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I'm not really surprised by the F1 being initially quicker. It's considerably lighter, and I imagine that would show itself in other places as well, like tight racetracks, autox, etc (If I owned one, I'd definitely auto-x it).
Veyron: 4,162lb, 1000hp: 4.16lb/hp
F1: 2,513lb, 640hp: 3.92lb/hp

Power to weight still means something, until drag starts to mean more
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Besides, the cars were built with totally different goals in mind.
One was built to be the best road car of all time, with money as no object.
The other was built to have 1000 usable horsepower.

Both appear to meet the bars they set for themselves quite well.
 
Originally Posted By: MrHorspwer
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
The F1 schools the Veyron in the 1/4, the Veyron is actually kind of a turd on the low end.

OTOH, watch how snappy the F1 is in the beginning of the video.

I'm not going to get into a debate between one episode of an entertainment TV show vs. years of official and magazine figures. If you'd rather believe Top Gear, more power to you.
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That is a video of the two cars racing, same day, same road, and I don't see a problem with the source being Top Gear in this instance? I take their evaluations and opinions with a huge pinch of salt, but this video is pretty cut and dry, IMO. The Veyron shouldn't even be the hardest car to drive considering it a clutchless manual with launch control. The F1 just has more down low, which is apparent even in the low speed snaps.
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I happen to own a copy of the Top Gear magazine in which this very race and comparison was featured. In an effor to be fair, launch control wasn't used on the Veyron during the test. Nobody from the television crew or magazine thought the Veyron had a chance in a drag race and that it would take at least a half mile for the Veyron to build up a head of steam and pass the F1. Everyone was surprised at the result.

As a secondary note, Top Gear are HUGE fans of the F1 and, despite this particular race, still rate the F1 as the ultimate supercar.


Uh, don't the Veyron's flashing tail lights indicate launch control?

Read this: http://www.worldcarfans.com/110041325639/bugatti-veyron-is-a-piece-of-junk---mclaren-boss-ron

Apparently Top Gear had to work at making the Veyron win.
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Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Uh, don't the Veyron's flashing tail lights indicate launch control?

No. They indicate a camera trying to capture LEDs, which flash at a certain frequency. To the naked eye, they appear to be constantly on because the frequency is too high for our eyes to catch. However, since a camera captures images in frames, occasionally it will capture a frame between flashes, and the lights will appear to flicker.
 
Huh, I didn't even realize they were LED. I thought it was sequential flashing but on a second watch I can see you are right.
 
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Uh, don't the Veyron's flashing tail lights indicate launch control?

No. They indicate a camera trying to capture LEDs, which flash at a certain frequency. To the naked eye, they appear to be constantly on because the frequency is too high for our eyes to catch. However, since a camera captures images in frames, occasionally it will capture a frame between flashes, and the lights will appear to flicker.


I've never heard of leds having the nature of flashing when in full power. So being no expert in this but with a bit of reading I am thinking the flashing comes form them using pulse width modulation as a dimmer and not the led its self.
 
Originally Posted By: wapacz
I've never heard of leds having the nature of flashing when in full power. So being no expert in this but with a bit of reading I am thinking the flashing comes form them using pulse width modulation as a dimmer and not the led its self.

Sorry, I posted that link as a rebuttal to what I thought you were saying, but I hadn't read your post properly. What you are saying makes sense.
 
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: wapacz
I've never heard of leds having the nature of flashing when in full power. So being no expert in this but with a bit of reading I am thinking the flashing comes form them using pulse width modulation as a dimmer and not the led its self.

Sorry, I posted that link as a rebuttal to what I thought you were saying, but I hadn't read your post properly. What you are saying makes sense.


yeah i didn't exactly word that well.
 
Originally Posted By: Autobahn88
Very well put. A good unbias answer that hits the mark. I am personally getting sick of these childish, uninformed culture bashing responses from people like dailydriver. That is what ruins this forum for many of the good folks here.


"Uninformed culture bashing"

I'm sooo sorry that I 'offended' you with my concern for MY country's economy, well being, pride, etc.
I guess that since your country has NO auto manufacturing companies based there, you don't have to be concerned with these issues (same goes for the Ozzies!)??

If I were to give an objective, NO trade/economic issues influenced opinion, I would say it's an OK (at best) effort, but NOT the way I would spend $400K (even if I were forced to spend it ALL on one automobile!)

There are PLENTY of U.S. sourced/built/owned companies and marques producing product that will do every and anything as well as this (and ANY other) Nippon product(s).
 
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
"Uninformed culture bashing"

I'm sooo sorry that I 'offended' you with my concern for MY country's economy, well being, pride, etc.
I guess that since your country has NO auto manufacturing companies based there, you don't have to be concerned with these issues (same goes for the Ozzies!)??

If I were to give an objective, NO trade/economic issues influenced opinion, I would say it's an OK (at best) effort, but NOT the way I would spend $400K (even if I were forced to spend it ALL on one automobile!)

There are PLENTY of U.S. sourced/built/owned companies and marques producing product that will do every and anything as well as this (and ANY other) Nippon product(s).

There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. dailydriver is the lone defender of the American auto industry! His weapon is repeating the same anti-Toyota trope, intentionally exaggerated way beyond what he actually thinks, every time someone mentions a foreign brand, regardless of the context.

Oh, and apparently Holden doesn't exist, since Australia has no auto manufacturers based there. Sorry, Aussies. You're all driving figments of your imagination.

Support our troops, folks!
 
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Oh, and apparently Holden doesn't exist, since Australia has no auto manufacturers based there. Sorry, Aussies. You're all driving figments of your imagination.


...and who exactly owns Holden (and where are they based), oh 'genius' defender of everything foreign automotive??
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Originally Posted By: d00df00d
I rest my case.


I must say that what dailydriver actually knows about the car manufacturing,the bailout and GM...
Would fit in a peanut shell and it would still rattle around...
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As far as the Lexus LFA,not a fan.
I'd go with Porsch and others for $375K and less.
The LFA would be more reliables that a Porsche,Ferrari etc for a daily driver but who would really use this car as one.
 
Originally Posted By: Colt
The LFA would be more reliables that a Porsche,Ferrari etc for a daily driver but who would really use this car as one.

That's another really odd thing about the LFA: It's only being sold (or leased in the US) to people who agree to drive it regularly and not let it be a garage ornament.
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Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: Colt
The LFA would be more reliables that a Porsche,Ferrari etc for a daily driver but who would really use this car as one.

That's another really odd thing about the LFA: It's only being sold (or leased in the US) to people who agree to drive it regularly and not let it be a garage ornament.
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And how exactly is your beloved Nippon Giant going to enforce this prerequisite/requirement??

Are they really going to come and try to take away a nearly $400K car from a cash paying owner because the odometer (or some satellite/GPS reciever) reads too low per month/year?!!

Sounds like as great an idea as the GTR's max launch control that can only be used a finite number of times, or a gearbox that is not warrantied if driven too hard.
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Originally Posted By: Colt
I must say that what dailydriver actually knows about the car manufacturing,the bailout and GM...
Would fit in a peanut shell and it would still rattle around...
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How many engineering and economics doctorates do you have hanging on your wall, brainiac??

Where and when did I mention anything about a bailout?
 
Originally Posted By: Colt
The LFA would be more reliables that a Porsche,Ferrari etc...


I'm not sure why you make this assumption.
 
Among people who can actually afford this car, I see very little interest. The only people I've heard of who want it, preface their desire with "If I had the money,". In other words, the people without the means are the only ones that want it.

Ferrari and Lamborghini sales are down 30-50% YOY, and that's after a large sales drop in '08-09. It's not a good time to release a $375k car. I expect Toyota to lose a lot of money on this after the novelty wears off.
 
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