsewhere), but here is a link (look under the precautions on page 3)
http://www.imperialoil.ca/Canada-English/Files/Products_Lubes/IOCAENPVLMOMobil_1_5W-20.pdf
I know that whatever the price that Mobil 1 is at least a good oil. Has anyone been a user of Mobil 1 and switched to another brand because they lost confidense in EOM? If so what did you pick to replace it? I asked to people in the shop that I know were Mobil 1 users and they told me they stopped using synthetic oil at all because they felt that Mobil 1 'changed'.
Originally Posted By: BarkerMan
Has anyone been a user of Mobil 1 and switched to another brand because they lost confidense in EOM? If so what did you pick to replace it? I asked to people in the shop that I know were Mobil 1 users and they told me they stopped using synthetic oil at all because they felt that Mobil 1 'changed'.
I used M1 for 10 years and switched to mostly Pennzoil Platnium for 2 basic reasons.
1) Mobil 1 did change. When Extended Performance was introduced at approximately $1 more per quart I asked myself "What's going on?" Either the old M1 was an inferior product and they came out with a superior product for an additional $1, or they raised the price $1, called it EP, and reduced the quality of what became "regular" M1. Regardless, all Mobil would say was that the EP had significantly more SuperSyn (for whatever that's worth). At that point, I had little idea of the real value of Mobil 1, either in the EP or regular version.
2) An individual familiar with GC tested M1 EP 5W30 and found it to contain, to the best of his knowledge and understanding, Group III base oil, and no significant level of Group IV. So having little idea of the value of M1 products before, I had even less now. That was the final straw and led to my switch.
I think EM would be best served by coming clean about their products. There is no secret that most of their major competitors use GIII base in their "synthetic" products, and they are generally available for a little less money (significantly less when you consider the very good sale prices that occasionally occur on most OTC oils except for M1).
Mobil may have found a way to make superior oils by mixing various percentages of PAO and GIII base stocks, or perhaps they found a way to make GIII oils that offer performance superior to PAO oils in many ways. But they don’t want to talk any specifics about what they are doing. That makes me suspect that they have cheapened the product without passing any savings on to the consumer. All that leaves me with no reason to use their more costly product.
Has anyone been a user of Mobil 1 and switched to another brand because they lost confidense in EOM? If so what did you pick to replace it? I asked to people in the shop that I know were Mobil 1 users and they told me they stopped using synthetic oil at all because they felt that Mobil 1 'changed'.
I used M1 for 10 years and switched to mostly Pennzoil Platnium for 2 basic reasons.
1) Mobil 1 did change. When Extended Performance was introduced at approximately $1 more per quart I asked myself "What's going on?" Either the old M1 was an inferior product and they came out with a superior product for an additional $1, or they raised the price $1, called it EP, and reduced the quality of what became "regular" M1. Regardless, all Mobil would say was that the EP had significantly more SuperSyn (for whatever that's worth). At that point, I had little idea of the real value of Mobil 1, either in the EP or regular version.
2) An individual familiar with GC tested M1 EP 5W30 and found it to contain, to the best of his knowledge and understanding, Group III base oil, and no significant level of Group IV. So having little idea of the value of M1 products before, I had even less now. That was the final straw and led to my switch.
I think EM would be best served by coming clean about their products. There is no secret that most of their major competitors use GIII base in their "synthetic" products, and they are generally available for a little less money (significantly less when you consider the very good sale prices that occasionally occur on most OTC oils except for M1).
Mobil may have found a way to make superior oils by mixing various percentages of PAO and GIII base stocks, or perhaps they found a way to make GIII oils that offer performance superior to PAO oils in many ways. But they don’t want to talk any specifics about what they are doing. That makes me suspect that they have cheapened the product without passing any savings on to the consumer. All that leaves me with no reason to use their more costly product.
With all due respect (I do respect you!), not knowing the value of an oil you are using is not the oil-maker's or oil's fault.
Tom tested two grades of M1 EP viscosity grade oils. He said he thought there was Group 3 and significant quantities of alkylated napthalene. He missed the high viscosity PAO. Was he otherwise correct? None of us know. He also tested German Castrol and came to different conclusions than the BITOG-paid for analysis of German Castrol. Who's right? I don't know. There are a whole lot of assumptions going on by using this information. There are much better sources of information to base our opinions on. The information must also be constantly updated as products change.
Every OTC oil changes often.
Tom tested two grades of M1 EP viscosity grade oils. He said he thought there was Group 3 and significant quantities of alkylated napthalene. He missed the high viscosity PAO. Was he otherwise correct? None of us know. He also tested German Castrol and came to different conclusions than the BITOG-paid for analysis of German Castrol. Who's right? I don't know. There are a whole lot of assumptions going on by using this information. There are much better sources of information to base our opinions on. The information must also be constantly updated as products change.
Every OTC oil changes often.
Originally Posted By: JAG
With all due respect (I do respect you!), not knowing the value of an oil you are using is not the oil-maker's or oil's fault.
I think I missed your point (I'm not using M1 anymore). I would think the maker of a premimum priced product would consider it useful to proclaim why their product is a good value. Mobil, on the other hand seems to hinder all attempts to establish the value of their oils, and don't even publish the cold temperature pumping specs of their oils anymore.
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There are much better sources of information to base our opinions on.
I'm curious. Please point these sources out.
With all due respect (I do respect you!), not knowing the value of an oil you are using is not the oil-maker's or oil's fault.
I think I missed your point (I'm not using M1 anymore). I would think the maker of a premimum priced product would consider it useful to proclaim why their product is a good value. Mobil, on the other hand seems to hinder all attempts to establish the value of their oils, and don't even publish the cold temperature pumping specs of their oils anymore.
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There are much better sources of information to base our opinions on.
I'm curious. Please point these sources out.
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I would think the maker of a premimum priced product would consider it useful to proclaim why their product is a good value. Mobil, on the other hand seems to hinder all attempts to establish the value of their oils, and don't even publish the cold temperature pumping specs of their oils anymore.
They do proclaim the value. The value is exemplified through OEM endorsements, racing endorsements (too many to count), specs met etc. They also offer a 15k or 1 year oil.
Royal Purple claims they are PAO. So what? Is it any good? It shears out of grade and is more expensive than M1. Should I buy RP just because they claim they are Group IV? I dn't see the logic.
I would definitely like more product specs though and agree with you on that. But I don't need to know the exact ratio of base oils to determine it is a good product or not. For you , it seems you do.
Whether Mobil 1 uses strictly PAO in some grades or a mix of PAO/GrpIII/V doesn't matter to me. It's the end result that matters. I think you assign to much value to base oil categories. Certainly not the best oil, but it's one of them IMO.
I would think the maker of a premimum priced product would consider it useful to proclaim why their product is a good value. Mobil, on the other hand seems to hinder all attempts to establish the value of their oils, and don't even publish the cold temperature pumping specs of their oils anymore.
They do proclaim the value. The value is exemplified through OEM endorsements, racing endorsements (too many to count), specs met etc. They also offer a 15k or 1 year oil.
Royal Purple claims they are PAO. So what? Is it any good? It shears out of grade and is more expensive than M1. Should I buy RP just because they claim they are Group IV? I dn't see the logic.
I would definitely like more product specs though and agree with you on that. But I don't need to know the exact ratio of base oils to determine it is a good product or not. For you , it seems you do.
Whether Mobil 1 uses strictly PAO in some grades or a mix of PAO/GrpIII/V doesn't matter to me. It's the end result that matters. I think you assign to much value to base oil categories. Certainly not the best oil, but it's one of them IMO.
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They do proclaim the value. The value is exemplified through OEM endorsements, racing endorsements (too many to count), specs met etc. They also offer a 15k or 1 year oil.
The 15k/1year offers some value. But many other oils meet the same specs. The endorsements raise the product price, but not necessarily the value of any product I can buy.
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Royal Purple claims they are PAO. So what? Is it any good? It shears out of grade and is more expensive than M1. Should I buy RP just because they claim they are Group IV? I dn't see the logic.
If RP uses Group IV, that might explain and justify (to some) a higher price. But since Mobil doesn't want to talk specifics about their base oils, they need another reason to justify their higher price. I suspect their might be at least one M1 oil that shears out of grade.
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I would definitely like more product specs though and agree with you on that. But I don't need to know the exact ratio of base oils to determine it is a good product or not. For you , it seems you do.
I never said I needed to know the exact ratios of base oils. Mobil needs to tell me why I should pay more for their oil. Do they use a base oil that’s better? Or a combination of base oils that perform better? Does their SuperSyn package make it a better oil? If so, why? Does M1 perform better on UOA comparisons? Show me the data. I’m not content to pay more for M1 simply because its Mobil says it’s better. Show me the data or give me reasons to pay more.
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Whether Mobil 1 uses strictly PAO in some grades or a mix of PAO/GrpIII/V doesn't matter to me. It's the end result that matters. I think you assign to much value to base oil categories. Certainly not the best oil, but it's one of them IMO.
I’m not currently using any Group IV oils. But Group IV costs more and that alone may justify a higher price for some. That’s not to say I personally will pay much more for a Group IV oil. I use to pay more for M1 when they said it was better because it was a true synthetic. But Mobil isn’t saying that anymore.
They do proclaim the value. The value is exemplified through OEM endorsements, racing endorsements (too many to count), specs met etc. They also offer a 15k or 1 year oil.
The 15k/1year offers some value. But many other oils meet the same specs. The endorsements raise the product price, but not necessarily the value of any product I can buy.
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Royal Purple claims they are PAO. So what? Is it any good? It shears out of grade and is more expensive than M1. Should I buy RP just because they claim they are Group IV? I dn't see the logic.
If RP uses Group IV, that might explain and justify (to some) a higher price. But since Mobil doesn't want to talk specifics about their base oils, they need another reason to justify their higher price. I suspect their might be at least one M1 oil that shears out of grade.
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I would definitely like more product specs though and agree with you on that. But I don't need to know the exact ratio of base oils to determine it is a good product or not. For you , it seems you do.
I never said I needed to know the exact ratios of base oils. Mobil needs to tell me why I should pay more for their oil. Do they use a base oil that’s better? Or a combination of base oils that perform better? Does their SuperSyn package make it a better oil? If so, why? Does M1 perform better on UOA comparisons? Show me the data. I’m not content to pay more for M1 simply because its Mobil says it’s better. Show me the data or give me reasons to pay more.
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Whether Mobil 1 uses strictly PAO in some grades or a mix of PAO/GrpIII/V doesn't matter to me. It's the end result that matters. I think you assign to much value to base oil categories. Certainly not the best oil, but it's one of them IMO.
I’m not currently using any Group IV oils. But Group IV costs more and that alone may justify a higher price for some. That’s not to say I personally will pay much more for a Group IV oil. I use to pay more for M1 when they said it was better because it was a true synthetic. But Mobil isn’t saying that anymore.
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Originally Posted By: G-MAN
Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Should read $4 per quart above.
This "five minute edit" rule is bad news. Sometimes we find our posts just submitted - may have a sentence - or sentences that just don't sound right. It sometimes takes a few minutes to figure out the wordings better. Then if you make a spelling error with the edited post 4 minutes later - then try to correct it, editing time expires. Recent example is my "44 per quart" mention. This place needs to kick-up the editing time to 10 minutes. Just my opinion....
That's what the preview is for.
Not when the post has already been sent - then the idea that the sentence or sentences didn't come out of our mouths correctly - come minutes afterwards. I belong to over 50 messageboards. This is the only place with such strict editing times -- that hypothetically suggests to put your words in preview - take as much time as needed to get the words sorted properly in your mind -- perhaps while washing the kitchen dishes - then return to the computer later to send the comments.
It's your place to make any editing call you want.... I just choose to disagree.
Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Should read $4 per quart above.
This "five minute edit" rule is bad news. Sometimes we find our posts just submitted - may have a sentence - or sentences that just don't sound right. It sometimes takes a few minutes to figure out the wordings better. Then if you make a spelling error with the edited post 4 minutes later - then try to correct it, editing time expires. Recent example is my "44 per quart" mention. This place needs to kick-up the editing time to 10 minutes. Just my opinion....
That's what the preview is for.
Not when the post has already been sent - then the idea that the sentence or sentences didn't come out of our mouths correctly - come minutes afterwards. I belong to over 50 messageboards. This is the only place with such strict editing times -- that hypothetically suggests to put your words in preview - take as much time as needed to get the words sorted properly in your mind -- perhaps while washing the kitchen dishes - then return to the computer later to send the comments.
It's your place to make any editing call you want.... I just choose to disagree.
Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Not when the post has already been sent - then the idea that the sentence or sentences didn't come out of our mouths correctly - come minutes afterwards. I belong to over 50 messageboards. This is the only place with such strict editing times -- that hypothetically suggests to put your words in preview - take as much time as needed to get the words sorted properly in your mind -- perhaps while washing the kitchen dishes - then return to the computer later to send the comments.
It's your place to make any editing call you want.... I just choose to disagree.
I agree same here...and the $$ this place see's, should have a
edit button(finally got that)that works and works right...sheesh.
Not when the post has already been sent - then the idea that the sentence or sentences didn't come out of our mouths correctly - come minutes afterwards. I belong to over 50 messageboards. This is the only place with such strict editing times -- that hypothetically suggests to put your words in preview - take as much time as needed to get the words sorted properly in your mind -- perhaps while washing the kitchen dishes - then return to the computer later to send the comments.
It's your place to make any editing call you want.... I just choose to disagree.
I agree same here...and the $$ this place see's, should have a
edit button(finally got that)that works and works right...sheesh.
Originally Posted By: Brian Barnhart
Originally Posted By: JAG
With all due respect (I do respect you!), not knowing the value of an oil you are using is not the oil-maker's or oil's fault.
I think I missed your point (I'm not using M1 anymore). I would think the maker of a premimum priced product would consider it useful to proclaim why their product is a good value. Mobil, on the other hand seems to hinder all attempts to establish the value of their oils, and don't even publish the cold temperature pumping specs of their oils anymore.
I too wish they and all other manufacturers would publish the CCS and MRV data. M1 0W-40 is the only one currently that I see MRV or CCS data on. If you want good super cold oil, use a 0W-X oil. If not, it doesn't matter.
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There are much better sources of information to base our opinions on.
I'm curious. Please point these sources out.
Take your pick. There are so many ways to evaluate motor oils. Tom's GC results are useless for choosing your oil today. Interesting, yes. Useful, no.
I don't expect us to come to agreement since I think we view things differently and have different knowledge, experiences, and oil requirements (Euro turbo engine, here.) I also think this discussion is a total re-run and think it not worth continuing. It's my fault for putting myself back into it. My closing statement is that not all Mobil 1 Supersyn oils are created alike. It's not hard to figure out which ones are top choices if you research enough. Pennzoil Platinum makes some great synthetic viscosity grades; downside is they don't have the variety that Mobil 1 does. If they offer what you need, you are in luck. If not, you must pass on PP. Cheers.
Originally Posted By: JAG
With all due respect (I do respect you!), not knowing the value of an oil you are using is not the oil-maker's or oil's fault.
I think I missed your point (I'm not using M1 anymore). I would think the maker of a premimum priced product would consider it useful to proclaim why their product is a good value. Mobil, on the other hand seems to hinder all attempts to establish the value of their oils, and don't even publish the cold temperature pumping specs of their oils anymore.
I too wish they and all other manufacturers would publish the CCS and MRV data. M1 0W-40 is the only one currently that I see MRV or CCS data on. If you want good super cold oil, use a 0W-X oil. If not, it doesn't matter.
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There are much better sources of information to base our opinions on.
I'm curious. Please point these sources out.
Take your pick. There are so many ways to evaluate motor oils. Tom's GC results are useless for choosing your oil today. Interesting, yes. Useful, no.
I don't expect us to come to agreement since I think we view things differently and have different knowledge, experiences, and oil requirements (Euro turbo engine, here.) I also think this discussion is a total re-run and think it not worth continuing. It's my fault for putting myself back into it. My closing statement is that not all Mobil 1 Supersyn oils are created alike. It's not hard to figure out which ones are top choices if you research enough. Pennzoil Platinum makes some great synthetic viscosity grades; downside is they don't have the variety that Mobil 1 does. If they offer what you need, you are in luck. If not, you must pass on PP. Cheers.
Originally Posted By: JAG
Originally Posted By: Brian Barnhart
Originally Posted By: JAG
There are much better sources of information to base our opinions on.
I'm curious. Please point these sources out.
Take your pick. There are so many ways to evaluate motor oils.
I need to know some of the many and "much better sources of information" you claim exist before I can take my pick.
Originally Posted By: Brian Barnhart
Originally Posted By: JAG
There are much better sources of information to base our opinions on.
I'm curious. Please point these sources out.
Take your pick. There are so many ways to evaluate motor oils.
I need to know some of the many and "much better sources of information" you claim exist before I can take my pick.
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