I so wish they'd make a 2-door version of the 265 hp - v6 sport Fusion !!!
2010 Motor Trend Car of the Year.
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Originally Posted By: Johnny
You guys would argue over what shade of blue the sky is.
Isn't that what the internet is for?
My sky was gray today....
You guys would argue over what shade of blue the sky is.
Isn't that what the internet is for?
My sky was gray today....
My understanding is that the Mustang is lighter than the new Camaro and especially the Challenger. They are also available in V6 so you don't have to get a V8 if you don't want to. The older Fox body Mustang was lighter but didn't have as many features like ABS etc. And also wasn't nearly as solid and stiff as the new one.
They all use/share platforms from heavier cars for the pony cars, so yeah they are going to be a little heavier than need be. But you aren't paying for a purpose built and lightweight sports car chassis. If you want lighter you're going to have to pony up for a 'vette or something even much more expensive.
They all use/share platforms from heavier cars for the pony cars, so yeah they are going to be a little heavier than need be. But you aren't paying for a purpose built and lightweight sports car chassis. If you want lighter you're going to have to pony up for a 'vette or something even much more expensive.
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Yaris, performance.. Hah that's funny. But the point is ARCOgraphite, that some people want V8s. For the sound, and the torque. Oh, and the reliability. Consider that the Ford Crown Victorias all use V8s. The others, the Charger, the Impala, are all Naturally aspirated V6s or V8s. They could certainly keep the same chassis and then put in a small turbo four. But they don't. Why? Longevity. I doubt there is a turbo out there (with the possible exception of big industrial turbos for big trucks and busses etc) that would last much longer than 150,000 miles. And if you recall, the 4.6L in the vic will last well over 300,000 miles. Show me a turbo four that will do that.
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Yaris, performance.. Hah that's funny. But the point is ARCOgraphite, that some people want V8s. For the sound, and the torque. Oh, and the reliability. Consider that the Ford Crown Victorias all use V8s. The others, the Charger, the Impala, are all Naturally aspirated V6s or V8s. They could certainly keep the same chassis and then put in a small turbo four. But they don't. Why? Longevity. I doubt there is a turbo out there (with the possible exception of big industrial turbos for big trucks and busses etc) that would last much longer than 150,000 miles. And if you recall, the 4.6L in the vic will last well over 300,000 miles. Show me a turbo four that will do that.
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What would have you guys picked the Car of the Year to be?
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
I so wish they'd make a 2-door version of the 265 hp - v6 sport Fusion !!!
Chevy needs to do the same thing with the Malibu. Why don't they get a 2-door 4 and 6 cylinder version out already?
I guess the group of people who want a 2-door "personal" car is not so important for car makers anymore...4-dr sport sedan is the thing...
Mazda, Subaru, Acura and Lexus for ex. don't have any true 2-door coupes anymore... I was VERY sad when Lexus stopped making the 1991-2001 generation of SC400/SC300 - it was a great looking car with great engines..and also the Acura Legend...both those were way ahead of their time..
Thankfully there's still the BMW 2-door coupes (used 3-series coupes are kinda affordable still...)
Fusion, Malibu, Mazda 6, Legacy GT could make some really nice 2-dr coupes...
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
I so wish they'd make a 2-door version of the 265 hp - v6 sport Fusion !!!
Chevy needs to do the same thing with the Malibu. Why don't they get a 2-door 4 and 6 cylinder version out already?
I guess the group of people who want a 2-door "personal" car is not so important for car makers anymore...4-dr sport sedan is the thing...
Mazda, Subaru, Acura and Lexus for ex. don't have any true 2-door coupes anymore... I was VERY sad when Lexus stopped making the 1991-2001 generation of SC400/SC300 - it was a great looking car with great engines..and also the Acura Legend...both those were way ahead of their time..
Thankfully there's still the BMW 2-door coupes (used 3-series coupes are kinda affordable still...)
Fusion, Malibu, Mazda 6, Legacy GT could make some really nice 2-dr coupes...
Originally Posted By: Liquid_Turbo
What would have you guys picked the Car of the Year to be?
I really would have picked the Fusion - in fact, I have been telling my wife how much I like the Fusion the last 2-3 months...esp the sport version, and she was surprised as I normally don't like 4-dr cars...
What would have you guys picked the Car of the Year to be?
I really would have picked the Fusion - in fact, I have been telling my wife how much I like the Fusion the last 2-3 months...esp the sport version, and she was surprised as I normally don't like 4-dr cars...
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
I so wish they'd make a 2-door version of the 265 hp - v6 sport Fusion !!!
Chevy needs to do the same thing with the Malibu. Why don't they get a 2-door 4 and 6 cylinder version out already?
I guess the group of people who want a 2-door "personal" car is not so important for car makers anymore...4-dr sport sedan is the thing...
Mazda, Subaru, Acura and Lexus for ex. don't have any true 2-door coupes anymore... I was VERY sad when Lexus stopped making the 1991-2001 generation of SC400/SC300 - it was a great looking car with great engines..and also the Acura Legend...both those were way ahead of their time..
Thankfully there's still the BMW 2-door coupes (used 3-series coupes are kinda affordable still...)
Fusion, Malibu, Mazda 6, Legacy GT could make some really nice 2-dr coupes...
I know some people who will not buy a 4-dr period. That means if they are shopping in the Fusion and Malibu's class they must get an Accord or Toyota Solara (if Toyota's still making the 2-door). There is a shortage of 2-door makes/models and there's definitely room for more and it makes no sense to not offer something to compete with the 2-dr Accord, the main competitor. I also think that even if there isn't a huge market for 2-door Fusions and Malibus, having a 2-door would just give the models a sportier image-instead of just seeming like a model for soccer moms-and maybe even increase sales of the 4-doors to buyers who don't necessarily want a 2-door but don't want a car totally catering to "soccer moms" if that makes sense.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
I so wish they'd make a 2-door version of the 265 hp - v6 sport Fusion !!!
Chevy needs to do the same thing with the Malibu. Why don't they get a 2-door 4 and 6 cylinder version out already?
I guess the group of people who want a 2-door "personal" car is not so important for car makers anymore...4-dr sport sedan is the thing...
Mazda, Subaru, Acura and Lexus for ex. don't have any true 2-door coupes anymore... I was VERY sad when Lexus stopped making the 1991-2001 generation of SC400/SC300 - it was a great looking car with great engines..and also the Acura Legend...both those were way ahead of their time..
Thankfully there's still the BMW 2-door coupes (used 3-series coupes are kinda affordable still...)
Fusion, Malibu, Mazda 6, Legacy GT could make some really nice 2-dr coupes...
I know some people who will not buy a 4-dr period. That means if they are shopping in the Fusion and Malibu's class they must get an Accord or Toyota Solara (if Toyota's still making the 2-door). There is a shortage of 2-door makes/models and there's definitely room for more and it makes no sense to not offer something to compete with the 2-dr Accord, the main competitor. I also think that even if there isn't a huge market for 2-door Fusions and Malibus, having a 2-door would just give the models a sportier image-instead of just seeming like a model for soccer moms-and maybe even increase sales of the 4-doors to buyers who don't necessarily want a 2-door but don't want a car totally catering to "soccer moms" if that makes sense.
Originally Posted By: Liquid_Turbo
What would have you guys picked the Car of the Year to be?
I would've probably picked the Fusion. It's been a long time since I've read Motor Trend and the other car mags, so correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't MT have Car of the year and Import Car of year? I'd probably still pick the Fusion over the Imports, but if the award didn't include imports what other domestic could you pick? Also I heard Fusions have a good reliability record. I'm not really even a Ford guy and I'm saying that. There was a time when I thought Ford was making the cheapest, junkiest cars-80's Escort, Tempo etc, but not anymore.
What would have you guys picked the Car of the Year to be?
I would've probably picked the Fusion. It's been a long time since I've read Motor Trend and the other car mags, so correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't MT have Car of the year and Import Car of year? I'd probably still pick the Fusion over the Imports, but if the award didn't include imports what other domestic could you pick? Also I heard Fusions have a good reliability record. I'm not really even a Ford guy and I'm saying that. There was a time when I thought Ford was making the cheapest, junkiest cars-80's Escort, Tempo etc, but not anymore.
OMG! Tempo/Topaz. Had one, bad memories for sure.
Frankly I don't pay any attention to M/T any more. Their COY is absolutely meaningless.
Frankly I don't pay any attention to M/T any more. Their COY is absolutely meaningless.
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Originally Posted By: ls1mike
I think he failed to mention just how well the current generation Pony car stop and turn as well.
But hey he is rolling a Yaris, the ruler of performance...
And he's blown up more cars in the last few years than anybody I've ever met.
Well Im older now and have owned all the car you might want to: Five v8 mustangs of various years, lincoln 94 mark viii, 1969 Fairlane fastback 428 Cobra Jet, 67 396 chevelle, 327 V8 Vega. The yaris is plesant to drive - though I am killing the transaxle practicing my reaction time at every highway stoplight.
_No, I am not a mustang groupie. I liked the early capri mainly for the t-10 trans which is MUCH stronger than the t-5 and the carbureted engine was very easy to mod and work on without spending $$$$$$ for electronic FI junk. The rear suspension had slapper bars that you could take shims out of and get the rear tire loading just right. OTW you had excessive rear axle tramp. Why they put fancy tires on this thing I'll never know. I had one of the first Bullitts to0 (01?). Aluminum intake and frame connectors and wierd ECM programming that wouldnt let the car unleash on the highway - only on a 1-2-3 stoplight/drag run. As any old hot rodder, I could go on and on. But I'll spare you all the torture
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
I think he failed to mention just how well the current generation Pony car stop and turn as well.
But hey he is rolling a Yaris, the ruler of performance...
And he's blown up more cars in the last few years than anybody I've ever met.
Well Im older now and have owned all the car you might want to: Five v8 mustangs of various years, lincoln 94 mark viii, 1969 Fairlane fastback 428 Cobra Jet, 67 396 chevelle, 327 V8 Vega. The yaris is plesant to drive - though I am killing the transaxle practicing my reaction time at every highway stoplight.
_No, I am not a mustang groupie. I liked the early capri mainly for the t-10 trans which is MUCH stronger than the t-5 and the carbureted engine was very easy to mod and work on without spending $$$$$$ for electronic FI junk. The rear suspension had slapper bars that you could take shims out of and get the rear tire loading just right. OTW you had excessive rear axle tramp. Why they put fancy tires on this thing I'll never know. I had one of the first Bullitts to0 (01?). Aluminum intake and frame connectors and wierd ECM programming that wouldnt let the car unleash on the highway - only on a 1-2-3 stoplight/drag run. As any old hot rodder, I could go on and on. But I'll spare you all the torture
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
I think that works both ways. Motor Trend tends to be fairer to domestics while not critical of imports, whereas Car and Driver seemed to be biased in favor of Imports. I'm talking ridiculously biased almost to the level of propaganda. Who was more likely to be paying off or to own stock in the company that could be worth something and grow in value? I'd say the upstart Imports were more likely paying off.
Originally Posted By: benjamming
What way are you talking about? Your post makes no sense when quoted with mine. I think that about MT every year they release their trophy car. I thought that when the Mercedes M Class won it as well. I was even working in a Tier 1 supplier assembly plant on that car then!
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
I couldn't have been clearer and it makes perfect sense to me. You were suggested that MT's award is bogus because of kickbacks, and I said nothing smelled more bogus and like kickbacks then how Car and Driver praised every foreign car it tested while bashing domestics ridiculously.
Originally Posted By: benjamming
You were saying that MT is more fair to domestics while not being critical of imports. You then started talking about C&D. I never brought up domestics nor imports. Anyway...
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
What is so hard to understand lol? You criticised Motor Trend, a automotive magazine, as being biased or getting kickbacks (the highest kickback from Ford presumably) and the Ford Fusion, a domestic, as not being worthy of the award, so naturally I'm going to contrast what you said about MT and Ford to other car magazines and Imports.
That isn't what I was saying at all. I was saying MT gets kickbacks from everyone every year. I never mentioned biased. That is why I said your post had nothing in common with mine - you added the term biased. MT gives this award to a different mfg about every year. It goes to the highest bidder of that year. So, true I believe that Ford gave the highest kickback this year but new bids will be issued next year.
BTW, the Fusion is not a domestic. It is made in Mexico, a foreign country for the time being.
I also specifically added the clarification that my comments were in no way a reflection upon the Fusion, but solely MT. So, I said nothing about Ford.
I think that works both ways. Motor Trend tends to be fairer to domestics while not critical of imports, whereas Car and Driver seemed to be biased in favor of Imports. I'm talking ridiculously biased almost to the level of propaganda. Who was more likely to be paying off or to own stock in the company that could be worth something and grow in value? I'd say the upstart Imports were more likely paying off.
Originally Posted By: benjamming
What way are you talking about? Your post makes no sense when quoted with mine. I think that about MT every year they release their trophy car. I thought that when the Mercedes M Class won it as well. I was even working in a Tier 1 supplier assembly plant on that car then!
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
I couldn't have been clearer and it makes perfect sense to me. You were suggested that MT's award is bogus because of kickbacks, and I said nothing smelled more bogus and like kickbacks then how Car and Driver praised every foreign car it tested while bashing domestics ridiculously.
Originally Posted By: benjamming
You were saying that MT is more fair to domestics while not being critical of imports. You then started talking about C&D. I never brought up domestics nor imports. Anyway...
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
What is so hard to understand lol? You criticised Motor Trend, a automotive magazine, as being biased or getting kickbacks (the highest kickback from Ford presumably) and the Ford Fusion, a domestic, as not being worthy of the award, so naturally I'm going to contrast what you said about MT and Ford to other car magazines and Imports.
That isn't what I was saying at all. I was saying MT gets kickbacks from everyone every year. I never mentioned biased. That is why I said your post had nothing in common with mine - you added the term biased. MT gives this award to a different mfg about every year. It goes to the highest bidder of that year. So, true I believe that Ford gave the highest kickback this year but new bids will be issued next year.
BTW, the Fusion is not a domestic. It is made in Mexico, a foreign country for the time being.
I also specifically added the clarification that my comments were in no way a reflection upon the Fusion, but solely MT. So, I said nothing about Ford.
10 years ago it was a vastly under reported story that most of the CD staff was on the Japanese payrolls as ''consultants''.
Can you imagine the play on CNN if it had been GM?
Can you imagine the play on CNN if it had been GM?
Originally Posted By: Liquid_Turbo
What would have you guys picked the Car of the Year to be?
I would have picked the Fusion also...Its the best car in its class...A friend had a rental and we took it on a 200 mile round trip and it was much nicer then I ever imagined...I would have also considered the Mustang,Edge,Expedition,Escape,Explorer and all the Panthers even though the Panthers are all fleet only now.
What would have you guys picked the Car of the Year to be?
I would have picked the Fusion also...Its the best car in its class...A friend had a rental and we took it on a 200 mile round trip and it was much nicer then I ever imagined...I would have also considered the Mustang,Edge,Expedition,Escape,Explorer and all the Panthers even though the Panthers are all fleet only now.
You can still buy Merc GM new.
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
You can still buy Merc GM new.
The 2010 are fleet only as I recall...I guess there plenty of 09's around...More so down here in the Lauderdale-Miami area.
I should have added the Ford Taurus to the Motor Trend car of the year...It looks awesome with a ton of improvements for 2010.
You can still buy Merc GM new.
The 2010 are fleet only as I recall...I guess there plenty of 09's around...More so down here in the Lauderdale-Miami area.
I should have added the Ford Taurus to the Motor Trend car of the year...It looks awesome with a ton of improvements for 2010.
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