'11 ranger 2.3L calls for 5w-20, shop installed
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Originally Posted By: Hootbro
Unless someone else can point to it, I have yet to see a grenade engine from using 5w30 when 5W-20 was the factory spec.
Thats fine. But I not talking about that. the other person seems to think I cant tell a difference going from 5w30 to 5W-20. And I most certainly can feel a difference. Not everything is a placebo affect.
Unless someone else can point to it, I have yet to see a grenade engine from using 5w30 when 5W-20 was the factory spec.
Thats fine. But I not talking about that. the other person seems to think I cant tell a difference going from 5w30 to 5W-20. And I most certainly can feel a difference. Not everything is a placebo affect.
I can attest to the "butt dyno" difference between 20wt and 30wt oil. Recently, I changed oil in my Civic to a 5w30 for the summer. Low end torque is reduced a little but no other performance seems to have been affected. The shift points are also a bit off from using a 20wt oil. The engine does run quieter and seems to be smoother overall. I kinda like the feel I get from 30wt oil in the Civic.
Gas mileage took a huge hit though. It is now averaging 35.862, compared to my normal average of 36.321.
Gas mileage took a huge hit though. It is now averaging 35.862, compared to my normal average of 36.321.
Originally Posted By: lexus114
Thats fine. But I not talking about that. the other person seems to think I cant tell a difference going from 5w30 to 5W-20. And I most certainly can feel a difference. Not everything is a placebo affect.
I am not talking to you but to the OP. Had I want to comment on you, I would have quoted you.
Thats fine. But I not talking about that. the other person seems to think I cant tell a difference going from 5w30 to 5W-20. And I most certainly can feel a difference. Not everything is a placebo affect.
I am not talking to you but to the OP. Had I want to comment on you, I would have quoted you.
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Originally Posted By: Hootbro
Originally Posted By: lexus114
Thats fine. But I not talking about that. the other person seems to think I cant tell a difference going from 5w30 to 5W-20. And I most certainly can feel a difference. Not everything is a placebo affect.
I am not talking to you but to the OP. Had I want to comment on you, I would have quoted you.
It say`s re; lexus114 at the top of your post. Sorry about that. My bad as they say.
Originally Posted By: lexus114
Thats fine. But I not talking about that. the other person seems to think I cant tell a difference going from 5w30 to 5W-20. And I most certainly can feel a difference. Not everything is a placebo affect.
I am not talking to you but to the OP. Had I want to comment on you, I would have quoted you.
It say`s re; lexus114 at the top of your post. Sorry about that. My bad as they say.
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Originally Posted By: yonyon
If you know of a Firestone that is putting 5w30 in everything it's time to make a phonecall. They have hard policy against that and a single phone call should be enough to put a stop to it. If that doesn't work and you can prove it then a second phonecall should be enough (in the case of a corporate store) to get the store manager fired or (in the case of a franchise) to get the shop disenfranchised. If they're still putting 5w30 in everything, well, don't go there for an oil change unless you want 5w30.
Let's just say that an individual who works at one told me they were told that their 5w30 is "sufficient" for most applications.
I think you and I both know he isn't going to be destroying any engines with that, but it's still wrong. If it's a privately owned shop and you personally know the owner it's understandable you might have to ignore his little cheat. If it's a corporate owned store or it's privately owned but you don't have any strong connection, why not take a few minutes to talk to whoever runs the show about integrity? Even if the way things are done don't change right away you might be planting a seed, so to speak.
Originally Posted By: yonyon
If you know of a Firestone that is putting 5w30 in everything it's time to make a phonecall. They have hard policy against that and a single phone call should be enough to put a stop to it. If that doesn't work and you can prove it then a second phonecall should be enough (in the case of a corporate store) to get the store manager fired or (in the case of a franchise) to get the shop disenfranchised. If they're still putting 5w30 in everything, well, don't go there for an oil change unless you want 5w30.
Let's just say that an individual who works at one told me they were told that their 5w30 is "sufficient" for most applications.
I think you and I both know he isn't going to be destroying any engines with that, but it's still wrong. If it's a privately owned shop and you personally know the owner it's understandable you might have to ignore his little cheat. If it's a corporate owned store or it's privately owned but you don't have any strong connection, why not take a few minutes to talk to whoever runs the show about integrity? Even if the way things are done don't change right away you might be planting a seed, so to speak.
With small engines, a viscosity change can be perceived more readily in the derrier.
I used 30 wt oils all the time in my 2.3 duratec ranger. Never noticed much difference. In fact I posted a UOA on 30 wt oil with excellent wear results in 07.
At my last OC, the local garage I took it to used VWB 5w30 in my Tribute, even though right on the oil cap it clearly calls for 5W-20.
Doesn't bother me, it's just interesting. When I worked at a WM TLE, they were totally ANAL about putting the correct grade of oil in a car - if you got it wrong, the car came right back in and got drained and re-filled.
Doesn't bother me, it's just interesting. When I worked at a WM TLE, they were totally ANAL about putting the correct grade of oil in a car - if you got it wrong, the car came right back in and got drained and re-filled.
Originally Posted By: LckydevL
I can attest to the "butt dyno" difference between 20wt and 30wt oil. Recently, I changed oil in my Civic to a 5w30 for the summer. Low end torque is reduced a little but no other performance seems to have been affected. The shift points are also a bit off from using a 20wt oil. The engine does run quieter and seems to be smoother overall. I kinda like the feel I get from 30wt oil in the Civic.
Gas mileage took a huge hit though. It is now averaging 35.862, compared to my normal average of 36.321.
I wouldn't consider 35.862 versus 36.321 to be a "huge hit." Companies moved from 5w30 to 20 to get the absolute peak gas mileage (which most of the time equates to roughly .5 mpg.) In the grand scheme of things I wouldn't be worried. Good quality motor oil and general maintenance will keep the truck running for a long time.
I can attest to the "butt dyno" difference between 20wt and 30wt oil. Recently, I changed oil in my Civic to a 5w30 for the summer. Low end torque is reduced a little but no other performance seems to have been affected. The shift points are also a bit off from using a 20wt oil. The engine does run quieter and seems to be smoother overall. I kinda like the feel I get from 30wt oil in the Civic.
Gas mileage took a huge hit though. It is now averaging 35.862, compared to my normal average of 36.321.
I wouldn't consider 35.862 versus 36.321 to be a "huge hit." Companies moved from 5w30 to 20 to get the absolute peak gas mileage (which most of the time equates to roughly .5 mpg.) In the grand scheme of things I wouldn't be worried. Good quality motor oil and general maintenance will keep the truck running for a long time.
Originally Posted By: Ramblin Fever
Shop manager said the engine calls for either viscosity and they prefer 5w30 for summer use?
I always thought that the thicker the oil the higher the oil temp, so why run thicker oil in the summer when it's already hotter out?
Shop manager said the engine calls for either viscosity and they prefer 5w30 for summer use?
I always thought that the thicker the oil the higher the oil temp, so why run thicker oil in the summer when it's already hotter out?
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