all cars have backup cameras in 2018

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Of course, you could always just back your vehicle into any parking space or your driveway or garage as we do.
The angle on turning to back in allows you to clear the area behind you with the mirrors and there's then no problem with blind spots behind the vehicle when driving off.
The rest of what the poster you quoted wrote is drivel, since equating a backup camera with ABS or or AWD is nonsense.
DRLs, TPMS and auto headlights are for safety?
Not really.
This stuff is just uneeded CYA cost imposed on us by vehicle assemblers.
Can't really call them manufacturers anymore, since most of the parts come from suppliers.
 
Originally Posted By: Thermo1223
Originally Posted By: whip
My fear with things like this, is people become dependent on them. I think things like lane departure warning and collision avoidance can encourage people to be distracted or even lazy when it comes to driving. I think a lot of these safety devices will help good drivers be safer, but I also think it helps bad drivers to make more mistakes.


Funny story about that...merging onto the highway.

Right is clear for me but I merge close to a car in the left lane. Close enough I could see his blind spot light go off on his mirror. Wouldn't ya know it he tries switching lanes into me anyway.

My horn plus the electronic buzzer that should have told him not to do it gave him a good startle.

I would really appreciate it on the Forester. Once you close to 5-6 feet you can't see much behind you any more, children especially.


There's a thirty-foot long toddler-sized blind spot directly behind my F-150. Visibility these days on cars is garbage. When you read a car review somewhere visibility is never mentioned. They talk about the quality of the plastic instead. There are rollover requirements I guess that drive all this, but plenty of new cars have windows that look like something out of a James Dean movie. Long overdue.
 
I am in the camp that thinks this is a great technology but I am opposed to the government making them mandatory, I think as the costs come down manufacturers will eventually adopt them as standard equipment anyway.

My fear is once this becomes mandatory, a non-functioning camera will fail you on a safety inspection. I don’t like the idea of being shook down by a shop on something that is truly not a mandatory requirement to safely operate a motor vehicle.
 
It just bothers me that people are too irresponsible. Would TPMS be mandated if everybody checked their tire pressure once a week? Those people who couldn't check it themselves can go to a repair shop, and get their tires filled free.

It bothers me that some people have so little discipline over their kids, that they can't either:
1. Teach their children to stay far away from cars backing up.
2. Hold their children's hand tightly if that child can't learn to stay away from cars backing up.

I actually like backup cameras, but I don't like getting forced to have one.
 
Originally Posted By: Doog
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Wow!

Another dumbing down of the driving experience.


I thought the same thing but I guarantee once you get one. You will like it.


Driven vehicles with them. They're not in the same category as a sunroof, TPMS, or leather (all of which I would pay a premium to NOT get), but I honestly don't see the big deal about it. I wouldn't pay for one if it were optional.
 
Originally Posted By: Duffman77
I am in the camp that thinks this is a great technology but I am opposed to the government making them mandatory, I think as the costs come down manufacturers will eventually adopt them as standard equipment anyway.

My fear is once this becomes mandatory, a non-functioning camera will fail you on a safety inspection. I don’t like the idea of being shook down by a shop on something that is truly not a mandatory requirement to safely operate a motor vehicle.


I'm with you 100%. Our Acura has it from the factory. I added one to our CR-V with an inexpensive IR camera in the liftgate and a video screen rear view mirror from Gentex. I probably won't have another vehicle withOUT a backup camera. I back into the garage every time I park, and use it to make sure there are no kids' toys or anything else in the way, even things that I might have forgotten about that I might have left on the floor.

I don't think this should be mandatory. As with everything the government decides is mandatory, you get "scope creep". Contractors and business folks know exactly what that is. Kind of the "give them an inch and they'll take a mile" mentality.
 
Originally Posted By: tinmanSC
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Wow!

Another dumbing down of the driving experience.

Yeah, like turn signals, emergency brakes and safety glass.


Those make sense.

Signaling your intentions to other drivers...reasonable.

Backup for park pawl/leaving in gear...reasonable.

Safety glass for when wrecks happen (they always will)...reasonable.

Needing a camera to pull off a basic driving function...dumb as [censored].

People have got to get it together and start paying attention behind the wheel. The car is not a couch where you play with your phone or tablet.

People have backed up cargo vans with nothing but side view mirrors for about a century now. There is no excuse for needing cameras on a regular passenger vehicle with rear windows. Keep track of your kids and they won't end up behind your car when you're backing out of the driveway.

Creating "solutions" for dumb people only makes them worse. Make reversing part of the driver's test and make it harder to get a license if it's a problem.

No offense to those who like the convenience of the feature, but if someone NEEDS this to drive safely, there is a problem, and it's not with the car.
 
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Originally Posted By: artificialist
It just bothers me that people are too irresponsible. Would TPMS be mandated if everybody checked their tire pressure once a week? Those people who couldn't check it themselves can go to a repair shop, and get their tires filled free.

It bothers me that some people have so little discipline over their kids, that they can't either:
1. Teach their children to stay far away from cars backing up.
2. Hold their children's hand tightly if that child can't learn to stay away from cars backing up.

I actually like backup cameras, but I don't like getting forced to have one.


Well, I guess, If you are not allowed to buy a car with good visibility. You HAVE to have a car with Back-up cameras.

Not a bad idea, but what's next?

Driving on the road today Sucks!
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
It might be a plus when it comes time to hook up the trailer.

This, I have seen many fights started in the campground while hitching up or trying to get into a spot.
 
I guess I am one of those weirdos you come across now and then.

I have well over 5 million miles driving, backing, maneuvering semi trucks, not counting 50 years driving in total. I have only had one incident in my life and that was when I took out a mailbox built on a dairy cream can when I was a teenager.

Fast forward to my 2013 Silverado. Has the back up camera and the park assist sensors on the back. It took me less than 30 days of owning it to do $2700 damage to the back end. The sensor chiming is identical to the seat belt unhooked chime, and no one I know, including me, is going to hook up the seat belt to drive from the barn to the grain bin. I was backing and I had mentally blocked out the park assist chime, and I was distracted by the back up camera thing, that I backed into a a farm implement. If I had of just used the good 'ol fashioned backup procedures I have used since the 60's, I most likely would have not run into anything.

That being said, I disabled, permanently, the park assist sensors and, while I did leave the camera operational for the wife, I refuse to even give it a look.

Well, lesson learned. And any future vehicle purchase that has this nonsense is going to have fuses pulled and whatever to disable the stuff. Just too bad I wasted the money on this goofy stuff. Seemed like a neat idea when at the dealer. Then the real world application brought things into a clearer focus.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Well and this is the thing. There's no reason, besides styling, why the pillars have to be so big and the windows so small.

Crash compatibility with SUVs.
 
Originally Posted By: Miller88
My complaint is I'll now have to spend another $500 on a vehicle.


Exactly; and-like TPMS-it's the Nanny state stepping in to protect the careless/ignorant/incompetent from the consequences of their stupidity.
BTW, did you see where Asiana is blaming the Boeing 777 aircraft for the SFO crash? The pilot turned off the auto throttle and the system didn't magically reactivate when the pilot let the airspeed drop too low.
Heaven forbid that a professional plot should have to monitor his own airspeed...
 
I love the logic that I ignored the warnings the system was giving me, hit something, and its the systems fault.

It appears that based on consumer demand 78% of the market would already have these installed based on 2018 projections, which is when this is now scheduled to be mandatory. Sounds more like the market has spoken, not that it's always right.
 
Essential in my Acura MDX with tiny rear window/higher belt line. I also have a kids highback seat in rear center blocking my view further. Makes parking a breeze.

Indifferent.
 
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
It might be a plus when it comes time to hook up the trailer.

This, I have seen many fights started in the campground while hitching up or trying to get into a spot.


Experienced this first hand with my first and last experience RVing with another family over a long weekend. Not my kind of people(neighbor type at campground).
 
Originally Posted By: MCompact
Originally Posted By: Miller88
My complaint is I'll now have to spend another $500 on a vehicle.


Exactly; and-like TPMS-it's the Nanny state stepping in to protect the careless/ignorant/incompetent from the consequences of their stupidity.
BTW, did you see where Asiana is blaming the Boeing 777 aircraft for the SFO crash? The pilot turned off the auto throttle and the system didn't magically reactivate when the pilot let the airspeed drop too low.
Heaven forbid that a professional plot should have to monitor his own airspeed...



I read that modern pilots rely so much on automated equipment they are barely capable to fly unaided anymore, although they said american pilots train better than foreign pilots.
 
Originally Posted By: TiredTrucker
And any future vehicle purchase that has this nonsense is going to have fuses pulled and whatever to disable the stuff.


Pull the fuse to the dumb junk and the Service (wrench) light comes on. Pull the bulb to Service (wrench) and "Check Engine" lights. There's no escaping!
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