2013 Accord Sport 2.4 CVT

[SilverGGA]

According to the owner's manual, 15% is "change oil soon" and 5% is "change oil now". The owner's manual also says the factory fill is a special oil.

Change the factory fill at 5%. If you are concerned, do your 2nd change at 50% (without resetting the reminder) and your future changes at 15% or below.

I prefer PP 0w-20 because the PDS shows NOACK and it is low. But M1 AFE 0w-20 is a great oil and you are fine with either one.

 

[il_signore97]

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Honda didn't get to be a premier engine manufacturer giving their customers poor instructions regarding the care of the cars.



Oh, I didn't realize that Honda has become a premier engine manufacturer judging by the wonderfully engineered substandard head gaskets on the 1.7 L i-Vtec engines on the 01-05 Civic EX's... and we certainly know that they aren't a premier transmission manufacturer either

Suspension... I've replaced more bushings and ball joints on my fiance's 02 Civic than I ever have on all of the cars I've ever owned put together. And its now in need of a head gasket at a whopping 80,000 miles. Are those the same engineers that are telling you not to change your break-in oil? At least they've corrected the bad head gaskets by now...

Sorry for the smart Alec remarks... But in all honesty, whether or not you leave that break in oil in your engine isn't going to make the slightest difference at all. Go right ahead and change it early if it makes you feel better, and enjoy a long engine life. The extra Moly is probably from assembly lube, which every engine has in it after assembly. Also, we know that moly increases gas mileage. Hint hint...

 

[BurgerMcDo]

Yes, I called AHM. and that's what they said. It does not make any sense right.

 

[randomhero439]

Originally Posted By: il_signore97
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Honda didn't get to be a premier engine manufacturer giving their customers poor instructions regarding the care of the cars.



Oh, I didn't realize that Honda has become a premier engine manufacturer judging by the wonderfully engineered substandard head gaskets on the 1.7 L i-Vtec engines on the 01-05 Civic EX's... and we certainly know that they aren't a premier transmission manufacturer either

Suspension... I've replaced more bushings and ball joints on my fiance's 02 Civic than I ever have on all of the cars I've ever owned put together. And its now in need of a head gasket at a whopping 80,000 miles. Are those the same engineers that are telling you not to change your break-in oil? At least they've corrected the bad head gaskets by now...

Sorry for the smart Alec remarks... But in all honesty, whether or not you leave that break in oil in your engine isn't going to make the slightest difference at all. Go right ahead and change it early if it makes you feel better, and enjoy a long engine life. The extra Moly is probably from assembly lube, which every engine has in it after assembly. Also, we know that moly increases gas mileage. Hint hint...


Wow you discredit all Honda engines based on one engine issue? Sure some Honda's have problems, there not perfect. Honda engineering has created benchmarks in engine performance. The 1999 S2000 makes 120hp/L naturally aspirated with a warranty. Not to mention the abundance of 100+hp/L engines. Ferrari or Lamborghini didnt do that till around 2008. Talking about suspension, the NSX was out performing Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini when it was released in 1991. Double-wishbone suspension, Honda (except 01+ Civics

The only relevant point you make is that the 01-05 Civic is garbage, possibly the worst generation Civic Honda has made.

 

[il_signore97]

Originally Posted By: randomhero439



Wow you discredit all Honda engines based on one engine issue? Sure some Honda's have problems, there not perfect. Honda engineering has created benchmarks in engine performance. The 1999 S2000 makes 120hp/L naturally aspirated with a warranty. Not to mention the abundance of 100+hp/L engines. Ferrari or Lamborghini didnt do that till around 2008. Talking about suspension, the NSX was out performing Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini when it was released in 1991. Double-wishbone suspension, Honda (except 01+ Civics

The only relevant point you make is that the 01-05 Civic is garbage, possibly the worst generation Civic Honda has made.



No I think you mistook the point of my post. I can name a lot more common issues to Honda's various engine families, but then again, I can also do that for nearly every car manufacturer out there.

My point was that despite the best of intentions and engineering, bean counters and other influences often determine what a car actually ends up like. Thus, the part of the owners manual that says to leave the break in oil for the entire interval may not be due to a technical reason. Its likely marketing, or environmental, etc.

Go right ahead and drop the break in oil early. It will not harm a thing, and the car will likely die of something else.

 

[randomhero439]

Originally Posted By: il_signore97


Go right ahead and drop the break in oil early. It will not harm a thing, and the car will likely die of something else.


Agreed. 40% OLM for the FF and 2nd oil. The 2nd oil being OEM blend.

 

[Indydriver]

Originally Posted By: randomhero439
The 1999 S2000 makes 120hp/L naturally aspirated with a warranty. Not to mention the abundance of 100+hp/L engines. Ferrari or Lamborghini didnt do that till around 2008.

Your comment reminded me of the 30 year old Honda Interceptor sitting in my barn. IIRC, this was the first mass produced 100hp/L engine, making 75hp from 3/4 liter. It is also a unique and very compact water-cooled V4. I always thought this design was headed toward a small sports car but, apparently not. Anyway, when one contemplates Honda's engine making history with motorcycles, the kudos for their engine design history are well founded.

 

[wolfc70]

I would say you are fine. I changed mine at 40% (6800 miles)and have had no ill effects. I drive mine pretty hard, and oil consumption has been nil. Based on my MM, 15% would be around 10-11K miles. There was no way I going to run the FF that long. You also have the new DI version of the k24. I am assuming fuel dilution will be a issue. I do not know if Honda changed their MM to compensate for the new engine.

The Honda oils are decent, but based on a few UOA's here, 7500-8500 miles seems to be the limit for them. The USA built vehicles have the CoP Honda oil as fill, the Japanese built cars have the special 0w-10. Any additional moly is most likely from assembly lube.

With the known issues of a DI engine, I doubt the DI K series will be as easy on oil as the port injected ones. Until you get a UOA and see what the oil is doing, I would have a hard time running a super long OCI. Just food for thought.