5.4 3v Moisture Issuse

[Soak_n_Fused]

BlackBeard That is some dam good advise actually probably the best ive had yet
I cant find a thermostat that opens up as hot as these people are saying and on top of that when I pull in the summer with a thermostat that high id have to have a large cooler instead of a medium one

any idea on the routing for the water on that cooler

Is that something I just run inline with the heater core?

 

[Soak_n_Fused]

I wouldn't have to have excessive oil lines running everywhere to im excited you brought that up

 

[MNgopher]

A quick search and I found all sorts of thermostats that are rated at 180. Several at hotter ranges. Look harder...

On top of that, highly doubtful you would need a larger cooler with a higher thermostat.

 

[rslifkin]

Hotter t-stat won't require a bigger cooler, as you're still getting rid of the same amount of heat (you're just letting things warm up more before you start shedding heat).

An oil / water cooler is definitely an elegant solution, as it doesn't need a thermostat at all. I wouldn't put one in the lower hose though, as that can get colder than optimal on the highway in the winter. I'd put it either in the upper hose or the heater loop where it'll keep the oil temp close to the engine temp (and it'll help warm the oil faster if it's in the heater loop).

 

[Colt45ws]

The Crown Victoria Police oil cooler goes in the lower radiator hose.

Its pretty long, and as you can see, too fat for a heater hose install.
Unfortunately I do not have a temp gauge to see what the oil runs as far as temperature with the one on the CVPI. Im planning on deleting mine this summer by replacing the oil filter adapter with a civilian model which does not have the output to the cooler.

 

[DoubleWasp]

Oil/water oil coolers generally don't perform as well as oil/air oil coolers. Trying to cool any fluid down using another fluid of around 190-200F ambient is not always a good plan.

 

[rslifkin]

Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Oil/water oil coolers generally don't perform as well as oil/air oil coolers. Trying to cool any fluid down using another fluid of around 190-200F ambient is not always a good plan.


The heat transfer with an oil/water cooler is far, far more efficient though. If the cooler is sized right and the radiator has enough cooling capacity to handle the extra heat load from the oil, they work just fine.

 

[Cujet]

Also, the oil to water coolers serve to maintain oil temp properly. In some locations, especially during short trips, it's entirely possible to have cooler oil temps than water temps.

 

[Ducked]

Originally Posted By: motor_oil_madman
My lawn mower does this. It doesn't get hot enough in the winter.


I'd guess your lawn might show the same effect.

 

[rslifkin]

Originally Posted By: Cujet
Also, the oil to water coolers serve to maintain oil temp properly. In some locations, especially during short trips, it's entirely possible to have cooler oil temps than water temps.


In the winter (with no oil cooler), this is usually the case with my Jeep if you're not beating on it or on the highway. After a highway cruise, you'll see oil temps around 200 - 210 in cold weather (coolant around 195 - 200*), but around town, the oil will just settle right around 190* unless you're working the motor a bit.

 

[Soak_n_Fused]

thats pretty cool i was looking at the sandwich style that they used on expaditions and 2000 ish f150s

 

[SHOZ]

Originally Posted By: Soak_n_Fused
thats pretty cool i was looking at the sandwich style that they used on expaditions and 2000 ish f150s

I put one on my Hyundai Genesis Coupe from a Taurus SHO.

 

[DoubleWasp]

Originally Posted By: rslifkin
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Oil/water oil coolers generally don't perform as well as oil/air oil coolers. Trying to cool any fluid down using another fluid of around 190-200F ambient is not always a good plan.


The heat transfer with an oil/water cooler is far, far more efficient though. If the cooler is sized right and the radiator has enough cooling capacity to handle the extra heat load from the oil, they work just fine.


The cooler being sized right is the major issue. Due to space limitations, this almost never happens.

I have several vehicles with oil/water coolers of different designs. When push comes to shove, the oil temps can creep well over 230 degrees under high loads.

This is why even manufacturers who use oil/water coolers place air/oil coolers on the highest performance/service applications.

 

[Soak_n_Fused]

What kind does the sho have

 

[rslifkin]

Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
I have several vehicles with oil/water coolers of different designs. When push comes to shove, the oil temps can creep well over 230 degrees under high loads.


If it can keep oil temps under 240* when beating the living [censored] out of the motor, I'd consider the cooler setup to be good enough. Any good synth of appropriate viscosity can handle that just fine.

Adding an oil / water cooler to the Jeep will be a project for this spring. After coming off the track at Watkins Glen last year during opening weekend, I shot the oil pan with an IR gun and saw 265* (which means it was probably pushing 280* at times). That's hot enough to worry me...

 

[SHOZ]

Originally Posted By: Soak_n_Fused
What kind does the sho have
It is an oil filter base that has coolant going through it.

 

[Soak_n_Fused]

I like that how can I be sure it will work with my oil filter and threads

Is it just hooked into the heater core loop

 

[SHOZ]

This takes a metric thread to go into the oil filter adapter and a 3/4-16 thread for the filter. Ford made these for quite a few of their cars. Should be plenty in the JYs. Taurus SHOs, Lincolns Mustangs.

They usually have their own loop into the water pump but the heater core hose would work as long as there is always flow.

 

[Soak_n_Fused]

yea I like that ive seen a lot of them just run a diverter off the bottom radiator hose which wouldn't help warm up time though cause that would be cold water

I like the idea of this I guess my only question is where to tie it into the system

im still wondering if I need it I run a full synthetic oil
I think the highest I saw was 230 but heat up time in the winter would be nice

 

[SHOZ]

On mine I drilled a hole in the water pump and tapped it for the return hose. The feed hose is what is coming from the heater core>to the turbo>to the oil cooler>to the water pump. In 2013 Hyundai put these on the 2L turbos and I copied the hose layout.