2008 Accord, 4 cyl, grandmothers car. has about 70k miles. she puts about 15k miles a year. she used to get her oil changed by the guy with the local tire shop, sadly he passed away a few months back. I'll be doing her maintenance now. what sounds like a better combo, PYB 5W20 and a P1 filter for 3500-4k miles, or Mobil 1 5W20 and a Purolator synthetic filter for 5k miles? was also thinking of a Napa gold but ive heard the filter media is small in those filters,should there be any concern using a NG?
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Originally Posted By: boosted
No no^… you got it right op. 4k on the pyb and p1 is spot on. Extended oci's on Dino not smart, I don't care what the tbn shows in a uoa, other factors come into play besides how good the tbn looks after 4k.
Those narrow OCI's are just a waste of money, the k24 engine is so easy on oil, go at least 5k on the PYB or 8k on the M1 like addy said.
I wouldn't bother with the Pure synthetic, stick with the classic or pureone they will do just fine.
No no^… you got it right op. 4k on the pyb and p1 is spot on. Extended oci's on Dino not smart, I don't care what the tbn shows in a uoa, other factors come into play besides how good the tbn looks after 4k.
Those narrow OCI's are just a waste of money, the k24 engine is so easy on oil, go at least 5k on the PYB or 8k on the M1 like addy said.
I wouldn't bother with the Pure synthetic, stick with the classic or pureone they will do just fine.
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Originally Posted By: boosted
No no^… you got it right op. 4k on the pyb and p1 is spot on. Extended oci's on Dino not smart, I don't care what the tbn shows in a uoa, other factors come into play besides how good the tbn looks after 4k.
Your post means nothing if you can not back up your claims with comprehensive data and sorry the overwhelming majority of the time the manufacture has the correct OCI outlined in the owners manual.
No no^… you got it right op. 4k on the pyb and p1 is spot on. Extended oci's on Dino not smart, I don't care what the tbn shows in a uoa, other factors come into play besides how good the tbn looks after 4k.
Your post means nothing if you can not back up your claims with comprehensive data and sorry the overwhelming majority of the time the manufacture has the correct OCI outlined in the owners manual.
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Originally Posted By: boosted
I can back up my claims, come to work with me and change oil on 50+ cars a day and then lets talk about those super extended oci's.
What are we going to see, black oil?? That must mean that the oil is used up and needs to be disposed of by your philosophy right?
I can back up my claims, come to work with me and change oil on 50+ cars a day and then lets talk about those super extended oci's.
What are we going to see, black oil?? That must mean that the oil is used up and needs to be disposed of by your philosophy right?
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I do not have to come with you. I have a "fleet" of vehicles that I already maintain. So with me knowing the maintenance history, oil type, and the most important factor vehicle condition. So with the proper data I can accurately determine what a correct OCI would be. I just normally follow the "normal" service schedule in the owners manual and with analyst and know there is still margin of error for the vehicles that I do maintain. But there is a 04 Dodge Ram 2500 HEMI that only gets the oil changed every 6 months regardless of miles and its duty is drive on dusty service roads and drive in cotton fields and the mileage will be at 300K soon. It depends more on engine condition on engine design not oil choice.
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Originally Posted By: boosted
Like I said change oil on 50+ cars a day on various types of engines and then your post will have some meaning. Otherwise just jiberish coming from unprofessionals.
I like how you are talking down to us even though the "professional" is the one that needs to relearn a thing or two...
Just because you work somewhere where you service mistreated cars that were ran far too long on cheap bulk 5w30 and Chinese brand less filters doesn't mean we all do the same.
Go to the UOA section, there aren't many reports of dino being ran under 5k and rarely do you see the oil being at the end of its life span, many are recommended to run longer.
Please keep the cookie cutter 3k or 3 month regiment to yourself
I hope you read some archived discussion threads around here and see the errors you have made, but more importantly learn something.
Like I said change oil on 50+ cars a day on various types of engines and then your post will have some meaning. Otherwise just jiberish coming from unprofessionals.
I like how you are talking down to us even though the "professional" is the one that needs to relearn a thing or two...
Just because you work somewhere where you service mistreated cars that were ran far too long on cheap bulk 5w30 and Chinese brand less filters doesn't mean we all do the same.
Go to the UOA section, there aren't many reports of dino being ran under 5k and rarely do you see the oil being at the end of its life span, many are recommended to run longer.
Please keep the cookie cutter 3k or 3 month regiment to yourself
I hope you read some archived discussion threads around here and see the errors you have made, but more importantly learn something.
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^ oh boy! I feel sorry for your vehicles! I'm done arguing though, feel free to mistreat your vehicles but don't tell others to do the same. Maybe go look at some of those 5K oci's your talking about and look closely this time, I'm not talking down to you just sharing my experiences and training, I'm not a believer like you if you haven't noticed, like i said do a variety of cars not just your tiny fleet then make educated decisions please.
Mistreating vehicles that is funny vehicles are not children or pets. Somewhat following your manufacturers owners manual is not abusive treatment, I am sorry. I can cite many more times that the engine design or the the engine itself is the cause of failure not lack maintenance of the owner. Yeah my mini fleet of a 12 vehicles that I maintain from "cradle to grave" not just do a few quick lube oil changes. But my mind is not closed I learn a lot from time to time from members on here. Please enlighten me with some facts please, I am open to listen.
Originally Posted By: boosted
I can back up my claims, come to work with me and change oil on 50+ cars a day
It was 40 in the last thread. Did you decide you needed a little more "expertise"?
OP, based on the equipment and mileage YOU have chosen, I'd go with PYB for sure. It is excellent oil and this engine is pretty easy on oil.
I can back up my claims, come to work with me and change oil on 50+ cars a day
It was 40 in the last thread. Did you decide you needed a little more "expertise"?
OP, based on the equipment and mileage YOU have chosen, I'd go with PYB for sure. It is excellent oil and this engine is pretty easy on oil.
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Originally Posted By: boosted
No no^… you got it right op. 4k on the pyb and p1 is spot on.
+1 Gives the OP some cushion to get over to your grandmothers since sometimes life gets in the way of things these days. I'd probably be confident out to 5k with this combo but knowing the driving style of the vehicle will help others giving their recommendations.
No no^… you got it right op. 4k on the pyb and p1 is spot on.
+1 Gives the OP some cushion to get over to your grandmothers since sometimes life gets in the way of things these days. I'd probably be confident out to 5k with this combo but knowing the driving style of the vehicle will help others giving their recommendations.
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I can back up my claims, come to work with me and change oil on 50+ cars a day and then lets talk about those super extended oci's. I do agree follow the owners manual recommended oci if using a quality synthetic and filter...
Don't get into an argument with an internet expert. Their theories will somehow over ride real life experience.
I can back up my claims, come to work with me and change oil on 50+ cars a day and then lets talk about those super extended oci's. I do agree follow the owners manual recommended oci if using a quality synthetic and filter...
Don't get into an argument with an internet expert. Their theories will somehow over ride real life experience.
mobilaltima, I'm not an expert, but I have owned more than my fair share of Hondas/Acuras. As a youngster I changed oil frequently. As motor oil got better, I extended my OCIs. IMHO, you can run any name-brand conventional motor oil in your grandmother's Honda for 5k miles. If you feel compelled to run a synthetic, either PP or M1 will easily go 7.5k miles; 10k if you're lazy. And for the same reason -- i.e., it a Honda -- either of the filters you're considering (P1; NG) is excellent. The engine will fall out before it wears out.
op:If the car is in the south, either combo should yield good results. If it were my decision, I'd go with the synthetic.
Here in the Midwest, following a mileage-based OCI isn't a great way to take care of your engine. In warmer climates, mileage-based works better.
If its your goal to get every fraction of use out of the oil, go for the extended OCI. If it's your goal to take care of your car with a safety margin built in, go for shorter. It's not that much different financially, especially considering the overall costs of owning an automobile.
Here in the Midwest, following a mileage-based OCI isn't a great way to take care of your engine. In warmer climates, mileage-based works better.
If its your goal to get every fraction of use out of the oil, go for the extended OCI. If it's your goal to take care of your car with a safety margin built in, go for shorter. It's not that much different financially, especially considering the overall costs of owning an automobile.
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