Is Toyota going to buy Mazda
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The higher the volume a car maker is, the harder it is to be stylish. After all, at some point there are so many Camrys and Corollas on the road and we see them so much, they begin to look bland. GM had a similar issue when they we king of the road. I agree TM could use a bit more style, but I have a feeling, after seeing them EVERYWHERE, they too would seem bland.
BTW, look at the 2014 Malibu.....looks like a 2014 Accord without the sexy curves and over-sized brake lights...
BTW, look at the 2014 Malibu.....looks like a 2014 Accord without the sexy curves and over-sized brake lights...
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Originally Posted By: Trav
A decent looking car for one thing. Toyota cars have as much personality as a washing machine.
Jags are beautiful, I'd never own one.
A decent looking car for one thing. Toyota cars have as much personality as a washing machine.
Jags are beautiful, I'd never own one.
Originally Posted By: philipp10
The higher the volume a car maker is, the harder it is to be stylish. After all, at some point there are so many Camrys and Corollas on the road and we see them so much, they begin to look bland. GM had a similar issue when they we king of the road. I agree TM could use a bit more style, but I have a feeling, after seeing them EVERYWHERE, they too would seem bland.
BTW, look at the 2014 Malibu.....looks like a 2014 Accord without the sexy curves and over-sized brake lights...
+1. Hiring morwe stylisats is cheaper than buying a car company. BTW, other than the Miata, I am not impressed with Mazda style.
The higher the volume a car maker is, the harder it is to be stylish. After all, at some point there are so many Camrys and Corollas on the road and we see them so much, they begin to look bland. GM had a similar issue when they we king of the road. I agree TM could use a bit more style, but I have a feeling, after seeing them EVERYWHERE, they too would seem bland.
BTW, look at the 2014 Malibu.....looks like a 2014 Accord without the sexy curves and over-sized brake lights...
+1. Hiring morwe stylisats is cheaper than buying a car company. BTW, other than the Miata, I am not impressed with Mazda style.
Originally Posted By: Ethan1
Mazda's "styling" makes my eyes hurt. If that's all they have to offer over Toyota, Mazda is S.O.L.
HA! I was kind of thinking the same thing...If Toyotas look bland and boring, Mazda looks like Charlie Sheen after a weekend bender. The Mazda 3 is hideous IMO. Actually, it looks like Toyota is going with that sort of styling on the Corolla now. They both look like crud. IMHO
Mazda's "styling" makes my eyes hurt. If that's all they have to offer over Toyota, Mazda is S.O.L.
HA! I was kind of thinking the same thing...If Toyotas look bland and boring, Mazda looks like Charlie Sheen after a weekend bender. The Mazda 3 is hideous IMO. Actually, it looks like Toyota is going with that sort of styling on the Corolla now. They both look like crud. IMHO
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Originally Posted By: oilmaven
Mazda is at the top of their game with their new models which have been well-received by the press and owners alike. Although sales of their new products have been strong, they are probably not big enough to survive on their own for the long haul (competing in the current market requires that new models and technologies be in development constantly...takes big bucks to keep that up...the alternative is continuing to produce models that are eventually eclipsed by competitors...look at Mitsubishi if you're looking for an example). It's been predicted for some time that they would eventually be forced to either partner with one of the large auto companies or be purchased outright.
How about Mazda combining with Mitsubishi to thrive? They could buy Mitsu outright, change the badges on all current Mitsu cars, and share engineering/production in the future.
oilmaven, you're my hero, you've got a Kizashi! I drove one around a few years ago and loved it, AWD, etc., its gone now of course. Yet, I think the Kizashi shared its chassis with some Buicks anyway.
Mazda is at the top of their game with their new models which have been well-received by the press and owners alike. Although sales of their new products have been strong, they are probably not big enough to survive on their own for the long haul (competing in the current market requires that new models and technologies be in development constantly...takes big bucks to keep that up...the alternative is continuing to produce models that are eventually eclipsed by competitors...look at Mitsubishi if you're looking for an example). It's been predicted for some time that they would eventually be forced to either partner with one of the large auto companies or be purchased outright.
How about Mazda combining with Mitsubishi to thrive? They could buy Mitsu outright, change the badges on all current Mitsu cars, and share engineering/production in the future.
oilmaven, you're my hero, you've got a Kizashi! I drove one around a few years ago and loved it, AWD, etc., its gone now of course. Yet, I think the Kizashi shared its chassis with some Buicks anyway.
I agree they may not be the best looking but they sure do a great job of being cheap to maintain and reliable. So I agree with Trav there, however I dont think its fair to say that because I buy a Toyota it makes me less of a car guy than someone who buys a BMW or Mercedes.Sure I'd love to buy a great looking car but at the end of the day I need to consider more than just looks. I know a few people who bought for looks and now regret it due to maintenance costs etc. I dont have tons of cash lying around to fix a great looking car, so i need to make a smart decision with my money. Personally I dont find any car is that great looking unless I wana go well past 50k for a ride. We all would love to have ferraris, and lambos, but they arent affordable or logical, so if it makes me less of a car guy for thinking with my hard earned cash, than so be it.
OP, I doubt Mazda would join with Toyota, i doubt Toyota would want to invest in them.
OP, I doubt Mazda would join with Toyota, i doubt Toyota would want to invest in them.
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Toyota has been investing in Subaru....BTW Subaru has also been assembling Toyota Camry's in Subaru's plant in Indiana since 2007..but will stop the end of 2016 as Toyota's Kentucky plant takes over.
Mazda taking on Mitsubishi?
Isn't that a bit like having Italy on your side when the next war breaks out?
Isn't that a bit like having Italy on your side when the next war breaks out?
If Toyota wants to buy another company then Honda is probably a better buy than Mazda. But how much is Honda worth ?
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: dlayman
Originally Posted By: Trav
A decent looking car for one thing. Toyota cars have as much personality as a washing machine.
Neither Mazda or Toyota cars or washing machines have any personalities. They're all inanimate objects. Specic design elements may trigger certain emotional reantions in their owners, but that's due to the owner's personality not the object's. I've never understood the thought process of assigning human characteristics to inanimate objects.
You are obviously not a car guy.
whether or not you or I are "car guys" is a facet of OUR personality, and whether a car matches up to what we are looking for is what triggers your response, it isn't the "personality" of the car, it's the design, styling, and functionality of the object. Maybe just semantics, but criticizing a car for having "no personality" really makes no sense to me, it's more accurate to say the car doesn't meet your priorities and expectations of what a good car should be. It's YOUR expectation not a fault of the car for not possessing a trait an object is incapable of having. And actually I am a car guy, with differing expectations and priorities than you. And even I have a personality☺
Originally Posted By: dlayman
Originally Posted By: Trav
A decent looking car for one thing. Toyota cars have as much personality as a washing machine.
Neither Mazda or Toyota cars or washing machines have any personalities. They're all inanimate objects. Specic design elements may trigger certain emotional reantions in their owners, but that's due to the owner's personality not the object's. I've never understood the thought process of assigning human characteristics to inanimate objects.
You are obviously not a car guy.
whether or not you or I are "car guys" is a facet of OUR personality, and whether a car matches up to what we are looking for is what triggers your response, it isn't the "personality" of the car, it's the design, styling, and functionality of the object. Maybe just semantics, but criticizing a car for having "no personality" really makes no sense to me, it's more accurate to say the car doesn't meet your priorities and expectations of what a good car should be. It's YOUR expectation not a fault of the car for not possessing a trait an object is incapable of having. And actually I am a car guy, with differing expectations and priorities than you. And even I have a personality☺
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Originally Posted By: dlayman
Originally Posted By: Trav
A decent looking car for one thing. Toyota cars have as much personality as a washing machine.
Neither Mazda or Toyota cars or washing machines have any personalities. They're all inanimate objects. Specic design elements may trigger certain emotional reantions in their owners, but that's due to the owner's personality not the object's. I've never understood the thought process of assigning human characteristics to inanimate objects.
If someone had to explain, you probably wouldn't understand LOL.
Originally Posted By: Trav
A decent looking car for one thing. Toyota cars have as much personality as a washing machine.
Neither Mazda or Toyota cars or washing machines have any personalities. They're all inanimate objects. Specic design elements may trigger certain emotional reantions in their owners, but that's due to the owner's personality not the object's. I've never understood the thought process of assigning human characteristics to inanimate objects.
If someone had to explain, you probably wouldn't understand LOL.
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Originally Posted By: Trav
A decent looking car for one thing. Toyota cars have as much personality as a washing machine.
True....seems they all have the same front end now....
Yeah, what's with the faux chickenwire grills?
Originally Posted By: Trav
A decent looking car for one thing. Toyota cars have as much personality as a washing machine.
True....seems they all have the same front end now....
Yeah, what's with the faux chickenwire grills?
Originally Posted By: Silverado12
Originally Posted By: dlayman
Originally Posted By: Trav
A decent looking car for one thing. Toyota cars have as much personality as a washing machine.
Neither Mazda or Toyota cars or washing machines have any personalities. They're all inanimate objects. Specic design elements may trigger certain emotional reantions in their owners, but that's due to the owner's personality not the object's. I've never understood the thought process of assigning human characteristics to inanimate objects.
If someone had to explain, you probably wouldn't understand LOL.
I understand just fine, the "lack of personality" refers to bland styling and mediocre driving dynamics, etc. Mazda or Jag or whatever might be better in those areas; they still don't have personalities. It's a pet peeve and a general concern of mine when people start blurring the lines between people and objects, and I don't think it's a healthy thing to do. Maybe just a difference in semantics. Or the scientist in me being bothered by incorrect technicalities.
Originally Posted By: dlayman
Originally Posted By: Trav
A decent looking car for one thing. Toyota cars have as much personality as a washing machine.
Neither Mazda or Toyota cars or washing machines have any personalities. They're all inanimate objects. Specic design elements may trigger certain emotional reantions in their owners, but that's due to the owner's personality not the object's. I've never understood the thought process of assigning human characteristics to inanimate objects.
If someone had to explain, you probably wouldn't understand LOL.
I understand just fine, the "lack of personality" refers to bland styling and mediocre driving dynamics, etc. Mazda or Jag or whatever might be better in those areas; they still don't have personalities. It's a pet peeve and a general concern of mine when people start blurring the lines between people and objects, and I don't think it's a healthy thing to do. Maybe just a difference in semantics. Or the scientist in me being bothered by incorrect technicalities.
Originally Posted By: Rolla07
I agree they may not be the best looking but they sure do a great job of being cheap to maintain and reliable. So I agree with Trav there, however I dont think its fair to say that because I buy a Toyota it makes me less of a car guy than someone who buys a BMW or Mercedes.Sure I'd love to buy a great looking car but at the end of the day I need to consider more than just looks. I know a few people who bought for looks and now regret it due to maintenance costs etc. I dont have tons of cash lying around to fix a great looking car, so i need to make a smart decision with my money. Personally I dont find any car is that great looking unless I wana go well past 50k for a ride. We all would love to have ferraris, and lambos, but they arent affordable or logical, so if it makes me less of a car guy for thinking with my hard earned cash, than so be it.
OP, I doubt Mazda would join with Toyota, i doubt Toyota would want to invest in them.
Of course you can be a car guy regardless what you drive. that comment was in response to they are just inanimate objects with no personality.
We all know that's true, the car is not a living thing but to car guys cars they have a distinct personality.
I have owned a couple of real evil bastar.s in my time. LOL
I agree they may not be the best looking but they sure do a great job of being cheap to maintain and reliable. So I agree with Trav there, however I dont think its fair to say that because I buy a Toyota it makes me less of a car guy than someone who buys a BMW or Mercedes.Sure I'd love to buy a great looking car but at the end of the day I need to consider more than just looks. I know a few people who bought for looks and now regret it due to maintenance costs etc. I dont have tons of cash lying around to fix a great looking car, so i need to make a smart decision with my money. Personally I dont find any car is that great looking unless I wana go well past 50k for a ride. We all would love to have ferraris, and lambos, but they arent affordable or logical, so if it makes me less of a car guy for thinking with my hard earned cash, than so be it.
OP, I doubt Mazda would join with Toyota, i doubt Toyota would want to invest in them.
Of course you can be a car guy regardless what you drive. that comment was in response to they are just inanimate objects with no personality.
We all know that's true, the car is not a living thing but to car guys cars they have a distinct personality.
I have owned a couple of real evil bastar.s in my time. LOL
DLayman,
I'd probably agree with you at least a good part of the way but you're never gonna get love from people who invoke the word "appliance" as the main differentiator between the cars.
You don't need to be a "car guy" to figure out that the responses will often resemble a fanboy circle jerk if the sportier handling of the Mazda is used to define how much "better" buying a 3 is than a Corolla. It might depend on what kind of "car guy" you are to make one or the other a better choice. A guy owning a garage, building customs, and buying a Corolla is an anomaly that might make someone here's brain hurt.
I wouldn't be presumptuous enough the tell someone they're not a car guy based on a post saying that they don't like to "anthropomorphize" the styling of cars as an indicator of x....I get it...just watch out for the said circle jerk in response to something that heady on here.
I'd probably agree with you at least a good part of the way but you're never gonna get love from people who invoke the word "appliance" as the main differentiator between the cars.
You don't need to be a "car guy" to figure out that the responses will often resemble a fanboy circle jerk if the sportier handling of the Mazda is used to define how much "better" buying a 3 is than a Corolla. It might depend on what kind of "car guy" you are to make one or the other a better choice. A guy owning a garage, building customs, and buying a Corolla is an anomaly that might make someone here's brain hurt.
I wouldn't be presumptuous enough the tell someone they're not a car guy based on a post saying that they don't like to "anthropomorphize" the styling of cars as an indicator of x....I get it...just watch out for the said circle jerk in response to something that heady on here.
Originally Posted By: dlayman
I understand just fine, the "lack of personality" refers to bland styling and mediocre driving dynamics, etc. Mazda or Jag or whatever might be better in those areas; they still don't have personalities. It's a pet peeve and a general concern of mine when people start blurring the lines between people and objects, and I don't think it's a healthy thing to do. Maybe just a difference in semantics. Or the scientist in me being bothered by incorrect technicalities.
Now i heard everything.
I swear some of these POS have a dark soul and were put on this earth for no other reason than to torment me. LOL
I understand just fine, the "lack of personality" refers to bland styling and mediocre driving dynamics, etc. Mazda or Jag or whatever might be better in those areas; they still don't have personalities. It's a pet peeve and a general concern of mine when people start blurring the lines between people and objects, and I don't think it's a healthy thing to do. Maybe just a difference in semantics. Or the scientist in me being bothered by incorrect technicalities.
Now i heard everything.
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