Aisin TF-80SC 6-speed automatic transmission

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Hello,

2013 XC 70 3.2 in Australia.
Aisin WS oil not marketed here.
Volvo ATF prohibitively expansive ($190 for 4L)

Seems most Volvos are being serviced with Multi-Veichle ATF
Was considering using Toyota WS ATF.
Is this the correct oil???
 
Volvo fluid is nothing more than re-bottled fluid from other brands. Their fluid for my cars is rebottled Mobil 3309, at about five times the price. Nothing special.

I agree with Chitown. Use a WS or JWS 3324 fluid. Aisin WS may not be “Marketed” in ‘Straya - but I promise there are a ton of Toyotas running around that use a JWS 3324. You want a fluid that meets that spec. Toyota WS is a great choice. I bet you can find others.
 
Great Toyota WS it is.

The manual states AW-1. Not sure what this is. And what is JWS2234? Neither Volvo nor Toyota WS bottles mention either.
Hard to find info aside from forum posts.
 
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Great Toyota WS it is.

The manual states AW-1. Not sure what this is. And what is JWS2234? Neither Volvo nor Toyota WS bottles mention either.
Hard to find info aside from forum posts.
Are you referring to a 2013 Volvo Owner's Manual? Many changes have been adopted since. Use the current compatible fluids as mentioned by the members here.
 
Are you referring to a 2013 Volvo Owner's Manual? Many changes have been adopted since. Use the current compatible fluids as mentioned by the members here.
Got it.
What are thoughts on Multi-transmission fluids?
These are synthetics but they do seem too good to be true.
In reality that is what most transmission shops use. Currently in the car is Valvoline Maxlife ATF


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Got it.
What are thoughts on Multi-transmission fluids?
These are synthetics but they do seem too good to be true.
In reality that is what most transmission shops use. Currently in the car is Valvoline Maxlife ATF


See 28.28/40.42


See 30:11/1:18

Do not use multi vehicle fluid in your Aisin trans in your Volvo. Your car takes the WS JWS3324 fluid as stated by others. Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be. I have 3 of these cars and maintain 4 more Volvos of similar vintage. Recommendations from Astro14, Chitown on swedespeed, and GlenDa5id are all you need to know.
 
Thank you.
Just got some Toyota WS fluid to supplement the 4L Volvo fluid I purchased.
Will be doing a flush of the current Valvoline Max Life in the next few weeks.
 
I’m in Australia and have three Volvos in the fleet with TF80-SC transmissions. I use MaxLife in the S80, and Petronas Tutela 800 in the XC60 and XC70. Any WS is fine in these, even multi-vehicle types.

The most important thing is to reset the fluid counter and adaptations after a fluid change. Not doing this will damage the trans
 
I have a Range Rover Evoque 2013 with this automatic transmission. I was using a Toyota WS and my transmission was kicking. When I filled it with Motul Multy ATF, although it is a little thicker (7 vs 5), the kicking stopped.
 
I’m in Australia and have three Volvos in the fleet with TF80-SC transmissions. I use MaxLife in the S80, and Petronas Tutela 800 in the XC60 and XC70. Any WS is fine in these, even multi-vehicle types.

The most important thing is to reset the fluid counter and adaptations after a fluid change. Not doing this will damage the trans
Hello YZJB
The adaptives don't need to be reset unless parts in the transmission have been changed or you are trying to correct some fault in the transmission. The fluid counter measures the number of times the transmission fluid temperature exceeds a set value and sets a code indicating a need for a transmission fluid change. I do not see how not resetting the counter could damage the transmission.

Valvoline Maxlife specifications states the following in regards to AW-1 and WS specs : Low viscosity fluid application which is outside Maxlife Multi-Vehicle ATF viscosity parameters.
 
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Hello YZJB
The adaptives don't need to be reset unless parts in the transmission have been changed or you are trying to correct some fault in the transmission. The fluid counter measures the number of times the transmission fluid temperature exceeds a set value and sets a code indicating a need for a transmission fluid change. I do not see how not resetting the counter could damage the transmission.

Valvoline Maxlife specifications states the following in regards to AW-1 and WS specs : Low viscosity fluid application which is outside Maxlife Multi-Vehicle ATF viscosity parameters.
The reason you should always reset both the counter and the adaptations is because the trans adapts to the fluid over time, so when you change the fluid the adaptations are no longer relevant as the fluid characteristics have changed.

Changing the fluid without resetting the fluid counter can cause an error light. Changing the fluid without resetting the adaptations will cause harsh shifting.

I’ve been there and done that before. As I said, I have three of these in my driveway
 
I think not resetting the counter is equivalent to not resetting the service reminder after an oil change. May eventually get a fault code but no damage will result if not done.

Resetting the adaptation only required if the transmission or one of its components has been changed

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I think not resetting the counter is equivalent to not resetting the service reminder after an oil change. May eventually get a fault code but no damage will result if not done.

Resetting the adaptation only required if the transmission or one of its components has been changed

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Again, having three of these transmissions in my driveway, and having experimented with changing the fluid without resetting anything, it causes rough shifting!

Reset the adaptations and the rough shifting is instantly resolved.

I know what Volvo says to do, I have VIDA, I am a qualified mechanic, I specialise in Euros. Trust me when I say you should always reset the fluid counter and the adaptations when you replace the fluid in these gearboxes.
 
Why would changing fluid cause rough shifting?
Because the transmission adapts to the old fluid as the fluid wears. New fluid is a change in viscosity and friction characteristics.

A lot happens in a shift, the throttle is closed (pedal position doesn’t matter, only throttle body valve position, which is computer controlled), a solenoid is opened, releasing fluid from one gear, the torque converter clutch may, or may not be released, and a solenoid is closed, driving fluid into the servo for another gear.

The computer monitors those operations, and if the timing isn’t right, if the shift isn’t smooth, adapts the timing to make them smooth. It takes thousands of shifts to adapt unless the adaptations are reset.

A new valve body, for example, requires a “relearn” of all of that and the first few shifts will be rough. There is a very detailed procedure to go through an initial adaptation for garage shifts (R-N-D) and each gear shift up and down. The car must be placed in adapt mode by VIDA. I’ve done three valve bodies.

That said, the degree of adaptation depends on the degree of wear of the old fluid. If it’s bad, then, yeah, it’s a big change and the transmission won’t shift right.

The quick relearn is required for component replacement. It may be required for fluid replacement.

I think @YZJB gave you good advice. When I do a flush, I reset the counter using VIDA. I flush often enough that I haven’t had to reset the adaptation because the fluid is in good shape, but I have the AW-55, which is a simpler five speed than your six speed. I would listen to the guy who has several cars like yours.
 
Ignorance is bliss!
I also have an older XC 70 with 180K+ miles and have never reset the counter despite multiple fluid exchanges.
I was not aware it was needed for the AW-55.

The current car 2013XC 70 3.2 was serviced about 5 months and less than 10K with Valvoline Max-Life.
It's running fine. I did not ask if they reset the counter but will find out.

Might need to get VIDA

YZJB , you are running MaxLife in your S80. Is this a transmission that calls for AW-1 Fluid?
 
YZJB , you are running MaxLife in your S80. Is this a transmission that calls for AW-1 Fluid?
The S80 is a TF-80SC gen-1 so it specifies JWS3309 ie Toyota T-IV, the other two are TF-80SC gen-2s so they specify Toyota WS/Aisin AW-1.
 
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Because the transmission adapts to the old fluid as the fluid wears. New fluid is a change in viscosity and friction characteristics.
Spot on. And to add to this, old fluid as it’s contaminated with clutch material, tends to require higher line pressures to maintain zero clutch slip. So if you remove the clutch material suspended in the fluid by replacing the fluid, suddenly the trans requires lower line pressure. So, in the time it takes for the adaptations to relearn (if you don’t reset them) the shifts can be quite harsh as the line pressures the trans has adapted to with the old fluid are suddenly way too high for the new fluid.
 
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