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I just about purchased a 2017 Elantra, but the VW was a bit cheaper after the rebates.
2018 Elantra SE
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Originally Posted by Driz
My 13 Sonatas been fine, daughters 15 Elantra tossed its cookies at 46000 mi using all sunthetic oil and OEM filters. Hers is by far not the only one. The new engine sounded almost as loud as the dying one Take a look on the Hyundai forums and you'll see what I mean. There's a thread on there that's entirely about Canadians with dead Elantras. It's not so great for us in the US but it's a whole lot worse for Canadians due to your crap consumer protection laws. Hyundai seems to take full advantage of that. Consider also that many die at or around 90-120,000 which in most cases leaves you SOL. Just watching the posts go by it seems like those Elantras die at a very much higher rate . Why, who knows may be the colder climate.
When our adventure started out in 13 it was only Sonatas. They hid it then blamed it on new manufacturing process at the new Alabama plant. Fixed in April 2012. Then it kept happening and continued ever after.until today. Along the way Elantras with their smaller engine series started started knocking and dying . They fixed that 🤗with some new piston coating sometime in 2014. Guess what they continued dying and Hyundai is still shoving new engines in warranty cars as fast as they can get them now.
Here's the real rub with this Theta engine series issue. As far as anyone seems to be able to figure they never fixed the original problem and just keep pumping them out as before. Browse that forum and you'll see what I mean . I've been watching this mess unfold with no end in sight for 5 years so I'm telling you straight.
Oh consider also that in all likelihood you're gonna get a crap trade in when you sell eventually. . My daughter got offered the lofty sum of $5000 for a 3 year old car in April with a brand new engine towards an 18 Toyota RAV4. She lucked out and managed $7500 and was lucky to get that. I kept my time bomb because I'm good to 120,000 miles /10 years ( Sonata) due to a recall brought on by a fat class action law suit. No such luck for The Elantra AFAIK. If you do decide to go there be sure to save all your receipts and document your oil changes.............
Driz is 110% right, and I am one of those posters on the Hyundai forums who had a 2013 1.8 liter with 14,000 miles on it have "The Hyundai Tick of Death" Hyundai/but mainly the dealer rejected my tick 3 times , but I kept bring it in for the tick. They kept telling me it was normal. I owned a hobby Audi repair shop and did engine building for others when young ....so I know cars. The forth time I said .."here are the keys, I don't want it back until you fix it". Four hours later I received a call that I will be getting a new long block. I found out later some dealerships have hundreds of cars waiting for new motors, one had 200+ sitting in a warehouse and their other manufacture sister dealerships were putting new Hyundai motors back in at say "chevy" dealerships because they has so many dead Hyundais that the owners of multi branded dealerships had to use their other branded dealership just to not get months behind in motor installs.
This 1.8 has the VERY secret "warranty recall" so they don't get ANOTHER motor series on world wide recall. USA buyer have the Magnuson -Moss Warranty Act to protect them is some aspects of ownership. You Canada people can get TOTALLY screwed and with no protection, Hyundai can just say "you voided your warranty" and you are screwed.
Then to top it off my new motor was a slow pig of a motor even after 5,000 miles., and they told me nothing was wrong with it. I would just [censored] and moan on ow I hated this slow car to my wife every week. ( I waited till 5,000 miles to bring it in because I knew they would just say it is a new motor and not broken in yet). Here is something that will blow your mind as it did mine at the time. After all this I bought a new Hyundai and traded in my old Elantra GT.....................................I bought a 2018 Hyundai Kona AWD 1.6T. I did a ton of research and found out that motor was one of their best motors, and every check box was Xed on the Kona against all different brands.
Since I am here in the USA I have the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act so they would have a harder time denying warranty vs any other country. If I lived in Canada I would not have bought the Kona, just too much risk. As far as "America's best warranty" now bested by VW. You better bring in all your big guns because they will find a way to deny your simple warranty claim. You just have to be a fighter, have a copy of the Magnuson -Moss Warranty Act with you and have access to experts to back you up. So far I LOVE my Kona AWD Turbo. In Canada .....I would never want to own a Hyundai unless they have years of "good engine designs" behind them. As Dris said .. Hyundai keeps putting their same badly designed engines back in under warranty, some have been back in for motor #THREE. Many people have been denied in Canada where if they were in the USA they would of been able to get a new warranty motor. Many Canada people had to pay $800 tare downs to inspect the motor for oil slugging. Where all they had to do was spend the $100 to pull the valve cover. The top of the cylinder head will give you 100% of the health of sludge story. Instead they screw the owners by full taking apart the engine and if the owner did not do frequent oil changes is out $800, not $100 that would of found the same answer. Hows that for efficiency with YOUR money.
So many people here don't know the seedy side of Hyundai's bad motor designs like Driz and I do. Just saying. Once you dig you find a scary world.
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My 13 Sonatas been fine, daughters 15 Elantra tossed its cookies at 46000 mi using all sunthetic oil and OEM filters. Hers is by far not the only one. The new engine sounded almost as loud as the dying one Take a look on the Hyundai forums and you'll see what I mean. There's a thread on there that's entirely about Canadians with dead Elantras. It's not so great for us in the US but it's a whole lot worse for Canadians due to your crap consumer protection laws. Hyundai seems to take full advantage of that. Consider also that many die at or around 90-120,000 which in most cases leaves you SOL. Just watching the posts go by it seems like those Elantras die at a very much higher rate . Why, who knows may be the colder climate.
When our adventure started out in 13 it was only Sonatas. They hid it then blamed it on new manufacturing process at the new Alabama plant. Fixed in April 2012. Then it kept happening and continued ever after.until today. Along the way Elantras with their smaller engine series started started knocking and dying . They fixed that 🤗with some new piston coating sometime in 2014. Guess what they continued dying and Hyundai is still shoving new engines in warranty cars as fast as they can get them now.
Here's the real rub with this Theta engine series issue. As far as anyone seems to be able to figure they never fixed the original problem and just keep pumping them out as before. Browse that forum and you'll see what I mean . I've been watching this mess unfold with no end in sight for 5 years so I'm telling you straight.
Oh consider also that in all likelihood you're gonna get a crap trade in when you sell eventually. . My daughter got offered the lofty sum of $5000 for a 3 year old car in April with a brand new engine towards an 18 Toyota RAV4. She lucked out and managed $7500 and was lucky to get that. I kept my time bomb because I'm good to 120,000 miles /10 years ( Sonata) due to a recall brought on by a fat class action law suit. No such luck for The Elantra AFAIK. If you do decide to go there be sure to save all your receipts and document your oil changes.............
Driz is 110% right, and I am one of those posters on the Hyundai forums who had a 2013 1.8 liter with 14,000 miles on it have "The Hyundai Tick of Death" Hyundai/but mainly the dealer rejected my tick 3 times , but I kept bring it in for the tick. They kept telling me it was normal. I owned a hobby Audi repair shop and did engine building for others when young ....so I know cars. The forth time I said .."here are the keys, I don't want it back until you fix it". Four hours later I received a call that I will be getting a new long block. I found out later some dealerships have hundreds of cars waiting for new motors, one had 200+ sitting in a warehouse and their other manufacture sister dealerships were putting new Hyundai motors back in at say "chevy" dealerships because they has so many dead Hyundais that the owners of multi branded dealerships had to use their other branded dealership just to not get months behind in motor installs.
This 1.8 has the VERY secret "warranty recall" so they don't get ANOTHER motor series on world wide recall. USA buyer have the Magnuson -Moss Warranty Act to protect them is some aspects of ownership. You Canada people can get TOTALLY screwed and with no protection, Hyundai can just say "you voided your warranty" and you are screwed.
Then to top it off my new motor was a slow pig of a motor even after 5,000 miles., and they told me nothing was wrong with it. I would just [censored] and moan on ow I hated this slow car to my wife every week. ( I waited till 5,000 miles to bring it in because I knew they would just say it is a new motor and not broken in yet). Here is something that will blow your mind as it did mine at the time. After all this I bought a new Hyundai and traded in my old Elantra GT.....................................I bought a 2018 Hyundai Kona AWD 1.6T. I did a ton of research and found out that motor was one of their best motors, and every check box was Xed on the Kona against all different brands.
Since I am here in the USA I have the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act so they would have a harder time denying warranty vs any other country. If I lived in Canada I would not have bought the Kona, just too much risk. As far as "America's best warranty" now bested by VW. You better bring in all your big guns because they will find a way to deny your simple warranty claim. You just have to be a fighter, have a copy of the Magnuson -Moss Warranty Act with you and have access to experts to back you up. So far I LOVE my Kona AWD Turbo. In Canada .....I would never want to own a Hyundai unless they have years of "good engine designs" behind them. As Dris said .. Hyundai keeps putting their same badly designed engines back in under warranty, some have been back in for motor #THREE. Many people have been denied in Canada where if they were in the USA they would of been able to get a new warranty motor. Many Canada people had to pay $800 tare downs to inspect the motor for oil slugging. Where all they had to do was spend the $100 to pull the valve cover. The top of the cylinder head will give you 100% of the health of sludge story. Instead they screw the owners by full taking apart the engine and if the owner did not do frequent oil changes is out $800, not $100 that would of found the same answer. Hows that for efficiency with YOUR money.
So many people here don't know the seedy side of Hyundai's bad motor designs like Driz and I do. Just saying. Once you dig you find a scary world.
.
Holy moly, driz and Mainia, interesting stories. You'd think Hyundai-Kia would fix these huge issues since they have to know it hurts sales.
I had once heard it was due to the Alabama plant not rinsing away machining particles, yet problems did continue (as driz mentioned above), and there is probably more to the bad quality story than just that. Here we are with the '19 models coming out, so has Hyundai-Kia learned or done anything? Not sure.
I had once heard it was due to the Alabama plant not rinsing away machining particles, yet problems did continue (as driz mentioned above), and there is probably more to the bad quality story than just that. Here we are with the '19 models coming out, so has Hyundai-Kia learned or done anything? Not sure.
Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
Holy moly, driz and Mainia, interesting stories. You'd think Hyundai-Kia would fix these huge issues since they have to know it hurts sales.
I had once heard it was due to the Alabama plant not rinsing away machining particles, yet problems did continue (as driz mentioned above), and there is probably more to the bad quality story than just that. Here we are with the '19 models coming out, so has Hyundai-Kia learned or done anything? Not sure.
Yet the keep climbing to the top in quality rankings. I think it's a case of you will always hear the bad and never hear all the good.
Holy moly, driz and Mainia, interesting stories. You'd think Hyundai-Kia would fix these huge issues since they have to know it hurts sales.
I had once heard it was due to the Alabama plant not rinsing away machining particles, yet problems did continue (as driz mentioned above), and there is probably more to the bad quality story than just that. Here we are with the '19 models coming out, so has Hyundai-Kia learned or done anything? Not sure.
Yet the keep climbing to the top in quality rankings. I think it's a case of you will always hear the bad and never hear all the good.
Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
Holy moly, driz and Mainia, interesting stories. You'd think Hyundai-Kia would fix these huge issues since they have to know it hurts sales.
I had once heard it was due to the Alabama plant not rinsing away machining particles, yet problems did continue (as driz mentioned above), and there is probably more to the bad quality story than just that. Here we are with the '19 models coming out, so has Hyundai-Kia learned or done anything? Not sure.
I 5000% agree, If you can't build a good motor, off shore it to Mahle of Germany and let them design it. The Korean way ......................"Put your head in the sand" and let your other companies that you just so happened to be run right will subsidized your failures. Millions and millions in engines and labor WITH NO END IN SIGHT.
They still to this day use higher oil pressure then most to hide design issues. Rumored to have thin rods so small end/piston pin and big end have boundary layer issues because of psi load. . Crank boundary layer issues. So NEVER use 5020 on any Hyundai I will only use 0w/5w-40. I have to use up some 5 -30 Amsoil so I go with 3 qts 0-40 and 1.5 qts 5-30. The 1.6T holds total 4.4 qts w/filter
https://www.mahle.com/en/products-and-services/services/engineering-services/
https://www.mahle.com/en/products-and-services/services/engine-testing/
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Holy moly, driz and Mainia, interesting stories. You'd think Hyundai-Kia would fix these huge issues since they have to know it hurts sales.
I had once heard it was due to the Alabama plant not rinsing away machining particles, yet problems did continue (as driz mentioned above), and there is probably more to the bad quality story than just that. Here we are with the '19 models coming out, so has Hyundai-Kia learned or done anything? Not sure.
I 5000% agree, If you can't build a good motor, off shore it to Mahle of Germany and let them design it. The Korean way ......................"Put your head in the sand" and let your other companies that you just so happened to be run right will subsidized your failures. Millions and millions in engines and labor WITH NO END IN SIGHT.
They still to this day use higher oil pressure then most to hide design issues. Rumored to have thin rods so small end/piston pin and big end have boundary layer issues because of psi load. . Crank boundary layer issues. So NEVER use 5020 on any Hyundai I will only use 0w/5w-40. I have to use up some 5 -30 Amsoil so I go with 3 qts 0-40 and 1.5 qts 5-30. The 1.6T holds total 4.4 qts w/filter
https://www.mahle.com/en/products-and-services/services/engineering-services/
https://www.mahle.com/en/products-and-services/services/engine-testing/
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Originally Posted by StevieC
Yet the keep climbing to the top in quality rankings. I think it's a case of you will always hear the bad and never hear all the good.
JD Power Dependability Ratings survey a lot of Hyundai-Kia engine owners. I do see the 2018 Survey (of 2015 models, since "Dependability" is defined as broken stuff in the first 3 years of a car's life) showing Hyundai-Kia does quite well. This is confusing. The '17 and '16 surveys show about average performance.
Wondering if, since they sell soooooo many of these, the % of those going belly-up isn't that high really.
Yet the keep climbing to the top in quality rankings. I think it's a case of you will always hear the bad and never hear all the good.
JD Power Dependability Ratings survey a lot of Hyundai-Kia engine owners. I do see the 2018 Survey (of 2015 models, since "Dependability" is defined as broken stuff in the first 3 years of a car's life) showing Hyundai-Kia does quite well. This is confusing. The '17 and '16 surveys show about average performance.
Wondering if, since they sell soooooo many of these, the % of those going belly-up isn't that high really.
If an Elantra can survive my sister for high miles and now she has had 3 of them, I would consider that the ultimate test of durability and quality. Seriously she should open a proving ground.
Oh and those stressing about 5K (8,000km) oil intervals on synthetic need to take a trip to see her in Dubai. 50c (122F) summers and running conventional oils past that OCI. No issues.
Oh and those stressing about 5K (8,000km) oil intervals on synthetic need to take a trip to see her in Dubai. 50c (122F) summers and running conventional oils past that OCI. No issues.
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Originally Posted by RTexasF
A friend of mine just had the 2.0T engine blow @ 36,000 miles. A new engine was installed under warranty. This one was a victim of the metal shavings left in the engine when manufactured. Oil changed at dealership every 5K.
Did they not perform the recall thats been out for ages?
A friend of mine just had the 2.0T engine blow @ 36,000 miles. A new engine was installed under warranty. This one was a victim of the metal shavings left in the engine when manufactured. Oil changed at dealership every 5K.
Did they not perform the recall thats been out for ages?
Originally Posted by DaRider34
Originally Posted by RTexasF
A friend of mine just had the 2.0T engine blow @ 36,000 miles. A new engine was installed under warranty. This one was a victim of the metal shavings left in the engine when manufactured. Oil changed at dealership every 5K.
Did they not perform the recall thats been out for ages?
Ironically the dealer said all was well when it was taken in for that. It cratered and left my friend stranded just a few weeks later.
Originally Posted by RTexasF
A friend of mine just had the 2.0T engine blow @ 36,000 miles. A new engine was installed under warranty. This one was a victim of the metal shavings left in the engine when manufactured. Oil changed at dealership every 5K.
Did they not perform the recall thats been out for ages?
Ironically the dealer said all was well when it was taken in for that. It cratered and left my friend stranded just a few weeks later.
Originally Posted by Mainia
Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
Holy moly, driz and Mainia, interesting stories. You'd think Hyundai-Kia would fix these huge issues since they have to know it hurts sales.
I had once heard it was due to the Alabama plant not rinsing away machining particles, yet problems did continue (as driz mentioned above), and there is probably more to the bad quality story than just that. Here we are with the '19 models coming out, so has Hyundai-Kia learned or done anything? Not sure.
I 5000% agree, If you can't build a good motor, off shore it to Mahle of Germany and let them design it. The Korean way ......................"Put your head in the sand" and let your other companies that you just so happened to be run right will subsidized your failures. Millions and millions in engines and labor WITH NO END IN SIGHT.
They still to this day use higher oil pressure then most to hide design issues. Rumored to have thin rods so small end/piston pin and big end have boundary layer issues because of psi load. . Crank boundary layer issues. So NEVER use 5020 on any Hyundai I will only use 0w/5w-40. I have to use up some 5 -30 Amsoil so I go with 3 qts 0-40 and 1.5 qts 5-30. The 1.6T holds total 4.4 qts w/filter
https://www.mahle.com/en/products-and-services/services/engineering-services/
https://www.mahle.com/en/products-and-services/services/engine-testing/
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126,000 miles on my 2011 Kia Sportage with 2.4 engine. I have used nothing but 5/w20 or 0w//20 oil since day one - it never uses a drop of oil at 7,500 mile oil change intervals.
By far the best vehicle that I have ever owned. To date, I have spent $80 on non-maintenance related repairs - two tire pressure monitors.
Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
Holy moly, driz and Mainia, interesting stories. You'd think Hyundai-Kia would fix these huge issues since they have to know it hurts sales.
I had once heard it was due to the Alabama plant not rinsing away machining particles, yet problems did continue (as driz mentioned above), and there is probably more to the bad quality story than just that. Here we are with the '19 models coming out, so has Hyundai-Kia learned or done anything? Not sure.
I 5000% agree, If you can't build a good motor, off shore it to Mahle of Germany and let them design it. The Korean way ......................"Put your head in the sand" and let your other companies that you just so happened to be run right will subsidized your failures. Millions and millions in engines and labor WITH NO END IN SIGHT.
They still to this day use higher oil pressure then most to hide design issues. Rumored to have thin rods so small end/piston pin and big end have boundary layer issues because of psi load. . Crank boundary layer issues. So NEVER use 5020 on any Hyundai I will only use 0w/5w-40. I have to use up some 5 -30 Amsoil so I go with 3 qts 0-40 and 1.5 qts 5-30. The 1.6T holds total 4.4 qts w/filter
https://www.mahle.com/en/products-and-services/services/engineering-services/
https://www.mahle.com/en/products-and-services/services/engine-testing/
.
126,000 miles on my 2011 Kia Sportage with 2.4 engine. I have used nothing but 5/w20 or 0w//20 oil since day one - it never uses a drop of oil at 7,500 mile oil change intervals.
By far the best vehicle that I have ever owned. To date, I have spent $80 on non-maintenance related repairs - two tire pressure monitors.
Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
Holy moly, driz and Mainia, interesting stories. You'd think Hyundai-Kia would fix these huge issues since they have to know it hurts sales.
I had once heard it was due to the Alabama plant not rinsing away machining particles, yet problems did continue (as driz mentioned above), and there is probably more to the bad quality story than just that. Here we are with the '19 models coming out, so has Hyundai-Kia learned or done anything? Not sure.
Yet the keep climbing to the top in quality rankings. I think it's a case of you will always hear the bad and never hear all the good.
I believe the new Hyundai-Kia motto is " It doesnt have to make sense"
[video:google]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tc...nt_share-video-embed_share-article_title[/video]
Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
Holy moly, driz and Mainia, interesting stories. You'd think Hyundai-Kia would fix these huge issues since they have to know it hurts sales.
I had once heard it was due to the Alabama plant not rinsing away machining particles, yet problems did continue (as driz mentioned above), and there is probably more to the bad quality story than just that. Here we are with the '19 models coming out, so has Hyundai-Kia learned or done anything? Not sure.
Yet the keep climbing to the top in quality rankings. I think it's a case of you will always hear the bad and never hear all the good.
I believe the new Hyundai-Kia motto is " It doesnt have to make sense"
[video:google]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tc...nt_share-video-embed_share-article_title[/video]
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