AK Cold weather, Zinc,HM, 40 wt...compromise

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Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Honestly this is the first cold flow thread I have seen here where the vehicle will actually be ran in the cold. Lots of folks here think they need that 0w in their snow blower at 32*F

Id run M1 0w40, Castrol 0w30/40 or if you cant find the others, Rotella T6 or M1 TDT. Each oil is an HDEO.

At the moment, M1 or Castrol 0w40 will be the cheapest if you have a Walmart around. Also, Id avoid the 10w40 if you expect to see the extreme cold temps and just run it in the warmer months if you feel its necessary.

Can you post pics of the truck?


And I mean, those are good choices but not quite the compromise I'm looking for. They dont address the high mileage additive I want in there as well.

Here's a couple pictures from camping this summer on the Kenai peninsula:

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Originally Posted By: Shannow
Can you get some Klondike 0W40 ?

more SAPS, AND 0W.


Haven't seen Klondike around in AK. I saw it when I was in the Yukon in March but their website looks like they sell the 0w40 in the large buckets and not quarts. It still doesn't address the high mileage additive concerns I want as well.

Since I can't find a high mileage 0w40 what about a 5w40 HM synth or a "thick" 5w30 HM synth with good cold weather properties? Such as a Euro Maxlife 5w40 ful synth. Don't know about the Zinc numbers with it though. I think LiquiMoly has something similar.

Remember, ideally I want high mileage, cold weather, 40 wt with zinc or the absolute closest to it. I'd prefer not to mix up my own.

I want one oil to use year round. I can use the winter oils in the summer here because we get max temps in the 70s but I don't want to use the summer only oil in the winter.
 
You get -50F in Anchorage very often, then you are not living in the Alaska I did. The severe cold is after you cross the hump and go into the interior. Anchorage is no worse than Washington state. Just a LOT of snow, since it is on the southern coast. I lived up near Fairbanks for 10 years, and Anchorage was where we went to get a break from the brutal cold. But we always used oil pan heaters, battery warmers, and block heaters in every vehicle. I used a 5w30 synthetic, year round, in a 1979 Ford Bronco and had nary a problem, even down to -72F.

You could also go with Schaeffer. Loads of Zinc and Moly. Their synthetic 5w30 shows 309 ppm of moly according to PQIA. I can confirm that from just my used oil sample from that oil that I did a while back. Their 5w40 diesel oils have pretty good zinc and moly packages also. They are all gasoline SM rated at least.
 
Forgot to mention, average temps in January in Anchorage is only +15F. Avg Low in January is +11F, whereas the avg low in Fairbanks during January is -17F.
 
I don't know alot about additives,but I read here every once in awhile someone will recommend a zinc additive for peoples' hot rod/muscle car engines that are flat tappet. Maybe add something like that to a good high mileage oil?
 
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
I don't know alot about additives,but I read here every once in awhile someone will recommend a zinc additive for peoples' hot rod/muscle car engines that are flat tappet. Maybe add something like that to a good high mileage oil?


You are making a sound suggestion to what's been posed as an impossible question.

OP wants
* 0W
* 30/40
* more zinc
* high mileage oil (for seal reasons).

And has rejected all offerings to date.

A high mileage oil won't be a 0W ('cept 0W20)
A 0W20 won't be high zinc, nor will it be 30 or 40
A high zinc oil with 0W40 won't be HM

There's a hole in the bucket.
 
Originally Posted By: Kuato
DEFinitely a 0wxx oil is in your future. Amsoil makes 2 0w40s and their SS0w30 is second to none for extended drains.

Plus there's a distribution center right there in Anchorage.



OP Id go AMSOIL and pick it up at the distribution center! +1 on the 0w40's
 
Originally Posted By: TiredTrucker
You get -50F in Anchorage very often, then you are not living in the Alaska I did. The severe cold is after you cross the hump and go into the interior. Anchorage is no worse than Washington state. Just a LOT of snow, since it is on the southern coast. I lived up near Fairbanks for 10 years, and Anchorage was where we went to get a break from the brutal cold. But we always used oil pan heaters, battery warmers, and block heaters in every vehicle. I used a 5w30 synthetic, year round, in a 1979 Ford Bronco and had nary a problem, even down to -72F..


Again, I live in Anchorage and I drive all over the state often, including the northern interior where the severe cold is . 1st post and 2nd post on this page.


Thanks for all the suggestions from those of you who read the requirements and took the time to post up.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow


You are making a sound suggestion to what's been posed as an impossible question.


That was the point of the thread. It sounded impossible to me, based on my research but I wanted to check here first before I compromised to see if there was a product that checked all the boxes that I just didn't know about..

Adding sealers for leaks I'm afraid will thicken the oil too much to make those cold weather properties not as good And adding zinc from a bottle may reduce lubrication compared to just the straight formulated oil.
 
Originally Posted By: ETLS
Originally Posted By: jayg
Originally Posted By: ETLS

SWEPCO 306 Supreme Formula


http://www.swepcolube.com/sites/default/...hure_j11976.pdf

Not recommended for flat tappet camshafts.

Again why I like high zinc.


Your brochure post isn't for the 306 I suggested, it's for 303. 306 is your best choice for flat tappet cams.


Good call. Why do you recommend it over something like a Mobil 0w40 for example?

Thanks
 
Originally Posted By: donnyj08
Amsoil Z-Rod 10w30?

Its a thick 3.6 HTHS oil with high-zink & phos.

-49F pour point, and NOACK of 5.0%.

or M1 0w40. It wont have high ZDDP though. but should do well in the cold.

Another option is M1 5w30 HM which will Be SL rated and carry more ZDDP than an SN/SM oil. It is a "thicker" 30wt as well. The pour point isn't as impressive as the Z-Rod, however.


Donny, I like this train of thought. It is really close to what I want though the M1 HM 10w40 has more zinc (over 1000 ppm) and still has a low pour point for a 10w (-33C as opposed to the 5w30 which is -39C).
 
Originally Posted By: donnyj08
Amsoil Z-Rod 10w30?

Its a thick 3.6 HTHS oil with high-zink & phos.

-49F pour point, and NOACK of 5.0%.

or M1 0w40. It wont have high ZDDP though. but should do well in the cold.

Another option is M1 5w30 HM which will Be SL rated and carry more ZDDP than an SN/SM oil. It is a "thicker" 30wt as well. The pour point isn't as impressive as the Z-Rod, however.


Donny, I like this train of thought. It is really close to what I want though the SN rated M1 HM 10w40 has more zinc (over 1000 ppm) and still has a low pour point for a 10w (-33C as opposed to the 5w30 which is -39C).

And as of last Fall, even the 5w30 M1 HM has over 1000 PPM per Mobil 1.

https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-product-specs-guide.pdf
 
Without a doubt it's the cold start adhesion properties that immediately come to mind. Gravity will not reduce the bond not to mention extreme temps will not thicken the oil.
 
Originally Posted By: ETLS
Without a doubt it's the cold start adhesion properties that immediately come to mind. Gravity will not reduce the bond not to mention extreme temps will not thicken the oil.


Really?
 
Yeah, funny statement.

If the oil could meet the 5W, or 0W COLD PUMPING requirements, then it's required to be labelled as the lowest it can meet.

If labelled a 10W...then it's 20F off the mark if a 0W is required.
 
My suggestion isn't an easy one, but Delvac Elite 222 0w30 CJ-4/SM comes in 5 gallon pails and is very cheap. You'd have to cross into Canada for it. Alternatively, Shell is supposed to have a 0w30 Rotella. Check with a SOPUS distributor and see what they can do for you.
 
Cook some bacon grease that has congealed into a solid at cold temps like 35°F.
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See what happens when ya heat it up on the stove too. Bacon hmmmm apple smoked, hickory smoked, tasty
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